Stubbe's Bundesliga Corner

[WuDu]

41 minutes ago, Livertool said:

I agree with you, he won't or then he really is very awesome manager if he manages to first weld team up after that mutiny and on top of that fix style of play and results up to your standards...or should we say unrealistic expectations.

If Edin turns this dumpster fire around, then you can rename the stadium already to Edin-Arena. I simply don't see it.

43 minutes ago, Livertool said:

Ain't his agent so i don't know but with his CV i am sure there are lots of possibilities. Up to date no extension for Ancelotti so he might be gone next summer, what happens to Xavi if Barca fail to finish at top 4, ManU, Chelsea might be suicide but something draw players/managers to die in those teams every season.

 Better possibilities than the BVB? Where? What has Nagelsmann won outside Bayern? Has he coached outside Germany before? Sorry, but Xabi Alonso beats him easily when it comes to CV.

46 minutes ago, Livertool said:

Don't know how eager Nagel is coming to PL thou

Coaching Newcastle vs Dortmund is not even a question, are you kidding me? After the Euro, the timing would be perfect for him to join the club.

2 hours ago, jerry said:

Four wins, maybe one hiccup at Koeln, and if BVB prevail PSV Edin is staying. 

Its maybe mandela effect but i remember you were fan of #LetEdinCook. What gives? When this changed? RedBull was bad luck, without the card youre not losing, Ausgburg away always toughgame with Mainz team have mental block, Eintracht sometimes at home play like City, so a draw is also fine. Results are mostly very good. You have no team to expect 12-3-0 record. As for dire football you just cant control the game with Can in the middle and Hummels at the back. 

Remember when Germany got beaten 4-1 at home by Japan and Herr Flick showed up for the interview and also came up with "Japan is a very strong team...we have to accept that we're simply not better...I'm doing a great job!" Sorry, but Stuttgart played relegation this summer, sold their best players and is 7,5 points ahead of the BVB. They field players that were rejected by the BVB (Führich, Zagadou, Karazor), Bayern (Nübel, Stiller) and even Hertha (Mittelstädt).

This team did beat us twice in convincing fashion.

2 hours ago, jerry said:

Didnt he was announced as the savior who will stay for years? At Reddit [maybe not the best source but still one] you can see that majority of fanbase is giving Edin the middle finger. Its a bit too soon, and i really feel this wouldnt happen if not for the losing the title.

What changed for me was the performance and strategy of the team, especially when you consider the second game in Stuttgart in the Pokal. If you as the BVB show up against an almost relegated team, that did beat you just a few weeks ago and decide to play catenaccio, so be it, but then you need to bring it home and advance.

If you want to add players like Füllkrug and Sabitzer, so be it, but then you need to be successful with them.

Yes, Edin turned around two seasons, however this time he dug himself into the hole in the first place.

[Livertool]

10 hours ago, WuDu said:

What has Nagelsmann won outside Bayern? Has he coached outside Germany before? Sorry, but Xabi Alonso beats him easily when it comes to CV.

Didn't claim any of above, just said that with his CV there must be lot of teams that has short-listed Nagel as prospect if/when new manager needed.

Gotta say since you brought this up, i really don't get how Alonso beat Nagel if we compare VCs so far  

10 hours ago, WuDu said:

Coaching Newcastle vs Dortmund is not even a question, are you kidding me?

Never claimed this either, said that out of PL clubs Newcastle is my guess as most likely club for him to join if he would choose PL club.

 

[WuDu]

1 hour ago, Livertool said:

Gotta say since you brought this up, i really don't get how Alonso beat Nagel if we compare VCs so far  

Alonso won everything as a player, played for Pool, Real and Bayern and is now going through the Buli like a hot knife through butter. Nagelsmann saved Hoffenheim and led them to the UCL twice, his performance with RB was OKish but nothing special. He won his Buli title with Bayern which is nothing special.

