Community League - Winter 2023

[Andy-Relax]

PKO1 - 78 buy-ins

1st: 115.33 (9 bounties)

2nd: 57.84 (7 bounties)

3rd: 43.40 (5 bounties)

 

PKO2 - 73 buy-ins

1st: 100.98 (8 bounties)

2nd: 69.14 (6 bounties)

3rd: 25.77 (2 bounties)

 

Hyper1 - 68 buy-ins

1st: 94.37

2nd: 66.06

3rd: 47.18

 

Hyper2 - 59 buy-ins

1st: 90.75

2nd: 64.83

3rd: 45.36

 

Payouts are going to be relative to the buy-ins, and the buy-ins are going to be dictated by the popularity of the format. If you want to maximise your chances of winning the LB, play all the events.

[SShcherbyna]

20 minutes ago, Andy-Unibet said:

If you want to maximise your chances of winning the LB, play all the events.

[Livertool]

1 hour ago, Andy-Unibet said:

If you want to maximise your chances of winning the LB

That was not what i was after but merely stated that pko 1st places will be higher than normal ones and i'll stand my ground until proven otherwise.

If you are so sure that there will be no difference, how about putting your money where your mouth is?

My goal is to win one and get baldie avatar so i can change "livertool" from boxer to that new avatar so how about lil wager? I say plo winners will win at least 5% average more than normal tourny winners with equal(ish) buyins and you say less. If i win i get bald avatar no matter if i win any of tournies and pliiz text in shirt will be changed to "the educator" and if i lose you can pick new avatar for "livertool". Just to mention there are few that i really despise like rainbow leftist, swedish turd and some others that i don't remember now.

This is your chance to put big mouth in his place, question is where are the balls 😁

[psrquack]

8 minutes ago, Livertool said:

This is your chance to put big mouth in his place, question is where are the balls 😁

Go get them Mr. Tool!🤠

[SShcherbyna]

36 minutes ago, Livertool said:

That was not what i was after but merely stated that pko 1st places will be higher than normal ones and i'll stand my ground until proven otherwise.

I'm not Andy, but I like to discuss). Therefore, I will try to prove the opposite. But my method is not perfect.
You say: First place PKO will have more money.
I say: The first place with more players in the tournament will have more money, regardless of type.
If we change 4 league tournaments to the same number of participants (for example 100), then we will have the following results:
PKO 1: 115.33/78*100=147.85
PKO 2: 100.98/73*100=138.32
Hyper 1: 94.37/68*100=138.77
Hyper 2: 90.75/59*100=153.81
As we can see, the difference between PKO and Hyper is at the level of error.
Therefore, within these 4 tournaments it is more correct to say "First place with more players in the tournament will have more money, regardless of type" than "First place PKO will have more money." But in practice, your statement and mine mostly do not conflict, since PKO is a more popular format.

Edited February 16, 2023 by SShcherbyna

[Andy-Relax]

1 hour ago, Livertool said:

That was not what i was after but merely stated that pko 1st places will be higher than normal ones and i'll stand my ground until proven otherwise.

If you are so sure that there will be no difference, how about putting your money where your mouth is?

My goal is to win one and get baldie avatar so i can change "livertool" from boxer to that new avatar so how about lil wager? I say plo winners will win at least 5% average more than normal tourny winners with equal(ish) buyins and you say less. If i win i get bald avatar no matter if i win any of tournies and pliiz text in shirt will be changed to "the educator" and if i lose you can pick new avatar for "livertool". Just to mention there are few that i really despise like rainbow leftist, swedish turd and some others that i don't remember now.

This is your chance to put big mouth in his place, question is where are the balls 😁

Deal.

If **PLO** winners, as you said, get 5% more than a turbo tournament does, you can have the avatar. Rather than me chose an avatar for you, I'd rather just block your community account for 1 month if I win 🙂

It'll probably never happen because PLO is not as popular as NLHE so there won't be buy-ins close enough to compare but given that the pay tables for PLO and NLHE non-bounty are identical I know they'll be exactly the same if the buy-ins are equal.

Edit: Technically they may still be different even if the total buy-ins are equal because the total unique players and re-entries will affect the payout distribution both in terms of value and positions paid.

[SShcherbyna]

PLO...

PKO...

everyone talks about their own 😁

Edited February 16, 2023 by SShcherbyna

[Andy-Relax]

Let's just put this one to bed

2023 average winnings for the top 3 in the two nightly €5 majors with exactly the same GTD. One PKO, one not. Sample is 38 instances of the Brawl and 39 of the Tower

 

Looked at Brawl/Tower results where the total prizepool was exactly the same:

€1130 prizepool

27/01 Tower - 1st got €235.58

06/02 Brawl - 1st got €235.89

 

€1165 prizepool

18/01 Brawl - 1st got €224.71

26/01 Brawl - 1st got €271.62

21/01 Tower - 1st got €242.88

11/02 Tower - 1st got €242.88

 

€1200 prizepool

09/01 Tower - 1st got €250.18

09/02 Brawl - 1st got €225.42

 

€1335 prizepool

30/01 Tower - 1st got €258.52

28/01 Brawl - 1st got €212.14

 

Edit: Realised these prizepools are before rake, so in reality, because the Tower is raked more, the actual prizepools will be smaller than the Brawl, skewing things in favour of non-PKO 1st place winning more even more.

