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The abundance of information nowadays sure is why so many simply won't care to find ways to improve their game, and rather uses the method of blaming everything as rigged and even mildly successful players as cheaters or colluders with sites, meanwhile expecting that someone comes and delivers all the needed info on a silverplate. It's a lot easier to do that. When it gets mixed in the mind with things like ”100years of playing experience” fallacy, one simply refuses to understand how superfast the general online knowledge and awareness flew by the experince-edge of old-timers last decade, leaving nothing but stunned faces seeing only the vaporclouds from afterburners 😄

But it's a neverending ranting cycle that no-one can stop. Next persons stating the same things about riggedness should appear in a month or two, at the ending of sunny days, because usings things like forums search-function and seeking info only comes up to a conclusion of "same choir saying the same things over and over again."

Wonder why it's like that everywhere online 🤔

Must be somekind of worldwide secret society that recruits people to say certain things for profit, before they even turn legal age to play.

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   I think there's a huge point overlooked and that is, no matter which forum or book or YT series etc you look at one of the first things preached is that aggression is the way to go. I'm sure 90% of the players at lower stakes take this to heart and 80% read or watch no further. It's fine to raise if you're first to act, but not on every hand and not from every position, but they haven't learned that. The thing is once they're in the pot with half their stack they're not willing to let it go, neither is the caller, so one of them gets lucky and hits one or more cards they want, having set off with virtually nothing. After all it's €4 or €2 a lot of the time. I haven't played cash live yet but do as many hands go all the way to the river with not very much, I suspect not. 🤨

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56 minutes ago, GR1ZZL3R said:

   I think there's a huge point overlooked and that is, no matter which forum or book or YT series etc you look at one of the first things preached is that aggression is the way to go. I'm sure 90% of the players at lower stakes take this to heart and 80% read or watch no further. It's fine to raise if you're first to act, but not on every hand and not from every position, but they haven't learned that. The thing is once they're in the pot with half their stack they're not willing to let it go, neither is the caller, so one of them gets lucky and hits one or more cards they want, having set off with virtually nothing. After all it's €4 or €2 a lot of the time. I haven't played cash live yet but do as many hands go all the way to the river with not very much, I suspect not. 🤨

they have learned on the main sites, theres brazilian and russian micro stakes regs coming out of the walls on pokerstars and they mostly play semi-okish! unibet is a fucking goldmine and its a hell of a lot more spastic plays going on here btw ^^

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Would you say that the hexapro here is more profitable here than on pstars?  I've been doing well on pokerstars but have decided to try this out because of rakeback.  

My first impression is that there are alot of recreationals here, but anyway I'm not doing good...  haha...    

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On 6/15/2021 at 4:42 PM, Howlett1979 said:

I appreciate your response, even if you strongly disaprove of what I am writing.

I am mostly throwing around questions, but yes, my opinion is that there is too much "action" going on in here. Could I be wrong? Yes. Have I been given a solid reason to think otherwise? No. Do I want to believe that this is totaly random and fair? Yes!

Unibet is the one claiming that this is random. I am just asking you to show me some data to support it. Is that taking it too far? Am I unreasonable? The question seems to be how a player can check anything or prove/disprove anything when there are no stat-gathering? Is that not called a "catch 22"?

Another thing, I do not believe that there are rigging against anyone. We all sit here and are given one "golden egg" on the flop after another with a few hands in between, that suddenly turns rotten in the most incredible ways. In other words, the odds do not seem to count either in favor or against anyone. Its like a casino where you "almost" win with a very good hand, over and over, and then you suddenly win, but then something totaly insane happens around the corner and someone else gets the win by the act of God. And of course, then its always the losing player that has a bad mindset or just caught a bad beat. "Better luck next time and work on your game".

The problem is that there is not much to work on. According to math and odds the player did everything right, but the 5-10% against the hand just turned 100%... again. This is not just for me, I see the same nonsense other players go through at the tables. Combine this with all the "great hands" at once, and it becomes a complete chaos.

Endless times there are just one or two cards left in the stack to save a fool and he gets it, just to win over hands that are over 90% certain. And yes, it happens live also. My god, it happens! But online it happens way too often in my opinion. I have played poker for 25 years, so I am not talking from total ignorance.

