€500 Betting Freeroll

[Merenitsu]

rates are too unprofitable business for me. I set a limit of 1 euro. Last year's statistics show this just fine.🤣

[Merenitsu]

1 hour ago, Livertool said:

How? 

Earlier 4000€ per month paid in cash.

Now 2000€ paid with poker tickets and poker coaching 🤣

I must be missing something or you give REALLY high value to tickets and coaching?

coaching? 🤣 Will they teach software to be more supportive?🤣

[psrquack]

7 hours ago, Livertool said:

How? 

Earlier 4000€ per month paid in cash.

Now 2000€ paid with poker tickets and poker coaching 🤣

I must be missing something or you give REALLY high value to tickets and coaching?

As Mr. Tool said:

less frequency,

bigger player pool

restricted qualifier bets-previously all the sports you have offered, now only selected ones.

restriced qualifier period-previously 0-24 between 2 freerolls, now limited timeframe.

Where do you see the value @Jami-Unibet?😮

[Andy-Relax]

13 hours ago, psrquack said:

I like the refurbished terms and conditions.

"No alternative value will be offered for unused Summer Freeroll Festival ticket"

As I see the available markets for qualifier bets decreased, but in some cases (February) the pp increased, or summarized (4*500=2000) in January. I liked the previous format better.

 

Tickets were never exchanged for any alternates with the old promo so not sure why this was highlighted? Can't give you an alternate for something that costs nothing 🙂

1 hour ago, psrquack said:

As Mr. Tool said:

less frequency,

bigger player pool

restricted qualifier bets-previously all the sports you have offered, now only selected ones.

restriced qualifier period-previously 0-24 between 2 freerolls, now limited timeframe.

Where do you see the value @Jami-Unibet?😮

The value is there because it's better than no value at all 🙂

During the duration of the promotion 19,947,643 betting freeroll tickets were given out and in the first half of 2021 just over 4.5k unique players actually playing the freerolls with 45% of that 4.5k only playing the freeroll once. Even with some generous rounding up-to 10k unique players a year for 5 years, playing a rounded up average of 10 freerolls (from 4.85 for the first half of 2021) a year and then adding another 250k tickets on for good measure you're still looking at 750k of the 19.9 million tickets actually being used. That's 3.8%. If this was on any other product, the promotion would have stopped after the first few months.

It's a terrible conversion rate on a promotion that is, in part, supposed to be getting primarily sportsbook players to try out poker. It obviously works in theory the other way in getting primarily poker players to try sports betting as well but for players that were aware of the value they could just place a single minimum bet each time and be able to take advantage of the value for years. This means it's not really working the other way either and only benefiting a small % of players.

The idea behind the changes is that it should hopefully make this promotion do what it's supposed to to do much better. If the timeframe and the markets are smaller, it's easier for us to get the promotion included in emails and in areas of the main site where non-poker players will see it. That's good for you because the more of those players that get into poker, the more money there is for you to win. More cash tables, more players in the Hex pool, bigger MTT GTDs.  You don't win as much directly from the betting freeroll itself, but you do longer term from all the new players we hopefully attract.

This promotion isn't about giving regular players some extra value twice a week, it's about trying to get players to engage with a new product and get more poker players for you to play against. I've been a reason a lot of the freeroll changes have come about and It's never been about cost cutting or giving players less, it's about spending the budget we have smarter. A little short-term pain for long-term gain 🙂

[psrquack]

56 minutes ago, Andy-Unibet said:

Tickets were never exchanged for any alternates with the old promo so not sure why this was highlighted? Can't give you an alternate for something that costs nothing

Please read my post again. It's nothing about gaining something for nothing, but the highlighted text speaks about Summer Freeroll Festival tickets when the other part of terms of conditions are speaking about Betting freeroll tickets. I presume someone just updated an old terms and conditions leaving the old text in the new stipulations.

[psrquack]

1 hour ago, Andy-Unibet said:

 

The value is there because it's better than no value at all 🙂

 

Reducing the value, but there is a value because reduced value is better then nothing. I see a boiled frog effect here (transforming all the current promotions to maze of tickets in where there will be a value somewhere in the future not especially for you but someone somewhere will realize it).