 

[SShcherbyna]

Quote

 

16.02.2023

Dear Diary, I learned today that it is better not to argue with Andy…

 

 

[psrquack]

22 minutes ago, Andy-Unibet said:

Let's just put this one to bed

 

 

Now I'm a little bit confused. Are you and Mr. Tool arguing about Texas Hold'em games (PKO) or Texas Hold'em and Omaha Hold'em games(PLO)?🤔

[SShcherbyna]

Just now, psrquack said:

Now I'm a little bit confused. Are you and Mr. Tool arguing about Texas Hold'em games (PKO) or Texas Hold'em and Omaha Hold'em games(PLO)?🤔

The last page of this topic is a comedy of some kind.

I'm already crying! 

[GR1ZZL3R]

3 hours ago, Livertool said:

This is your chance to put big mouth in his place, question is where are the balls 😁

 

3 hours ago, psrquack said:

Go get them Mr. Tool!🤠

 

2 hours ago, Andy-Unibet said:

Deal.

 

And to think some people were worried about opening Discord up and it becoming a free for all. 

[Livertool]

2 hours ago, Andy-Unibet said:

Deal.

If **PLO** winners, as you said, get 5% more than a turbo tournament does, you can have the avatar.

So scared of being wrong that focusing on typo? 😎

I guess i better start to recruit some plo players then. Sleepy gave permission to modify his speech, just don't leave me hanging like him 🤣

"There is not single thing community can't do when we do it together as united members of community. Livertool bless you all 😇

 

1 hour ago, Andy-Unibet said:

2023 average winnings for the top 3 in the two nightly €5 majors with exactly the same GTD. One PKO, one not. Sample is 38 instances of the Brawl and 39 of the Tower

Not really the same as those have more players and bounties spread more than community ones and apparently brawl/ tower got different pricepool structure as last night other paid 26 places and other 20

[Livertool]

2 hours ago, Andy-Unibet said:

I'd rather just block your community account for 1 month if I win 🙂

That you can do even without deal and as long as you want to 😉

 

[Andy-Relax]

8 minutes ago, Livertool said:

Not really the same as those have more players and bounties spread more than community ones and apparently brawl/ tower got different pricepool structure as last night other paid 26 places and other 20

You're really struggling with this aren't you. 

Of course they have different payout structures. PKO payout tables pay basically the same to 1st and 2nd and there is only half the total prizepool to pay out to players, This affects the total number of players that get paid.

Looking at the two from last night in isolation, the Tower had a smaller prizepool, paid more players and 1st place still got more than 1st in the Brawl, €226.61 vs €225.42.

[Livertool]

5 minutes ago, Andy-Unibet said:

You're really struggling with this aren't you. 

Of course they have different payout structures. PKO payout tables pay basically the same to 1st and 2nd and there is only half the total prizepool to pay out to players, This affects the total number of players that get paid.

 

What i am struggling with? Do you even know what we are talking about or just seeking typos to grab?

Hint, here is my original post!!!!!!!

On 2/9/2023 at 2:16 PM, Livertool said:

 

What comes to prices, i don't mind wider payout and maybe pkos should be adjusted too vs normal payouts, winning one of pkos is huge advantage towards lb when it is based on money won

Didn't say which way they were supposed to be adjusted in order to have similar price for 1st place but apparently tower and brawl are pretty close when THEY HAVE DIFFERENT STRUCTURE OF PRICEPOOL, not same like community league has.

Later part of me saying pkos have advantage over normal ones is my gut feeling and after league we will see how it went. If i'm wrong then i'm wrong and i can admit it rather than whining like a biatch 😄

[Andy-Relax]

Just now, Livertool said:

Didn't say which way they were supposed to be adjusted in order to have similar price for 1st place but apparently tower and brawl are pretty close when THEY HAVE DIFFERENT STRUCTURE OF PRICEPOOL, not same like community league has.

The Community PKOs use the same payout table as the Brawl.

All the other community events use the same payout table as the Tower.

That's why I'm comparing them, because they're the same, just bigger GTD/fields.

 

Just to really hammer the point home though..