Let's say Xabi Alonso really wins the league this season, then he'd be the first non-Bayern coach in 12 years to do so. He'd be the first non-Bayern/BVB coach in 15 years to do so.

Plus don't forget that Alonso has experience abroad as a player and a coach. Nagelsmann hasn't. B-b-b-b-but Kloppo also didn't coach outside the Bundesliga before joining Pool. That's right, but he won the Bundesliga twice and reached the UCL final with a young BVB team full of unknowns.

1 hour ago, Livertool said:

Never claimed this either, said that out of PL clubs Newcastle is my guess as most likely club for him to join if he would choose PL club.

Let me think, he could either move to England and coach a team like Newcastle and risk turning into the next Villas-Boas or join the BVB and turn a team around that has been dragged down by Watzlenskyy and Edin. If he wants to continue coaching club teams, Dortmund offers him the best opportunity for success. 

[jerry]

3 hours ago, WuDu said:

Let me think, he could either move to England and coach a team like Newcastle and risk turning into the next Villas-Boas or join the BVB and turn a team around that has been dragged down by Watzlenskyy and Edin. If he wants to continue coaching club teams, Dortmund offers him the best opportunity for success. 

There are two types of clubs. Not selling ones and the ones who sells. BVB is a selling one, maybe slightly ambitious but you can have anyone/anytime in your club if the price is right. You can have anyone in Ligue minus PSG, whole serie A is up for grabs now [few years ago Juve was not a selling one but they fooked themselves with CR7]. Also whole LaLiga minus Real and big maybe if Barcelona is not a selling club [we will see if Bayern will pull Araujo out of them]. Atletico is certainly a selling club [with some capabilities of retaining some players, but they will not refuse any 80mln offers].

Julien is now on the salary/hype level that he will only consider clubs that are not selling, period. There is no way he is even considering BVB now. When his stock go down hard, after i dont know, three big losses at Euro or next big club bottling then maybe. Now yours best bet is Glassner, Adolf, Baumgart, Fischer. I would stick with Terzic...

[Livertool]

7 hours ago, WuDu said:

Alonso won everything as a player, played for Pool, Real and Bayern and is now going through the Buli like a hot knife through butter. Nagelsmann saved Hoffenheim and led them to the UCL twice, his performance with RB was OKish but nothing special. He won his Buli title with Bayern which is nothing special.

Playing career is quite meaningless in this case except as door opener. Sure Nagel could have won buli every season but looking things realistcally he has done quite well every season from minimum of what was expected to positive surprises.

7 hours ago, WuDu said:

Let's say Xabi Alonso really wins the league

Lets not and stick to real life

Sure he has done excellent so far and i hope they will win but since this is his first major league club and first full season i wouldn't jump to conclusions yet.

7 hours ago, WuDu said:

If he wants to continue coaching club teams, Dortmund offers him the best opportunity for success. 

Sure?

On 12/19/2023 at 8:53 PM, Livertool said:

Are you up to win trophies with limited budget while playing entertaining football and incorporating youngsters who we can sell when they become good? If you said yes to all then 

 

[WuDu]

4 hours ago, jerry said:

Julien is now on the salary/hype level that he will only consider clubs that are not selling, period. There is no way he is even considering BVB now. When his stock go down hard, after i dont know, three big losses at Euro or next big club bottling then maybe. Now yours best bet is Glassner, Adolf, Baumgart, Fischer. I would stick with Terzic...

@jerry 1,5 years ago: Nagelsmann is not performing well, I could see him getting fired from Bayern.

Nagelsmann gets fired in surprising fashion, goes on holiday, takes over the NT with so-so results.

@jerry Now: Nagelsmann will only join the top-top clubs, anything else is beneath him.

36 minutes ago, Livertool said:

Playing career is quite meaningless in this case except as door opener. Sure Nagel could have won buli every season but looking things realistcally he has done quite well every season from minimum of what was expected to positive surprises.