And thats were you are most correct and really hit the nail on the head; My sample size is way to small to have seen so many superior combinations and outcomes around the tables. That means that all the "TV-moments" are too short in between. Its not often you see two sets of three of a kind and a flush at the same time... well, in real life, that is. 

So, are you saying that if I keep playing, all these "TV-moments" will tone down and this will overall become more realistic? Have I really just been too often at the wrong place, at the wrong time in here?

As to being a winning player... well, when odds and math stop making sense, I truly have to change my mindset and play like its a lottery like so many do in here. I am still trying not to, but maybe thats the way to do it? Just close my eyes and roll the dices...

To clearify my point of view, its just sad to see what poker has turned into online. Its a mess of ridicilous outcomes (you simply call them bad beats), to many "super-combinations" at once and terrible players that succeed way too much with terrible odds. In other words, it seems like the "good players" are good for the wrong reasons.

The worst thing, is that most of the real morons you meet online would have been eaten alive and had to go home early in real life, but online they win by the magic touch of the RNG-machine over and over. I wonder why that is? I am sure some youtube-video will explain it...

it's becoming clear by your use of insults like \ idiots, morons, etc. that you are one of "those" players who thinks that he is the god's gift and if he doesn't win against morons on line then the game must be fixed.   I've read enough, if you don't like on line poker, don't play, if you don't like Unibet, don't play there.   have a great day.

 

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On 7/9/2021 at 11:13 PM, kevanbt said:

it's becoming clear by your use of insults like \ idiots, morons, etc. that you are one of "those" players who thinks that he is the god's gift and if he doesn't win against morons on line then the game must be fixed.   I've read enough, if you don't like on line poker, don't play, if you don't like Unibet, don't play there.   have a great day.

 

Yes, players that go all-in 40-50 % of the time are not the smartest players in the world. Disagree?

You dont have to have any skill to do that, so me saying I am better than "all-in morons", or that they suck at poker, does not make me gods gift to anything.

My point was that online they seem to win more than they should. Seems like you did not read what I wrote. 

And, for the houndreth time, its not about winning or losing, its about the non-stop "TV-moments" going on... again and again and again...

Funny, by the way, that you only arrest me for insults.

 

This is from just a few hours of playing.

There are lots and lots more from this short period of time, but I came to a point where I thought that if this does not raise any eyebrowse, then noting will.

Of course, "this does not count, because my hand history is to small", but that is the most remarkable of all. You can actually gather all this nonsense in no-time.

So, the conclusion must be that this is most likely random, simply because you cant make this stuff up... 👌😁

Ps: Straights seem to be the RNG-speaciality. 😉 

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On 7/6/2021 at 9:55 PM, SeizedProfessional said:

i assume anyone that is complaining or questioning the legitimacy of the site and the runouts is going to be losing, winning players are going to be happy because they are winning and therefore wont write this kind of stuff. As for games being tougher and playing more aggresively these days it is because there is more information available such as : youtube content, online courses, solvers etc - its not a guessing game any more - we have definitive answers to a bunch of questions that we didnt 10-15 years ago. Peoples ranges are wider and thats why they turn up with more crazy hands in crazy spots - if you want to message me your email i can try to help you see what is really going on mate

No, I am actually not losing that much. I profit from these TV-moments also. I have changed lots of things in my game-style, but not by using math and odds. Those aspects of poker truly dont seem to count as much anymore after the digital RNG came along. 🙂

Yes, the game has changed after online-poker, but I think we see different changes. 

Thanks though, I will think about it, but the thing that is going on are in the pictures I posted above.

Again, they are gathered within just a few hours of playing and they are only a few examples I saved. To me, they show common and ordinary online-poker. I have never seen so many set-ups like these when playing live, even after days or weeks of playing. 🙂

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On 7/10/2021 at 10:42 PM, Howlett1979 said:

No, I am actually not losing that much. I profit from these TV-moments also. I have changed lots of things in my game-style, but not by using math and odds. Those aspects of poker truly dont seem to count as much anymore after the digital RNG came along. 🙂

Yes, the game has changed after online-poker, but I think we see different changes. 