 

€330 prizepools from €300 GTD €5 tournaments

23/01 Turbo Classic - 88.14

11/02 Turbo Classic - 88.14

26/01 Turbo PKO - 105.83

02/02 Turbo PKO - 73.71

PKO avg 89.77

 

€375 prizepools from €300 GTD €5 tournaments

01/02 Turbo Classic - 95.88

13/01 Turbo PKO - 96.61

 

€405 prizepools from €300 GTD €5 tournaments

09/02 Turbo Classic - 103.55

02/01 Turbo PKO - 102.06

07/02 Turbo PKO - 106.29

14/02 Turbo PKO - 104.03

PKO avg 104.13

 

These tournaments are identical in structure (other than a 1m level time difference and one being PKO) and are the same as the community ones in terms of GTD and payout tables used, and as you can see the difference in 1st is negligible and the only variable is how well you play the PKO format. If you play it well and win more bounties, you deserve more money/points.

[SShcherbyna]

pressure vs arguments

[Livertool]

19 minutes ago, Andy-Unibet said:

The Community PKOs use the same payout table as the Brawl.

All the other community events use the same payout table as the Tower.

Ok, so they are not the same? That could have been usefull information instead of

On 2/9/2023 at 2:39 PM, Stubbe-Unibet said:

We could use the 17% structure we got 🙂 

 

On 2/9/2023 at 2:53 PM, Andy-Unibet said:

If money won includes bounties then there is little to no difference between the winnings.

9/2 Ten-Spot - €1,573.20 PP - Winner got €377.69

9/2 Cage - €1,532.72 PP - Winner got €135.14+€240.05 = €375.19

Swings might be a little higher in PKOs but it's the nature of the beast really.

 

On 2/10/2023 at 1:14 PM, SShcherbyna said:

Within the framework of one tournament, yes, it can happen if the two knockout leaders are HU. 

At a distance, the difference is unlikely to be very big.

 

8 hours ago, Stubbe-Unibet said:

Sorry, but you're wrong 😛 

You have to look at number of players. It's not equally easy to win a tournament with 50 and 60 runners.

The smallest PKO had 73 total buyins. The biggest hyper had 68. Amount won by first place in the two: 100.98 and 94.37. You'll need some probiotics for your gut:

NB of course bigger differences do happen due to the nature of PKO's and the payout structures being tiered has an impact as well.

 

7 hours ago, Andy-Unibet said:

PKO1 - 78 buy-ins

1st: 115.33 (9 bounties)

2nd: 57.84 (7 bounties)

3rd: 43.40 (5 bounties)

 

PKO2 - 73 buy-ins

1st: 100.98 (8 bounties)

2nd: 69.14 (6 bounties)

3rd: 25.77 (2 bounties)

 

Hyper1 - 68 buy-ins

1st: 94.37

2nd: 66.06

3rd: 47.18

 

Hyper2 - 59 buy-ins

1st: 90.75

2nd: 64.83

3rd: 45.36

 

Payouts are going to be relative to the buy-ins, and the buy-ins are going to be dictated by the popularity of the format. If you want to maximise your chances of winning the LB, play all the events.

 

4 hours ago, SShcherbyna said:

I'm not Andy, but I like to discuss). Therefore, I will try to prove the opposite. But my method is not perfect.
You say: First place PKO will have more money.
I say: The first place with more players in the tournament will have more money, regardless of type.
If we change 4 league tournaments to the same number of participants (for example 100), then we will have the following results:
PKO 1: 115.33/78*100=147.85
PKO 2: 100.98/73*100=138.32
Hyper 1: 94.37/68*100=138.77
Hyper 2: 90.75/59*100=153.81
As we can see, the difference between PKO and Hyper is at the level of error.
Therefore, within these 4 tournaments it is more correct to say "First place with more players in the tournament will have more money, regardless of type" than "First place PKO will have more money." But in practice, your statement and mine mostly do not conflict, since PKO is a more popular format.

 

4 hours ago, Andy-Unibet said:

Deal.

If **PLO** winners, as you said, get 5% more than a turbo tournament does, you can have the avatar. Rather than me chose an avatar for you, I'd rather just block your community account for 1 month if I win 🙂

It'll probably never happen because PLO is not as popular as NLHE so there won't be buy-ins close enough to compare but given that the pay tables for PLO and NLHE non-bounty are identical I know they'll be exactly the same if the buy-ins are equal.

Edit: Technically they may still be different even if the total buy-ins are equal because the total unique players and re-entries will affect the payout distribution both in terms of value and positions paid.