I totally disagree here. In combination with coaching skills that's extremely important when dealing with these highly paid, high profile players you'll find at the top clubs. B-b-b-b-b-but Mourinho...Mourinho came to Chelsea having won the UCL AND the UEFA Cup with freaking Porto. 

Alonso has natural authority. Who would you rather listen to if you're being paid 15 M Euro a year?

This guy

or this guy?

 I rest my case!

46 minutes ago, Livertool said:

Sure?

Sure!

In case Edin gets fired down the road, the whole fanbase would be much more open to a person like Nagelsmann in contrast to two years ago. Implementing changes would be easier and given the team  right now, Nagelsmann would be the star of the club. Something he really wants to be.

Also, he's with Ms Wurzenberger now, meaning he's seperated/divorced from his wife. I'd assume it's much easier for him to see his kids when he stays in Germany. So it's either chilling with the National Team or the BVB.

[jerry]

8 minutes ago, WuDu said:

@jerry 1,5 years ago: Nagelsmann is not performing well, I could see him getting fired from Bayern.

Nagelsmann gets fired in surprising fashion, goes on holiday, takes over the NT with so-so results.

@jerry Now: Nagelsmann will only join the top-top clubs, anything else is beneath him.

I still think he is overrated and overhyped but he still didnt flopped anywhere and market knows it. He is still wanted by not-selling clubs so why would he want to go to BVB where he never knows when you will sell him someone or that you will not buy him no one above 20-30mln? Bayern was this freak thing that will never go against him and he still didnt fail with national team. Some abysmal Euro showing could hurt him, sure, but even after that i think PL clubs will line for him. If he bottle PL job then he is Villas Boas and he needs BVB 

[Livertool]

1 hour ago, WuDu said:

Who would you rather listen to if you're being paid 15 M Euro a year?

For 15M year i wouldn't care. Could Greta's voice coming from Biden's a-hole and it would be like angels singing to my ears

1 hour ago, WuDu said:

Alonso has natural authority

This is important but nothing to do with playing career, latter is quickly forgotten when they roll the sleeves and get to work.

2 hours ago, WuDu said:

Sure!

I just don't see it, he don't have lot to win joining BVB but much more to lose. While with Munchen there is expectations to win they also give funds to make it happen but different story with BVB. You don't say that Watzke asked Edin before season who he wants and he went for Sabitzer and Nmecha?

On top of that BVB has played ok, if not even well, towards expectations yet still fans/players want him out. To me it don't seem like paradise to any manager. I dare to claim that in Newcastle pressure would be easier and for sure more money to get players he wants instead of forced to settle with b-options.

1 hour ago, jerry said:

Some abysmal Euro showing could hurt him, sure, but even after that i think PL clubs will line for him

Yeah i don't think Euros will have negative effect on his status, no matter how bad it goes, for the short preparation and quite different job of coaching nt than taking care of club football.

[WuDu]

2 minutes ago, Livertool said:

For 15M year i wouldn't care. Could Greta's voice coming from Biden's a-hole and it would be like angels singing to my ears

I see, you follow the Eden Hazard school of thinking. OK, you'd suck everything up, knowing all the Jägermeister you can buy with that kind of money will drown all sorrows away. However if you're in the public eye and money doesn't really matter anymore, most players (not Eden Hazard) care more about respect, their legacy and reputation, I'd assume.

9 minutes ago, Livertool said:

This is important but nothing to do with playing career, latter is quickly forgotten when they roll the sleeves and get to work.

Of course it has. Remember when Niko Kovac coached Bayern and loanee James Rodriguez told him "This is not Frankfurt anymore" in the locker room?  Alonso played for top-notch clubs in 3 different countries, won close to everything. That's the type of reputation where he doesn't even have to tell someone "Do you know who I am?" 

Of course, this only works when he delivers as a coach and right now he does with Leverkusen.

