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   I certainly don't but I just have to find out.

   I still think that a house edge of 2.70% is not insurmountable but I don't know. As far as I can see there's only one true way to find out, and that's putting all the theories into practice. I can check systems and variance and money management and progressions and past spin records forever and ever, but until the money goes on the table it's still only theory and possibilities amd maybes. So lets go for a ride.

   I withdrew my balance from my major roulette playing site in a fit of pique the other day, not from losing but just annoyed that some free spins didn't materialise. However things somehow always look better after a good night's sleep and a bit of thinking so a quick update.

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   So I've just deposited £300 meaning I've made just over £2,100 in a little over 5 years, not an earthshaking amount but that's on a supposedly unbeatable game. That's also playing quite random sessions, sometimes every day for hours at a time over weeks and months, sometimes not playing for up to 3 months at a time. I've bet probably over 200 different methods, fallen in love with some but ultimately abandoning each and every one..............almost. There is one I keep coming back to time after time after flirting with others that showed promise but ultimately let me down. Yes, I am talking about roulette and not women.

   Time for some consistency so it's one session per day, win or lose, lasting on average less than half an hour, and if losing probably around £36, a win between £1 and £35. A losing session doesn't neccessarily mean an increase in stakes, that could be 2 or 3 sessions away, but not going down the "getting even at all costs" route. Single numbers only but occasionally more than one at a time. If I lose £300 then so be it, at least I'll know one way or another.

 

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And we're off and running, happy days. 

 

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10 hours ago, Merenitsu said:

sorry, but I think every casino strategy is a utopia.

You are more likely than not correct @Merenitsu but at least if I lose my original £300 in the next 6 days or 6 weeks or 6 months I'll have given it a go. Maybe 99% of casino and slot players know they will lose in the long run but they still play, willing to pay the price of entertainment, the other 1% thinking they can win, this time, maybe this time. I'm probably a mix of both, realistic but deluded!   🤮  🤑  🎰 

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16 minutes ago, GR1ZZL3R said:

You are more likely than not correct @Merenitsu but at least if I lose my original £300 in the next 6 days or 6 weeks or 6 months I'll have given it a go. Maybe 99% of casino and slot players know they will lose in the long run but they still play, willing to pay the price of entertainment, the other 1% thinking they can win, this time, maybe this time. I'm probably a mix of both, realistic but deluded!   🤮  🤑  🎰 

You look like don Quixote fighting windmills 😀

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Taken a small hit today, and as a no loss chasing policy is in place, accept it. 😢

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I enjoy following this one, despite knowing the answer to the question "who knows". I know 😉

You're right that the house advantage in roulette is small, so yes, you can make a profit without too much luck. However, you're always going to lose in the long run, unless you've got an infinite bankroll.

You're of course aware of this, I just don't want anyone to get the idea that there's a roulette system or strategy that'll make them a winning player. No such thing exists. You can be lucky and win, but there's no such thing as a player edge on roulette 🙂

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@Stubbe-Unibet I think we both "know."  😜

   To be honest I think I started this and the horse racing thread more in an attempt at engaging the community rather than a serious attempt at profit. There seems to be very little or in fact no discussion about selections, br management, tactics, reasons for doing what we do, or a whole host of related topics, just more and more of the type of threads I don't really want to read. 😢 There has been very little feedback to either thread so I'm just plodding along more for my own satisfaction than anything else. 

    In the long run we "know" we can't win but there's always that hope that the big win is just around the corner, far more likely on the slots which I don't play, but at heart I'm a grinder so am always looking long term. I play roulette and the horses because I can decide wether to bet or not, on that spin or that race, whereas you can't sit out the slots for 20 spins waiting for certain conditions. That may be fooling myself but at least I feel in charge, misguidedly or not. If, a big if I know, I continue to be lucky, I may even get far enough ahead to withstand the inevitable downswing of variance to some extent. I'm not a big gambler but I do read a lot on the subject and am quite aware of the, possibly, insurmountable odds I'm facing, but Ed Thorpe did it for Blackjack, you never know, GR1ZZL3R might one day do it for roulette, (or horseracing.) 🤔 Don't hold your breath. 🤣

    And of course if anyone ever tries to sell you a winning system on any gambling related topic....................