You can check my account if you want, I was a rare user of those tournaments, but as I see the number of participants are doubled from the beginning and it was close to 500 per tournaments. Just compare this to you never have a notification in the main betting lobby(homepage)  that your bet gained you an entry to betting freeroll notification and think again if the 3,8 is good or not. I think it is a good number.

As I see you are writing in aspect of a poker player who ios sitting at the tables and waiting for the bettor fishes. I use many of your products, not poker only, mostly I'm the fish and don't spend so many times at poker tables that future value will cover the loss of the chance of playing this tourney.

You also think many bettor will start playing poker if they tasted some blood at the new freeroll. If you think so then why don't you give them an option exploring all the poker client and giving them general tickets instead of mayor tourney tickets? I also accept you have lost many of your mayor markets and thousend of rakes (Netherlands, Germany), and keeping the attention and sunday mayors alive costs a lot, but I think newbie bettors will enjoy their ride better if the whole poker client will open after the freeroll win not a shareware version. But you are an expert, maybe you know it better.

[Andy-Relax]

15 minutes ago, psrquack said:

Reducing the value, but there is a value because reduced value is better then nothing. I see a boiled frog effect here (transforming all the current promotions to maze of tickets in where there will be a value somewhere in the future not especially for you but someone somewhere will realize it).

You can check my account if you want, I was a rare user of those tournaments, but as I see the number of participants are doubled from the beginning and it was close to 500 per tournaments. Just compare this to you never have a notification in the main betting lobby(homepage)  that your bet gained you an entry to betting freeroll notification and think again if the 3,8 is good or not. I think it is a good number.

As I see you are writing in aspect of a poker player who ios sitting at the tables and waiting for the bettor fishes. I use many of your products, not poker only, mostly I'm the fish and don't spend so many times at poker tables that future value will cover the loss of the chance of playing this tourney.

You also think many bettor will start playing poker if they tasted some blood at the new freeroll. If you think so then why don't you give them an option exploring all the poker client and giving them general tickets instead of mayor tourney tickets? I also accept you have lost many of your mayor markets and thousend of rakes (Netherlands, Germany), and keeping the attention and sunday mayors alive costs a lot, but I think newbie bettors will enjoy their ride better if the whole poker client will open after the freeroll win not a shareware version. But you are an expert, maybe you know it better.

Your 2021 count for playing the Betting Freerolls is way above the average but that's not particularly hard to do when it's probably in the 5-10 range.

That's the player count for 2021. It's always going to grow in the winter months and in December specifically with Advent promotions. It would have also naturally taken a dip in 2020/21 as there were less sporting events to bet on because of Covid.

You've made an assumption we're always going to give out tournament tickets as rewards in these 🙂

"As I see you are writing in aspect of a poker player who ios sitting at the tables and waiting for the bettor fishes. I use many of your products, not poker only, mostly I'm the fish and don't spend so many times at poker tables that future value will cover the loss of the chance of playing this tourney."

I don't fully understand this statement. Are you saying that the money you could have won in the old freerolls allowed you to play other products and without it you wouldn't play those products?

 

[psrquack]

20 minutes ago, Andy-Unibet said:

Your 2021 count for playing the Betting Freerolls is way above the average but that's not particularly hard to do when it's probably in the 5-10 range.

 

 

Thanks for showing the graphs. When I was active betting freeroll player player pool was around 300, so it seems this is increasing very well.

I assume you are replacing all the cash giving products to ticket giving products, and betting freeroll was the last promo.😀

I have read you posts again, and still think you are watching the changes from a poker player's view(who want more fishes at table). I see it from a general product user's view, who like a promotion and changes won't help him. I prefer cash/general poker tickets, because I appreciate the freedom of choice what product I want to play many times out of poker offers. If you giving out Supernova tickets then I can't play a HexaPro from them.

[Livertool]

3 hours ago, Andy-Unibet said:

The value is there because it's better than no value at all

Does that work with your wage too if unibet wants to lower it? Take it away all together for month and then pay you less than before and andy is happy man for getting at least something again? 😀

Anyhow, ain't too passionate about if it runs or not and with what value but do you see that this new format is better for luring new players? Could the old format been promoted better with letting bettors actually know when they received freeroll ticket via onsite messqge for example? If someone don't play poker or read poker related promos, then most likely they never even knew about ticket.