19 minutes ago, Livertool said:

You don't say that Watzke asked Edin before season who he wants and he went for Sabitzer and Nmecha?

We know Edin asked for Modeste last year. Pretty sure Sabitzer and Fülle were his wishes as well. Nmecha had injury issues, he didn't play poorly. There are rumours that Edson Alvarez' wife was already looking for a house in Dortmund and Edin declined at the last second.

23 minutes ago, Livertool said:

On top of that BVB has played ok, if not even well, towards expectations

2 hours ago, jerry said:

I still think he is overrated and overhyped but he still didnt flopped anywhere and market knows it. He is still wanted by not-selling clubs so why would he want to go to BVB where he never knows when you will sell him someone or that you will not buy him no one above 20-30mln? 

Such as? Who are these non-selling clubs?

Bayern, PSG, Real, Barca (maybe), Shitty, ManU, Pool (maybe), Chelsea. That's it. Bayern fired him, Shitty and Pool are currently set. Chelsea and ManU is potential career suicide. So it's PSG, Real and Barca. I don't think Nagelsmann speaks fluent French/Spanish and his CV is not fancy enough for either of these 3 clubs. Real would go for Alonso, Barca usually recruits from Ajax/own players/Spain and PSG wouldn't work.

Again, price doesn't equal value. Remember when Mudryk was almost sold to Leverkusen for 20 M in the summer of 22? How did the 70 M pay off so far for Chelsea? How is Antony doing for his 100 M?  

Haaland, Bellingham, Sancho went to the BVB for 25 M or less. Scouting and developing these players is the way to go.

[jerry]

42 minutes ago, WuDu said:

Such as? Who are these non-selling clubs?

City,Manu,Newcastle,Arsenal,Liverpool,PSG,RealM,Bayern,Chelsea, Barca probably too but here they have very limited [as opposed to other mentioned here teams] aquiring power. Also probably Tottenham, cause i think Kane case you can count as a exceptional circumstance  If Villa retain Luiz then i would even count them. Suicide or not Newcastle/ManU/Chelsea [even if he decline the job once] are def after Julien and i like i said before i have this feeling that Klopp may resign when they sell Salah in the summer. Then Liverpool would be a fav, simply for ger-ger switcheroo. BVB hooking up with Julien would be like 20,50 at Unibet  

Then there's a chance he will have good Euro and stays till the World Cup and BVB end up with Herr Flick 

[Livertool]

9 hours ago, WuDu said:

see, you follow the Eden Hazard school of thinking. OK, you'd suck everything up, knowing all the Jägermeister you can buy with that kind of money will drown all sorrows away. However if you're in the public eye and money doesn't really matter anymore, most players (not Eden Hazard) care more about respect, their legacy and reputation, I'd assume.

This is turning into weirdland for so many reasons and any of it don't even matter as players don't choose managers. Well maybe they do in BVB but overall they don't.

9 hours ago, WuDu said:

"Do you know who I am?" 

Totally irrelevent again. Most managers, if not all, have some kind of player background from lowest divisions to highest level and every level had their failures and success as managers. Like said, player history is forgotten very fast.

9 hours ago, WuDu said:

We know Edin asked for Modeste last year. Pretty sure Sabitzer and Fülle were his wishes as well. Nmecha had injury issues, he didn't play poorly

So you believe he had platinum credit card to buy with and chose those players? Or did he get prepaid card with 60M loaded in it with a note "don't spend all on one player"

9 hours ago, WuDu said:

There are rumours

Yes there are, some say that Elvis is alive and living in Estonia but never felt need to go find him.