 

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@GR1ZZL3RI'm not familiar with Ed Thorpe and what he did but I've made a nice profit with it 10+ years ago when the gambling world was totally different. We got deposit bonuses all the time and table games had no capped stakes just a reduced % of your bet which effected roll over. I played only tables where was 2 or less players and tried to play with optimal strategy. 3-5 tabeling with 20-40€ stakes and a 100€ bonus was rolled over in less than 2h. I made like this over 3k during one weekend. Was over 70€/hour. E. Talking about Blackjack if it wasn't clear 😄

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@Pionrj I'm surprised you've not heard of Ed Thorpe with you being a blackjack player but he was the first to publish a book on how card counting could beat Blackjack, though not the first to come up with the concept. The casinos in America were so worried by the increase in players that they brought in countermeasures, 2, 4 and even 6 decks, more shuffles, only playing half the deck, etc. It wasn't long though before they realised they shouldn't have really worried, the players weren't using the counting system, they were only there because they knew the game could be beaten but weren't actually using the system! That tells you a lot about gamblers.🤣 

    

 

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3 hours ago, GR1ZZL3R said:

@Stubbe-Unibet I think we both "know."  😜

   To be honest I think I started this and the horse racing thread more in an attempt at engaging the community rather than a serious attempt at profit. There seems to be very little or in fact no discussion about selections, br management, tactics, reasons for doing what we do, or a whole host of related topics, just more and more of the type of threads I don't really want to read. 😢 There has been very little feedback to either thread so I'm just plodding along more for my own satisfaction than anything else. 

    In the long run we "know" we can't win but there's always that hope that the big win is just around the corner, far more likely on the slots which I don't play, but at heart I'm a grinder so am always looking long term. I play roulette and the horses because I can decide wether to bet or not, on that spin or that race, whereas you can't sit out the slots for 20 spins waiting for certain conditions. That may be fooling myself but at least I feel in charge, misguidedly or not. If, a big if I know, I continue to be lucky, I may even get far enough ahead to withstand the inevitable downswing of variance to some extent. I'm not a big gambler but I do read a lot on the subject and am quite aware of the, possibly, insurmountable odds I'm facing, but Ed Thorpe did it for Blackjack, you never know, GR1ZZL3R might one day do it for roulette, (or horseracing.) 🤔 Don't hold your breath. 🤣

    And of course if anyone ever tries to sell you a winning system on any gambling related topic....................

 

   run away GIF 

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Yeah I get that, and as I said, I do enjoy following this one and hope you'll crush it 😄  Also agree that we could use some more quality content on here, but I think it has to start at the top - with the community team - to some extent, and there're just not the resources for it today 😞 Hopefully something will happen in this area soon.

1 hour ago, Pionrj said:

@GR1ZZL3RI'm not familiar with Ed Thorpe and what he did but I've made a nice profit with it 10+ years ago when the gambling world was totally different. We got deposit bonuses all the time and table games had no capped stakes just a reduced % of your bet which effected roll over. I played only tables where was 2 or less players and tried to play with optimal strategy. 3-5 tabeling with 20-40€ stakes and a 100€ bonus was rolled over in less than 2h. I made like this over 3k during one weekend. Was over 70€/hour. E. Talking about Blackjack if it wasn't clear 😄

The good old days 🙂

Still possible to "abuse" welcome offers today, but has become a lot more difficult that's for sure. Bonuses also generally not as good as they used to be, with regards to wagering requirements and T&C.

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@Pionrj Did you use card counting, basic strategy or good old fashioned gut instinct? 🤔

    @Stubbe-Unibet I checked out a casino the other day with a 100% deposit bonus, up to 200 dollars or euros. Playthrough of bonus requirement before withdrawal was 35 times and table games, roulette blackjack etc only counted 10%. I reckoned playing roulette at £1 a spin It would be well after Christmas before I saw any release! I didn't deposit! 🤮

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@GR1ZZL3RNot possible to count cards with my IQ when multitabling. But with the optimal strategy and 100% bonus it was always +ev because of the minimal edge of house. 

 

E. And if I remember correctly wager was something like 10-15x for casino bonuses then. And table games wagered 30-75% of your stake depending on casino. And no max bet (excluding slots). At some point I just took 4 bonuses from different casinos, went into rulette and made a "sure bet" to double two of them. Then just roll over those two on blackjack. Like @Stubbe-Unibetsaid, it was the good old days. 

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I've "studied" a bit of card counting. I don't see real value on it if you don't play tables with 100+ stakes. I can remember wrong again but aint it something like 0,5-1% edge you can gain when casino uses 8+ decks? 

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