[Andy-Relax]

44 minutes ago, psrquack said:

Thanks for showing the graphs. When I was active betting freeroll player player pool was around 300, so it seems this is increasing very well.

I assume you are replacing all the cash giving products to ticket giving products, and betting freeroll was the last promo.😀

I have read you posts again, and still think you are watching the changes from a poker player's view(who want more fishes at table). I see it from a general product user's view, who like a promotion and changes won't help him. I prefer cash/general poker tickets, because I appreciate the freedom of choice what product I want to play many times out of poker offers. If you giving out Supernova tickets then I can't play a HexaPro from them.

For freerolls that are either completely open or require a simple task (enter a password, place a bet, open the client etc.)to enter, then yes, cash payouts are not optimal so they probably won't exist again.

In an ideal world, yes you'd be able to use the prize on anything but we don't have the functionality to do that. If we could pay out bonus points then this promotion and something like the Welcome Freeroll would be perfect candidates for that. Also, as I mentioned before, in an ideal world, you'd never see this promotion in the first place. Just in the same way sportsbook might send a promotion to customers in a specific market, or casino might send a promo to customers that only play live casino, if we could, this promo would only go to (for example) Sportsbook players that have never opened the poker client before and after they played it a few times, they would also be excluded from being able to enter the freeroll. We simply can't do that for a whole host of reasons.

We're currently stuck with painting promotions with a wide brush and restrictive rewards. Sometimes they're going to appeal to you, sometimes they're not.

3 minutes ago, Livertool said:

Does that work with your wage too if unibet wants to lower it? Take it away all together for month and then pay you less than before and andy is happy man for getting at least something again? 😀

Anyhow, ain't too passionate about if it runs or not and with what value but do you see that this new format is better for luring new players? Could the old format been promoted better with letting bettors actually know when they received freeroll ticket via onsite messqge for example? If someone don't play poker or read poker related promos, then most likely they never even knew about ticket.

You're in the running for the worst analogy of 2022 with that one 🙂

In terms of getting new players, we'll know once we've run it. It can't be any worse than the old system according to the data so it'll either be just as bad and probably scrapped and replaced or it'll work better and we'll try to optimise it further.

We don't have the option to automatically send a OM whenever someone gets a ticket and even if we did, I think we'd annoy more players than we gained with twice weekly notifications about something they were not interested in and got by chance because they were betting anyway. I'm sure if we could have got more eyes on it more regularly some more players would have come in but for all the weeks where we couldn't get it included in an email sendout the only players really benefiting from it were poker players in the know. That's not really the point of the promotion.

Hopefully with the new version, every time we do this, players will be told about it via a communication of some sort so we get more eyeballs on poker.

[Livertool]

39 minutes ago, Andy-Unibet said:

You're in the running for the worst analogy of 2022 with that one 🙂

Strong contender in bad humour category too 🙃

40 minutes ago, Andy-Unibet said:

we'll know once we've run it

Oh, data science again. Plain common sense says that if some promo ain´t working like it is planned and then prices reduced and weakened, outcome won´t be better 😉 So now you know, cancel the test, send me the prices except poker coaching which can be given to merenitsu so he can debate poker hands with coach. That i want to see for comedy value 😛

47 minutes ago, Andy-Unibet said:

I think we'd annoy more players

Trust me, you do good job at it already. Friday used to be day when sometimes you could expect for some bonus if you had been playing more lately. No offers today but rg team sent patronizing message and i should send email how is my gambling doing. Nice reward, like i got nothing else to do 🤣 I could understand if deposits were huge but not with bit over grand in month. If you don´t want me to play more than certain amount, feel free to tell me so i won´t go above it and play at other sites were gambling still means gambling and not moral posing kumbayaa.

[Pionrj]

4 minutes ago, Livertool said:

If you don´t want me to play more than certain amount, feel free to tell me so i won´t go above it and play at other sites were gambling still means gambling and not moral posing kumbayaa.

I need to tell one thing related to this about another betting site I use a lot. They send a survey every now and then which blocks your betting if you don't answer it. It's part of their own "responsible gambling program". These days I lie the answers. I once answered truthfully to it and they gave me a 6 months ban. The question which lead to that was "Have you ever lied to anyone how much you lost or won". I even emailed them after I got the ban and explained that what would you do if your girlfriend asks how much did you bet on Eurovision song contest and you know it's almost twice as much as her monthly salary? Didn't help.