Edited December 23, 2023 by Livertool

[WuDu]

21 hours ago, jerry said:

City,Manu,Newcastle,Arsenal,Liverpool,PSG,RealM,Bayern,Chelsea, Barca probably too but here they have very limited [as opposed to other mentioned here teams] aquiring power. Also probably Tottenham, cause i think Kane case you can count as a exceptional circumstance  If Villa retain Luiz then i would even count them. Suicide or not Newcastle/ManU/Chelsea [even if he decline the job once] are def after Julien and i like i said before i have this feeling that Klopp may resign when they sell Salah in the summer. Then Liverpool would be a fav, simply for ger-ger switcheroo. BVB hooking up with Julien would be like 20,50 at Unibet  

So basically you're telling us that you believe that Nagelsmann is likely going to join a middle of the road EPL club in contrast to the BVB?

Not going to happen!

21 hours ago, jerry said:

Then there's a chance he will have good Euro

Like I mentioned before, I don't see Nagelsmann joining one of the top clubs outside Germany, meaning it's either coaching Germany (don't think so) or the BVB once Terzic gets kicked out.

 

[Livertool]

22 minutes ago, WuDu said:

or the BVB once Terzic gets kicked out.

I really don't get why you are so eager to get rid off him. He/BVB overachieved with winning the cl group. Next step PSV which is very doable. And if/when he does that will it be "let Edin cook" or "kick him out"?

[WuDu]

1 hour ago, Livertool said:

I really don't get why you are so eager to get rid off him. He/BVB overachieved with winning the cl group. Next step PSV which is very doable. And if/when he does that will it be "let Edin cook" or "kick him out"?

Long term strategy which is influenced by him has been a complete failure.

Matchday tactics have been a complete failure. The BVB has not won against a team in the top-6 of the table.

Parking the bus and hoping for a lucky goal aka Terrorzic-Ball has been a failure. Kobel is currently the top ranked goalie by kicker, without him the team would probably sit in 8th or 9th position.

I'm expecting a coherent approach when it comes to creating chances, playing defense and incorporating young players. I've seen that with Stuttgart and Leverkusen, I don't see that with Edin. #TeamMutiny

PSV has won everything this year in Holland. They lost once in the UCL vs Arsenal, Lens and Sevilla. This gives me Glasgow Rangers 2022 vibes. Easy opponent on paper but much tougher in reality.

 

[WuDu]

On 12/9/2023 at 11:38 AM, Livertool said:

Sure? ManU is selling him and i doubt they will accept your 5M offer for transfer and doubtful that Sancho will play for peanuts 

Well, well, well...

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/67468372

Like I mentioned before, a fair deal would be:

• BVB and ManU splitting Sancho's salary
• Sancho willing to take less from the BVB
• 1,5 year loan in January
• 15-20 M option to buy in the summer of 2025, depending on individual and team performance

ManU could unload a problem and save massive amounts of salary. The BVB would take a reasonable gamble on a talented player who's only about to turn 24 next spring. In case Sancho cares about playing football and wants to get his career back on track (likely outside the EPL), then Dortmund would be the best spot for him. In case he doesn't care, he should wait for the buyout and then move to Saudi-Arabia.  

But with my luck, Edin decides to buy Ridle Baku for 20 M Euros...

[Livertool]

As Sancho mainly had beef with ten Hag and there is big chance that Eric won't see year change as ManU manager, probably Sancho won't be leaving after all depending who will replace Eric and do he see use for him. I think they will give him another half season to show and if he still sucks then they sell him in summer. 

Loan don't make much sense cause they need money and one more player if they let him go and value of him atm is quite weak for lack of playing.

Best for Sancho would probly be return to Dortmund but players don't ofter get to choose especially when they are in bad situation as sancho is. You should have gone for Mason instead/too since you don't seem to have problem of moral posing like Nmecha move showed, now it is too late as big clubs interest has raised for good performance.

Big matches coming for ManU and ten Hag, Aston Villa home and Nottingham away before end of year and Tottenham home after that so lot of variables before Sancho's future is set.

 

[jerry]

I thought RB is leading the way for Sancho. They all but agreed the fee with ManU and try to only lower/subsidize the wages with the player. They losing Forsberg and he suppose to be replacement. So there's some competition...