Thanks though, I will think about it, but the thing that is going on are in the pictures I posted above.

Again, they are gathered within just a few hours of playing and they are only a few examples I saved. To me, they show common and ordinary online-poker. I have never seen so many set-ups like these when playing live, even after days or weeks of playing. 🙂

I think that you need to just accept that this is how the game is, whether you think the runouts are bogus or not - it’s not going to change because you posted some bad beat pictures on a forum. Being in a negative mindset of expecting bad things to happen will only hurt your winrate too you know? I think that  being able to play this ‘tv style’ poker online is pretty cool on some level right? At least it’s not dull! 

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On 7/19/2021 at 5:54 AM, SeizedProfessional said:

I think that you need to just accept that this is how the game is, whether you think the runouts are bogus or not - it’s not going to change because you posted some bad beat pictures on a forum. Being in a negative mindset of expecting bad things to happen will only hurt your winrate too you know? I think that  being able to play this ‘tv style’ poker online is pretty cool on some level right? At least it’s not dull! 

Maybe I am reading you incorrect, but this is the closest I have come to some sort of aknowledge that this is not ordinary poker. Its some sort of «casino-poker», or TV-poker, as you call it. We all see it, but those who have only played online thinks that this the real deal. Others know better, and that is why so many people react negative to itand leave it.

Those pictures are not bad beats, they show common online-poker as we all know it. Packed with «winning hands» to bet on. Its highly addictive and fun for those who can afford it, but in the long run it has ruined poker as a skill-game and people get hooked for the wrong reasons. And, with addiction comes denial, wich this forum has clearly illustrated. Sorry, but people defend it blindly in here.

Those few pictures are nothing. I have gathered stacks of them in just days of playing. Besides, every player in here knows what they see day after day. You call them «bad beats, others call them highly unlikely outcomes, and rightly so. One would assume that these TV-moments, unlikely as they are, would be appear further apart, but they do not.

Being positive and thinking you have a good hand, is what will make you go broke in here. The winners are those who bid like idiots and scare those who know the odds and math into folding. 

To me, this TV-poker is not fun, and mindset will not change anything. Its nothing more than pure gambling. I’d rather play the slot-machines. At least we know what they really are. I like poker as a skill game, not as a digital RNG-party where straights are more common than a top pair.

So, enjoy your TV-poker, and thanks for a kind response in the end, but I have had enough of this. And no, they will not change it. Why would they?

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Problem is, YOU cannot see the problems. YOU cannot see why things may happen against you. YOU cannot see, why the whole world is against YOU.
Starting to get a feeling where all problems may begin?
This kind of selfawareness usually lead to whole lot of fucking shit in life.
Really do hope, it's not that this time with you, big player and god of all randomness 🤠
Run out of likes, but i'm sure you can defend yourself against general irony, lol 🙂

 

 

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@Howlett1979 Now you've got me wondering about this "action packed" poker.

     When you say "This is from just a few hours of playing,"  how many hours? how many tables? how many hands? Two weeks ago I played a few hours 1 tabling, last week slightly more hours 2 tabling and rather than action packed tv moments I found it quite hard to keep myself awake. Long periods of inactivity followed by a couple of minutes of interest at a time. I assume when you're playing live you have more than 5 or 6 players at the table, but your first sample of hands look like 6 max tables, more players involved in more hands, and I think Hexas should be counted in a totally different bracket, there are so many more pots entered from the start and continued with that there are going to be many more "big" hands just from sheer weight of numbers. 

    Honestly picking just one hand at random AA was beaten by AKs, but how many times have you seen this exact hand happen? It looks like a lot of action but each hand is in isolation so have you any stats for each type, T7o being beaten by J9o?  I'm keeping some sort of count on my big hands on the cash tables, so far over about 2,200 hands on my current ticket. I would expect each big pocket pair about once every 220 hands so about 10 of each in my admittedly very small sample size.

AA:    8-1

KK:    3-0

QQ:  14-0

JJ:   10-2

TT:    9-1                                          

   48 premium pocket pairs out of an expected 50, winning 44-4, so maybe I'm running ahead, but I'm really not seeing anything out of line, while also watching hands I'm not involved in. Yes I do see AA beaten 4, 5 or even 6 times in a row, but each time with different players, so in their own particular stats one loss at a time, and yes my AA and KK and all big hands are involved in bad runs, but tend to swing round over the long run. 