[Livertool]

@Pionrj

You may not want to share these stories here. I did couple years ago about reckless youth and account was frozen until rg team called me. Big brother is watching 🤫

[Pionrj]

9 minutes ago, Livertool said:

@Pionrj

You may not want to share these stories here. I did couple years ago about reckless youth and account was frozen until rg team called me. Big brother is watching 🤫

I hope that they have better things to do than frozing some marginal players account because he got a short ban to some other site years ago and told it in forum😅

[Stubbe-Unibet]

1 hour ago, Pionrj said:

I hope that they have better things to do than frozing some marginal players account because he got a short ban to some other site years ago and told it in forum😅

I think you've misunderstood responsible gambling, if you think it's about big sums only. And of course we can't ignore posts on here, if they indicate player is high risk 🙂 

2 hours ago, Livertool said:

Oh, data science again. Plain common sense says that if some promo ain´t working like it is planned and then prices reduced and weakened, outcome won´t be better 😉 So now you know, cancel the test, send me the prices except poker coaching which can be given to merenitsu so he can debate poker hands with coach. That i want to see for comedy value 😛

3 hours ago, Andy-Unibet said:

Might want to read Andy's posts again, cause the above makes no sense at all, if you've read what's written already 🙂 

[Pionrj]

43 minutes ago, Stubbe-Unibet said:

I think you've misunderstood responsible gambling, if you think it's about big sums only.

I think that you misunderstood the whole point of my message, if this is what you think I'm thinking. 

[Stubbe-Unibet]

24 minutes ago, Pionrj said:

I think that you misunderstood the whole point of my message, if this is what you think I'm thinking. 

I got the point, but you emphasized it was a marginal player, which really isn't the deciding factor. It's a common misconception - also on here - that it's mostly about big sums, so just wanted to clarify that part 🙂

I think it'd be totally fair with some kind of action being taken in this case, depending on player behavior and rg risk 

[Pionrj]

50 minutes ago, Stubbe-Unibet said:

I think it'd be totally fair with some kind of action being taken in this case, depending on player behavior and rg risk 

Now I'm not totally sure what are you referring to? Unibet taking actions because of a thing told in a forum which happened about 10 years ago or the company originally giving that ban/time out because their question was somewhat stupid and was answered truthfully? 

[Stubbe-Unibet]

1 hour ago, Pionrj said:

Now I'm not totally sure what are you referring to? Unibet taking actions because of a thing told in a forum which happened about 10 years ago or the company originally giving that ban/time out because their question was somewhat stupid and was answered truthfully? 

Us taking action on it; not so much in your case, but more in the case which Livertool referred to and in general. For any comment on here, which would indicate a high-risk behavior or past issues, I think it's totally fair that it can have consequences like a call with an RG agent and at the very least a manual account review. Not sure how it can ever be seen as a bad thing really. Sure, it can take 5-10 minutes of your time but surely that's better than potential issues just being ignored?

[Livertool]

4 hours ago, Stubbe-Unibet said:

Might want to read Andy's posts again, cause the above makes no sense at all, if you've read what's written already 🙂 

Alrighty then 😄

What did i miss then? That betting freerolls didn´t bring new players to poker like intended? But now you believe that making them run just once per month, decreasing value and removing cash prices will bring more players to try poker?

Turning price to uos tickets surely brings bit more action to uos satellites and main event cause players can´t run away with cash but otherwise i don´t see that changes brings more action. Feel free to post graphs april when test is done.

28 minutes ago, Stubbe-Unibet said:

Us taking action on it; not so much in your case, but more in the case which Livertool referred to and in general. For any comment on here, which would indicate a high-risk behavior or past issues, I think it's totally fair that it can have consequences like a call with an RG agent and at the very least a manual account review. Not sure how it can ever be seen as a bad thing really. Sure, it can take 5-10 minutes of your time but surely that's better than potential issues just being ignored?

Cmon, that story that i told back then happened years ago and i don´t think my account showed any signs of gambling issues.