Didnt hear about this one  It all depends in what shape Sancho is. I wouldnt bother, rarely those transfers work out. Someone could be stuck with lazy unmotivated player on astronomical wages, see Ndombele...

Edited December 25, 2023 by jerry

[WuDu]

9 hours ago, Livertool said:

Loan don't make much sense cause they need money and one more player if they let him go and value of him atm is quite weak for lack of playing.

Sancho's transfer value is low, thus ManU should try to sell him?

9 hours ago, Livertool said:

Best for Sancho would probly be return to Dortmund but players don't ofter get to choose especially when they are in bad situation as sancho is.

Hot take: Especially in a situation like Sancho currently finds himself in, he has all the negotiating power: He's getting paid insane amounts of money for chilling at home, while his transfer value diminishes with every month he's not playing. He won't get called up to the Euro anyway and he's made it obviously clear that he's a man of principle.

The only way a loan/transfer would work is if he agrees to it. And let's be honest, who knows what kind of shape he's in right now (physically and mentally). So the only way the BVB should agree to such a deal is if it's a very BVB friendly loan with an option to buy. No way in hell, we're bringing him back from the dead just for ManU to sell him in 18 months.

[Livertool]

12 hours ago, WuDu said:

Sancho's transfer value is low, thus ManU should try to sell him?

To minimize the damage. Reality is they overpaid and never get the money back. No matter if ten Hag gets sacked or not, they do need players themselves, especially if they let players go as their play is shit, dropped out of all competitions, is it now 4 matches without even making single goal. Something needs to be done to save the season and loaning out their high profile player helps little to none. Either getting some use for him or then getting at least some money out of him would help more.

13 hours ago, WuDu said:

He's getting paid insane amounts of money for chilling at home

I don't know him, might suite him just fine. Sitting home at full pay/going to work with less money...who knows what he prefers.

13 hours ago, WuDu said:

He won't get called up to the Euro anyway

Lightyears away from that atm.

13 hours ago, WuDu said:

And let's be honest, who knows what kind of shape he's in right now (physically and mentally). So the only way the BVB should agree to such a deal is if it's a very BVB friendly loan with an option to buy. No way in hell, we're bringing him back from the dead just for ManU to sell him in 18 months.

Yeah we don't know and even if he is in ok shape, how much could he help BVB? Haaland was big part why he played well last time, no quarantees he got chemistry with current squad or does he suite Edin's playbook. If all goes perfect he helps you to improve and BVB helps him to get mojo back, if he don't help you, he and ManU might find him sitting at your bench and that would be disaster for value and not optimal for either of party. If his value atm moment is lets say 20-25M, i don't see him topping 50M no matter how well he plays at BVB and giving your stingyness i don't see you paying that money for him. ManU did buy him when he was top of his game yet he couldn't help ManU, why would things be different this time if their plan is to give him to BVB just to get his mojo back.

In addition, Sancho can't play cl for you this season, looking at table atm there are no quarantees that you'll be playing cl next season at all, those are things too which he might consider if he wants to go on loan or transfer in general.

Maybe he'll join you, maybe not, what ever the case will be just saying that your perspective seems quite narrow with "BVB getting him cheap with option to buy" is best option for all.

Looking from ManU perspective best thing would be getting max value out of him as player for the big bucks they paid hence i believe he'll stay if ten Hag is sacked, they sell him straight of even with loss to get new player or max six months loan so they can reconsider situation at summer. Then again it is ManU we are talking about so who knows what they decide

[WuDu]

10 hours ago, Livertool said:

To minimize the damage. Reality is they overpaid and never get the money back. No matter if ten Hag gets sacked or not, they do need players themselves, especially if they let players go as their play is shit, dropped out of all competitions, is it now 4 matches without even making single goal. Something needs to be done to save the season and loaning out their high profile player helps little to none. Either getting some use for him or then getting at least some money out of him would help more.