   The debate continues. 🤔

 

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On 8/20/2021 at 5:21 PM, DoktorAvalanche said:

I'm just wondering why no-one has ever asked these questions on a poker forum before, like ever. 

What's that you say? They have? Oh well maybe i'll google that instead of....💤💤

Don't know why I bother to answer since you clearly has taken the role as the "smart-ass" on this forum. And how easy is'nt it to get your "likes" and "lol's" from the regular crowd. 💪 Good for you! Congrats! 🤗

But... you actually make a good point, even if you realize it or not.

Yes! This has been asked before. Thousands of time. Ever wondered why? There is a reason for it. Let it linger a bit in your head.

 

PS: Every other forum also have a user that comes in with his useless and boring "funny", sarcastic remarks just like yourself, so if you're missing something original in here, then start off by not acting as the usual internet-cliche' 💤💤...

Rather keep on enjoying the "Random Straight Generator" of online-poker! 👍

 

On 7/20/2021 at 4:12 AM, Rushbie said:

Problem is, YOU cannot see the problems. YOU cannot see why things may happen against you. YOU cannot see, why the whole world is against YOU.
Starting to get a feeling where all problems may begin?
This kind of selfawareness usually lead to whole lot of fucking shit in life.
Really do hope, it's not that this time with you, big player and god of all randomness 🤠
Run out of likes, but i'm sure you can defend yourself against general irony, lol 🙂

Again, and for the last time, where does it say that this happens against me? 

Despite your act as the forum-psychologist, you really dont pay much attention to what is actually written, do you? 

Talk about irony... 😉

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On 7/20/2021 at 3:23 AM, Howlett1979 said:

Its nothing more than pure gambling. I’d rather play the slot-machines

I kind of agree with you there. Maybe not with slots, or why not as you can win hell lot more than with poker, but with roulette for example. Bet black/red and you get genuinely approx 48% chance of double money instead of donks burying you as underdogs.

As long as they have donks teaching their muppets that going all in while being underdog is good playing and having giggle about it, it will never stop.

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We can probably agree that online-poker has mostly ruined poker as a skill game. If you combine this "straight-generator" they call RNG with thousands of all in-morons its just a mess...

The funny thing is that pro's are telling players on YouTube that straights are not common to get, so we should not chase after them. Well, in here you don't have to. They come all by them self, over and over and over... In other words, what happens in here are the complete opposite of what pro's are saying. Go figure.

I have never seen so many straights in my life as I have seen around these tables. I would have to play live for a whole year to see the same amount of straights as 12 hours online will provide. A straight seems far more common than three of a kind or even top pair. And why is that? "Cause the game is faster online"? Please... You have to be totally clueless to buy into this casino-poker crap. But, at least it gave me a lot of good laughs at first since when it became obvious and predictable after a while. To bad that lately it has just become boring and anoying, even when I profit from it.

No, keep enjoying this casino-gambling, cause that is what this is... pure, mindless gambling, and the only "skill" you need is to over-bid like a crazy idiot. The RNG will take care of the rest... probably by giving at least on of the players at the table a brilliant straight. 🤗 

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Alright. I wrote a whole chapter to respond and then deleted it. Ain't no convincing you. But I'll take a few points of your latest post. 

1 hour ago, Howlett1979 said:

We can probably agree that online-poker has mostly ruined poker as a skill game.

Yes and no. It has ruined the aspect of playing the player instead of relying on numbers.

 

1 hour ago, Howlett1979 said:

If you combine this "straight-generator" they call RNG with thousands of all in-morons its just a mess...

The thing we call "RNG" is RNG. As a company we don't care if you as an individual win or lose, we make the same rake/fee.

 

1 hour ago, Howlett1979 said:

The funny thing is that pro's are telling players on YouTube that straights are not common to get, so we should not chase after them. Well, in here you don't have to. They come all by them self, over and over and over... In other words, what happens in here are the complete opposite of what pro's are saying. Go figure.