 

2 hours ago, Andy-Unibet said:

Let's just put this one to bed

2023 average winnings for the top 3 in the two nightly €5 majors with exactly the same GTD. One PKO, one not. Sample is 38 instances of the Brawl and 39 of the Tower

 

Looked at Brawl/Tower results where the total prizepool was exactly the same:

€1130 prizepool

27/01 Tower - 1st got €235.58

06/02 Brawl - 1st got €235.89

 

€1165 prizepool

18/01 Brawl - 1st got €224.71

26/01 Brawl - 1st got €271.62

21/01 Tower - 1st got €242.88

11/02 Tower - 1st got €242.88

 

€1200 prizepool

09/01 Tower - 1st got €250.18

09/02 Brawl - 1st got €225.42

 

€1335 prizepool

30/01 Tower - 1st got €258.52

28/01 Brawl - 1st got €212.14

 

Edit: Realised these prizepools are before rake, so in reality, because the Tower is raked more, the actual prizepools will be smaller than the Brawl, skewing things in favour of non-PKO 1st place winning more even more.

 

 

59 minutes ago, Andy-Unibet said:

You're really struggling with this aren't you. 

Of course they have different payout structures. PKO payout tables pay basically the same to 1st and 2nd and there is only half the total prizepool to pay out to players, This affects the total number of players that get paid.

Looking at the two from last night in isolation, the Tower had a smaller prizepool, paid more players and 1st place still got more than 1st in the Brawl, €226.61 vs €225.42.

which none gave impression that PKO payout structure is different from rest of community tournaments.

I guess this is solved then 😄

[Stubbe-Unibet]

[Purps]

Standings after 6/24 tournaments:

1.	GothMoth	115.33
2.	miziel	112.11
3.	ValueHeavy	100.98
4.	Estzen	94.83
5.	SickOldIMLOF	94.37
6.	Cyberdynes	81.27
7.	ScaryOne	76.24
8.	whereisrivaldo	74.31
9.	HonorTheGame	67.07
10.	Mpaasonen	57.83
11.	LIKE2FISH	48.49
12.	EatMoreNaga	48.45
13.	Messwithme92	47.18
14.	Trophies	43.40
15.	Rushbie	32.40
16.	JokerJames95	31.20
17.	Purps	29.16
18.	SShcherbyna	27.14
19.	comanimal	26.68
20.	pinki	25.16
21.	Janek	23.70
22.	MaGs	17.45
23.	pyoreapilkku	16.33
24.	Uni-best	15.24
25.	YZHABIN	15.04
26.	Mugmaster200	13.90
27.	Blessed94	13.73
28.	OmNomNom	7.51
29.	Turbo_Boy	7.19
30.	Fapumpa	5.63
31.	ImProSpin	3.75
31.	NICUS0R	3.75
33.	nightshopper	3.13
34.	GlenGyle	2.50
34.	MaecTpo	2.50
36.	Iceman	1.25
36.	fele007	1.25
36.	SeeWeed	1.25
36.	HensiePensie ( dc )	1.25
36.	Farseer	1.25
36.	0rdvl0	1.25

FULL LEADERBOARD

 

Saturday is a Turbo day 🙂

[Szokerk]

Szokerk

[Purps]

 

1st week out of the 3 in total is now in the bag. Here is how we stand at the end of it:

1.	Estzen	155.80
2.	GothMoth	115.33
3.	miziel	112.11
4.	SickOldIMLOF	107.57
5.	ValueHeavy	100.98
6.	ImProSpin	94.50
7.	Cyberdynes	81.27
8.	ScaryOne	76.24
9.	whereisrivaldo	74.31
10.	HonorTheGame	67.07
11.	EatMoreNaga	63.03
12.	SShcherbyna	59.07
13.	MPaasonen	57.83
14.	LIKE2FISH	48.49
15.	Messwithme92	47.18
16.	Trophies	43.40
17.	Rushbie	32.40
17.	tara771	32.40
19.	MaGs	31.97
20.	JokerJames95	31.20
21.	Purps	29.16
22.	comanimal	26.68
23.	pinki	25.16
24.	Janek	23.70
25.	HensiePensie ( dc )	18.67
26.	pyoreapilkku	16.33
27.	Noud79 ( dc )	16.20
28.	Uni-best	15.24
29.	YZHABIN	15.04
30.	Mugmaster200	13.90
31.	Blessed94	13.73
32.	HardGain	11.61
33.	OmNomNom	7.51
34.	Turbo_Boy	7.19
35.	Fapumpa	5.63
36.	NICUS0R	3.75
37.	nightshopper	3.13
38.	GlenGyle	2.50
38.	MaecTpo	2.50
40.	Iceman	1.25
40.	fele007	1.25
40.	SeeWeed	1.25
40.	Farseer	1.25
40.	0rdvl0	1.25

 FULL LEADERBOARD

 

 

@Missmeidell @Laurens123 and @anderlecht

Please leave a reply if you played and final tabled a community league event this evening 🙂

[HardGain]

great fun yesterday! My Kings didn't disaponted -> traditionaly cracked, but I still managed to made it to final table. Not bad for my 1st ever community league MTT, qualified from a flip 

[padureanu]

1. in the complete ranking with nickname COSTIS I have 37.10 points but in the first ranking they do not appear at all. why?

Edited February 21, 2023 by padureanu