Except that Sancho's market value is in the basement, especially considering his salary. No one outside Saudi-Arabia is going to pay him 20-25 M Euro a year, so Sancho can basically decide if/when he wants to leave. It doesn't matter if ManU can sell him to the likes of Galatasaray or Bergamo for 10 M or so, if these clubs simply cannot afford to pay his salary.

10 hours ago, Livertool said:

Yeah we don't know and even if he is in ok shape, how much could he help BVB? Haaland was big part why he played well last time, no quarantees he got chemistry with current squad or does he suite Edin's playbook. If all goes perfect he helps you to improve and BVB helps him to get mojo back, if he don't help you, he and ManU might find him sitting at your bench and that would be disaster for value and not optimal for either of party. If his value atm moment is lets say 20-25M.

As mentioned above, value is already in the basement at ManU, however ManU still has to pay him 50, 60 M Euros over the next 2,5 years. If he bombs at his next stop, it's safe to assume that his career at the very top might be over and he'll take the James Rodriguez/Paco Alcacer route.

For ManU, he's already been a monumental bust, however that doesn't mean that ManU shouldn't try to get back some of the 50-60 M they still have to pay him. If he's willing to lower his salary at the BVB in order to play football again (he won't do so for Manchester), then this could be a win-win-win for everybody involved considering the circumstances.

Would he help the BVB right now? Short term as a spark of the bench similar to what he did in early 18/19? Sure, why not? Cannot be worse than Haller or Moukoko. Edin and the BVB need to switch things up. Currently the only players on the roster with a similar skill set are Bynoe-Gittens and Duranville.

10 hours ago, Livertool said:

In addition, Sancho can't play cl for you this season, looking at table atm there are no quarantees that you'll be playing cl next season at all, those are things too which he might consider if he wants to go on loan or transfer in general.

OK boomer, this isn't the 1990s anymore. Get with the times, grandpa!

10 hours ago, Livertool said:

Looking from ManU perspective best thing would be getting max value out of him as player for the big bucks they paid hence i believe he'll stay if ten Hag is sacked, they sell him straight of even with loss to get new player or max six months loan so they can reconsider situation at summer. Then again it is ManU we are talking about so who knows what they decide

Not so sure about that, but the longer the bald fraud stays in office, the better.

[Livertool]

13 hours ago, WuDu said:

if these clubs simply cannot afford to pay his salary.

 

13 hours ago, WuDu said:

If he's willing to lower his salary at the BVB in order to play football again

Slightly contreversy there, he won't lower salary...except might do it for BVB

Naturaly he wants to hold on to his salary therefore staying would be best option for him and for ManU too. 

13 hours ago, WuDu said:

If he bombs at his next stop, it's safe to assume that his career at the very top might be over

Yup, hence it is quite a gamble for ManU to let him on loan. To get 20-25M out of him as tranfer now vs let him go on loan and if he does good for season or two his value might go up to 40-50M or then loan is bust and value drops even more. 

 

13 hours ago, WuDu said:

Currently the only players on the roster with a similar skill set are Bynoe-Gittens and Duranville.

And i assume you put your own guys ahead of loanee if performance is equal?

13 hours ago, WuDu said:

but the longer the bald fraud stays in office, the better.

Might have bought little more time for himself with that miraculous rise.

 

13 hours ago, WuDu said:

1990s anymore. Get with the times, grandpa!

Oh yeah, they changed it few years ago. I'm sovvyyy

Anyways, in month we'll be wiser. One thing is for sure, he ain't coming to Pool so he won't be my headache.

One thing i'm surprised little bit is that BVB hasn't shown any interest for younger Bellingham. Young, cheap(ish), talent runs in family, good performance in championship and if Jude enjoyed his time in Dortmund he probly could recommend you yet not even any rumours about it. Strange.