If you wish, we can look at the odds of OESD and GSSD hitting but it still doesn't mean shit. 

 

1 hour ago, Howlett1979 said:

I have never seen so many straights in my life as I have seen around these tables.

Is this confirmation bias? How many hands have you played?

 

1 hour ago, Howlett1979 said:

I would have to play live for a whole year to see the same amount of straights as 12 hours online will provide.

This seems a bit excessive. Obviously when you see more hands you'll see more made hands but  I doubt you'll see more straights in 12h online than 356 days of live.

 

1 hour ago, Howlett1979 said:

A straight seems far more common than three of a kind or even top pair. And why is that? "Cause the game is faster online"?

This one seems correct. Something "seems" more common than something else as you're playing shitton more hands than you would live. 

 

1 hour ago, Howlett1979 said:

You have to be totally clueless to buy into this casino-poker crap. But, at least it gave me a lot of good laughs at first since when it became obvious and predictable after a while.

It's obvious and predictable, why don't you exploit it and make shitton of $$$?

 

1 hour ago, Howlett1979 said:

To bad that lately it has just become boring and anoying, even when I profit from it.

Why make a post like this when making money from alleged rigged/bad software?

 

1 hour ago, Howlett1979 said:

No, keep enjoying this casino-gambling, cause that is what this is... pure, mindless gambling, and the only "skill" you need is to over-bid like a crazy idiot. The RNG will take care of the rest... probably by giving at least on of the players at the table a brilliant straight. 🤗 

 So bad players win? Over-bid like a crazy idiot and you win? Then the bad players should be the winning players right? Or you mean if you're bad then the RNG will reward you? The same RNG that makes you (a good player) lose? The same RNG you call a mess?

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On 9/3/2021 at 4:14 AM, Jami-Unibet said:

Alright. I wrote a whole chapter to respond and then deleted it. Ain't no convincing you. But I'll take a few points of your latest post.

 

Convince me with what? So far, I have only heard "your wrong" and "you cant proove that this is not random"...

 

On 9/3/2021 at 4:14 AM, Jami-Unibet said:

Yes and no. It has ruined the aspect of playing the player instead of relying on numbers.

 

Are you saying that most online players rely on numbers? You must be joking. Online players have mostly learned to rely on heavy bidding and aggresion, regardless of their starting-hand. Overbid... overbid... overbid... all-in... all-in... all-in...

 

On 9/3/2021 at 4:14 AM, Jami-Unibet said:

The thing we call "RNG" is RNG. As a company we don't care if you as an individual win or lose, we make the same rake/fee.

 

Nobody has said that you care about the individual.

You care about getting people addicted, spending money and coming back over and over again. Seems like action-packed products where we all hit the numbers once in a while would be the way to do that, dont you think?

"Oh, how close that was!! I had the flush and he had the full house!! Can you believe it!?! Exciting!! Here we go again. Now I got three of a kind!. Maybe I can win!! Awww... he had the straight. That was close! Deal again! Yes! Now I won with a straight and he called all-in since he had top two pairs! I am winning! I rule at poker! Lets play more!!!"...

Could it be a reason for the fact that your RNG-poker is far more like a slot machine than a card game? 

But, as someone said "at least its not boring"...

 

On 9/3/2021 at 4:14 AM, Jami-Unibet said:

If you wish, we can look at the odds of OESD and GSSD hitting but it still doesn't mean shit. 

 

Does anyting that could show something in regards to your products not being fair mean shit? 

 

On 9/3/2021 at 4:14 AM, Jami-Unibet said:

Is this confirmation bias? How many hands have you played?

 

Just in here or total over 20+ years of playing? If you mean in here, don't you work at Unibet and can find that out?

I will show you how bias it is a little bit further down.

 

On 9/3/2021 at 4:14 AM, Jami-Unibet said:

This seems a bit excessive. Obviously when you see more hands you'll see more made hands but  I doubt you'll see more straights in 12h online than 356 days of live.

 

Its a figure of speach, but still not too far from the truth. I took the challenge and played a few hours each day for 3 days. You can see the result in the next post.