And how does this go with your reasoning there? Few hours later when you sent me that rg query, you send me offers of freespins upon deposit. How well do you consider it goes with your worry about my gambling 🤣

And oh yeah, rg query questions? "Do you think you are playing responsible manner" and "how do you feel about your current gambling, money and time wise"

Those two questions are suppose detect if someone has issues with playing? I guess i have to reply them i am fine with my gambling and all is good again 😄 

This was the hit from other site that allowed me to spent some of it to your site too. No issues for me, so no need for you to make it issue either 🙂

 

 

[Ozzyholik]

I bet this one below, but still didn't get a ticket... 😞

 

[cris1285]

6 hours ago, Ozzyholik said:

I bet this one below, but still didn't get a ticket... 😞

 

Just read back @Ozzyholik, the betting freeroll is done for now. 

[Stubbe-Unibet]

11 hours ago, Livertool said:

Alrighty then 😄

What did i miss then? That betting freerolls didn´t bring new players to poker like intended? But now you believe that making them run just once per month, decreasing value and removing cash prices will bring more players to try poker?

Turning price to uos tickets surely brings bit more action to uos satellites and main event cause players can´t run away with cash but otherwise i don´t see that changes brings more action. Feel free to post graphs april when test is done.

See post by Andy below 🙂

It's not about getting as many players as possible in the tournaments. It's about getting the right players. The new setup should accomplish this to a greater extent.

On 1/14/2022 at 9:57 AM, Andy-Unibet said:

Tickets were never exchanged for any alternates with the old promo so not sure why this was highlighted? Can't give you an alternate for something that costs nothing 🙂

The value is there because it's better than no value at all 🙂

During the duration of the promotion 19,947,643 betting freeroll tickets were given out and in the first half of 2021 just over 4.5k unique players actually playing the freerolls with 45% of that 4.5k only playing the freeroll once. Even with some generous rounding up-to 10k unique players a year for 5 years, playing a rounded up average of 10 freerolls (from 4.85 for the first half of 2021) a year and then adding another 250k tickets on for good measure you're still looking at 750k of the 19.9 million tickets actually being used. That's 3.8%. If this was on any other product, the promotion would have stopped after the first few months.

It's a terrible conversion rate on a promotion that is, in part, supposed to be getting primarily sportsbook players to try out poker. It obviously works in theory the other way in getting primarily poker players to try sports betting as well but for players that were aware of the value they could just place a single minimum bet each time and be able to take advantage of the value for years. This means it's not really working the other way either and only benefiting a small % of players.

The idea behind the changes is that it should hopefully make this promotion do what it's supposed to to do much better. If the timeframe and the markets are smaller, it's easier for us to get the promotion included in emails and in areas of the main site where non-poker players will see it. That's good for you because the more of those players that get into poker, the more money there is for you to win. More cash tables, more players in the Hex pool, bigger MTT GTDs.  You don't win as much directly from the betting freeroll itself, but you do longer term from all the new players we hopefully attract.

This promotion isn't about giving regular players some extra value twice a week, it's about trying to get players to engage with a new product and get more poker players for you to play against. I've been a reason a lot of the freeroll changes have come about and It's never been about cost cutting or giving players less, it's about spending the budget we have smarter. A little short-term pain for long-term gain 🙂

 

[Livertool]

9 minutes ago, Stubbe-Unibet said:

See post by Andy below 🙂

It's not about getting as many players as possible in the tournaments. It's about getting the right players. The new setup should accomplish this to a greater extent.

 

Aka new players, right? And if so, wasn´t that what i said too?

21 hours ago, Livertool said:

Anyhow, ain't too passionate about if it runs or not and with what value but do you see that this new format is better for luring new players? Could the old format been promoted better with letting bettors actually know when they received freeroll ticket via onsite messqge for example? If someone don't play poker or read poker related promos, then most likely they never even knew about ticket.

So if nothing new is done with letting bettors know that they got ticket for freeroll, how can it lure new players if they still don´t know about ticket received? And if you add some new notification of some kind now, couldn´t that be tried with old betting freerolls? Cause i got strong gut feeling that even new players would appreciate cash prices more than tickets. Another thing is that would they continue to play poker with that xtra cash or run away with it. If later, then tickets may be better for unibet poker but i got my doubts. All the same to me, time will tell....

 

 

[psrquack]

If you want to eager new players why don't you give them general tickets instead of restricted event tickets @Stubbe-Unibet?