[WuDu]

8 hours ago, Livertool said:

Slightly contreversy there, he won't lower salary...except might do it for BVB

Sure, because the BVB won't pay him 20 M Euros. If he wants to play for the BVB, he has to reduce his salary demands by a lot. 

8 hours ago, Livertool said:

Yup, hence it is quite a gamble for ManU to let him on loan. To get 20-25M out of him as tranfer now vs let him go on loan and if he does good for season or two his value might go up to 40-50M or then loan is bust and value drops even more.

Except that the option to sell for 25 M now doesn't exist. OK, maybe in Saudi-Arabia. Sancho has gigantic bust potential. The alternatives are getting a loan deal done or keeping him on the squad, pay him the highest wages and lose even more value by doing so. A loan looks pretty attractive now, doesn't it?

8 hours ago, Livertool said:

And i assume you put your own guys ahead of loanee if performance is equal?

Similar skill set? Yes. Potential level of play? No. 

8 hours ago, Livertool said:

One thing i'm surprised little bit is that BVB hasn't shown any interest for younger Bellingham. Young, cheap(ish), talent runs in family, good performance in championship and if Jude enjoyed his time in Dortmund he probly could recommend you yet not even any rumours about it. Strange.

Jobe's is probably not good enough for the BVB.

[Livertool]

14 hours ago, WuDu said:

Except that the option to sell for 25 M now doesn't exist

BVB paid 20M when he was only teenager with potential, comparing to that 25M ain't that much.

Last season wasn't disaster for him, didn't do any favours for team but overall ok, certainly better than van de Beek who has been total bust for whole Manu era yet his loan contract has option of 11M transfer for Frankfurt. 

14 hours ago, WuDu said:

Jobe's is probably not good enough for the BVB.

Probly not yet but now it would be good time to buy and leave to Sunderland on loan if no use in own team. 

[WuDu]

29 minutes ago, Livertool said:

BVB paid 20M when he was only teenager with potential, comparing to that 25M ain't that much.

The BVB paid 8 M in 2017. The 20 M on tm includes Shitty's share when he went to ManU. Again, my hot take is that Sancho's transfer value, if you consider everything around him, is close to 0. It can work out if a lot of things come together, but these are big "ifs".

42 minutes ago, Livertool said:

Last season wasn't disaster for him, didn't do any favours for team but overall ok,

 Sure, had to take extended time off to deal with depression, didn't do anything in the EuroLeague and scored 6 goals in the EPL. 

45 minutes ago, Livertool said:

van de Beek who has been total bust for whole Manu era yet his loan contract has option of 11M transfer for Frankfurt. 

The last thing I heard was that Frankfurt only pays van de Beek 2 M Euros for the next half year and then has an option to buy. I don't follow the EPL and the Ajax run in the UCL was almost 5 years ago, so maybe 2 M is still too much. However with all the Kolo Muani millions they have left, it's a reasonable gamble.

51 minutes ago, Livertool said:

Probly not yet but now it would be good time to buy and leave to Sunderland on loan if no use in own team. 

Jobe was so often in Dortmund with his brother, if he were talented enough, the BVB would have signed him. But that's just my opinion.

Seems like U-17 WC MVP Paris Brunner is signing his pro contract with the club once he turns 18. The BVB is testing vs Alkmaar and Liege in early January, so it will be interesting to see if Edin makes some changes. I also get the feeling that we need Nmecha to come back as soon as possible.

[Livertool]

6 hours ago, WuDu said:

is close to 0

6 hours ago, WuDu said:

scored 6 goals in the EPL. 

Which was 3rd most in ManU and he only played 2/3 of season. Lets look at other players there with similar goals and passes yet they got big money transfer or considered having good/ok season.

Sancho 26 matches 6+3 vs

Havertz 35 m 7+1, Bowen 38 m 6+5, Sterling 28m 6+3, Mitoma 33m 7+5 etc so it wasn't really disastrous. Sure he had quite long dry seasons in there too but most of players have them time to time, expectations towards Sancho are just too high.