 

On 9/3/2021 at 4:14 AM, Jami-Unibet said:

This one seems correct. Something "seems" more common than something else as you're playing shitton more hands than you would live. 

 

Yes, it must be all in our heads... Please, disregard the countless amounts of experienced players that have already reacted to this nonsense worldwide. We are all crazy...

 

On 9/3/2021 at 4:14 AM, Jami-Unibet said:

It's obvious and predictable, why don't you exploit it and make shitton of $$$?

 

Yes, the action-packed casino-poker is mind-numbingly obvious, and its becoming predictable that whathever monsterhand someone have, the RNG (randomly, off course) will make sure that another player at your table will probably experience the same. 

This actually makes it impossible to rely on skill and numbers to play in here. Its works like a slot-machine, nothing else... And yes, I also win on the slots at times. We all do. And the more we play, the more money your company makes.

 

On 9/3/2021 at 4:14 AM, Jami-Unibet said:

Why make a post like this when making money from alleged rigged/bad software?

 

As I have said, it cant stand this nonsense even when I win. It hurts to see how ruined poker has become. 

 

On 9/3/2021 at 4:14 AM, Jami-Unibet said:

So bad players win? Over-bid like a crazy idiot and you win? Then the bad players should be the winning players right? Or you mean if you're bad then the RNG will reward you? The same RNG that makes you (a good player) lose? The same RNG you call a mess?

 

This casino-poker, combined with headless all-in morons that are clearly addicted and love this action-packed nonsense, makes it a mess.

Do I see bad players win more than they should? Yes. Is it luck whem they win and bad beats when the lose? Sorry, I suspect not.

In live poker these all-in morons would mostly lose. In here, they get results with their cards that are against all odds. Do I think that you favor certain players? No. I think you juice up the game all togheter. By doing this, no one can play their hands based on odds and math. As you said, you dont care who win or lose. You need people to keep playing, so you keep them entertained and not bored, and make them feel that winning feeling. If this was relied on skills and odds, too many would miss that winning feeling and walk away. In here, that will not happen. 

Instead, and way too often, you see three of a kind and two pairs being beaten by straights/flushes over and over, flushes taken out by houses and all other kinds of "winning-hands" all at once. The TV-moments just dont stop. And anyone that has played poker with a deck of cards know that this is not how the game works. That is why you often "play against the player, not his cards" when you play live, simply because straights and flushes do not come falling from the sky every 5 minutes, and especially not at the same time as one of the other players at you table happens to have three of a kind or top two-pairs. It happens once in a while, not over and over.

My point is, that is does not seem to matter if you are good or bad. Math and odds dont matter online. You leave it to the RGN and "role the dice" and the outcomes are beyond any reason and logic. But, at least its not boring...

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Now... I will leave you with this.

As I said, I played a few hours each day from 12-14 august when I was in corona-quaranteen after reading your reply.

You can check my hand history if there are doubts.

I played Hexapro for two simple reasons:

1. You get to see more hands, in that you can see more open cards on the table. 

2. There are fewer players, which should make it harder to see too many "TV-moments". 

There are countless folded hands in between, so I can only imagine what this would look like if all hands where played.

I focused mainly on the best TV-moments and the straights, but that does not mean that many flushes and other nonsense was absent. Its just limits to how many pictures I can, and bother, to post.

I just had to put in two pictures where a player takes bough me and the other player out in almost the exact same way: a 5 on the hand and two 5's on the table - twice within just a few hands. Not bad... 

As I have said, this nonsense seems to have no end, and the Random Straight Generator seems to work just fine.

I have never seen anything remotly similar when playing live, so no... I do not think for a minute that this is totally random. I can't. Sorry.

I have nothing more to add to this discussion, so think what you want about this and make your own opinion. To me, this is not real poker, but I am sure the usual crowd will defend it. They always do...

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On 9/15/2021 at 4:26 AM, Howlett1979 said:

I have nothing more to add to this discussion, so think what you want about this and make your own opinion. To me, this is not real poker, but I am sure the usual crowd will defend it. They always do...

Sounds good 🙂 Hope you find your poker-happiness elsewhere.

Still think it's a bit odd you don't make use of this obviously flawed RNG in your favor, when you have identified these "patterns" 🙂 

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