How RNG works?

[Stubbe-Unibet]

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@XY wrote:

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@Stubbe-Unibet wrote:

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@XY wrote:

I am afraid we will never know @psrquack .I asked the same question/s in the other thread.

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But why is it you want to know this? 

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For the same reason company keep it in secret...

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So because of dev resources and not wanting to engage in an endless discussion regarding details that don't matter?

[triceraatopp]

A simple solution could be to simply tell what company delivering the software and what organisations it is that "monitored frequently by independent player protection and standards organisations".

Since it says that "This RNG is independently tested and approved by Technical Systems Testing, which is a certified company registered in Canada." Fore games and casino and TST doesnt seem to exist anymore (but from my understanding gone up in GLI?) It would make sence that GLI then also is the security controller of the poker rng and if so their testing procces is easely downloadeble from their website.

https://gaminglabs.com/getting-started/technical-specifications-for-rng-testing/

Regarding why people would like to know and why it make sence for companys to share their formula i guess this article from the dawn of internet is still valid to provide that explanation.

https://www.datamation.com/entdev/article.php/616221/How-We-Learned-to-Cheat-at-Online-Poker-A-Study...

[Stubbe-Unibet]

Above info has been shared in the past on here, but I'm not sure about the GLI/TST involvement today, when it comes to poker - as you say, TST is/was part of GLI, but I don't believe they use that name anymore.

Still, I simply don't see the value of going into the details

[triceraatopp]

I think a reason is that it would make new players feel good and secure. Both new and regular players can feel angry and confused when they loose big spots and the less experience the player is the more likely it is that he/she dont understand how poker is a game of statistics and that variance is a fundamental part of it. 

When he/she then try to understand how this could happen they find out that the cards are dealt by an RNG but when they cant find information about how the RNG work they get susicious and uncomferteble, woundering if they are getting cheated bcs in their heads it doesnt make sence that they lost AA vs K4o. They want to make sure that this game is as secure as the provider claims and not just another froud like their partner/mum/conspiration thererist neightboor claims. 

Since unibet poker always claims to do everything for the benefit of the recreational players it do make sence to share information about the security of the product so the players can "investigate" for themselfes and see that it is secure and that they aint getting cheated. Then when they know that, they can keep playing the game and have fun.

[Stubbe-Unibet]

I strongly disagree
I do have a fair bit of experience discussing these things, and technical details will not convince anyone that the RNG works. It'll only result in more questions and a lot won't understand the details anyway. If someone thinks poker is rigged, they'll find the following points in pretty much all threads:
- The RNG is on the providers end and it's tested by at least one independent company
- In order to get the game licensed in local markets, the game(s) will usually have to be checked and approved by the local regulator
- The provider doesn't benefit from a rigged RNG in any way, and neither do we - we make money from the rake/fee and don't care who wins
- Poker makes up 2-3 % of our gross winnings revenue (and Relax obviously make quite a bit of money on casino games and bingo as well). Why on earth would we risk the entire business - if we were found to have offered a rigged poker game for years we'd very likely lose our licenses - by not having a proper RNG in place? Again, we don't really benefit from a RNG that doesn't work.

If someone reads the above and still believe the game is rigged against him/her, I can assure you some technical details won't help one bit. Why would they believe some details posted on here, if they don't believe in common sense and independent verification

So no, it doesn't make sense to post the details. All it'll do is waste time

[Nestabear]

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@Stubbe-Unibet wrote:
I strongly disagree
So no, it doesn't make sense to post the details. All it'll do is waste time

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Well said @Stubbe-Unibet !

[XY]

Ray-Unibet  and Jeppe-Unibet ,please close this thread...we conclude that RNG is RANDOM! 

[Argevolen]

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@Stubbe-Unibet wrote:

There's nothing more to share than what was shared in 2015

"Our exact RNG is an implementation detail that we do not wish to share, but it is a cryptographically secure pseudo random number generator that passes the statistical tests in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TestU01 . The RNG has also been verified by an outside company; eCogra ( https://www.ecogra.org), one of the largest and most recognized independent audit firm in the igaming industry, which continuously audits the software and RNG

In poker, entire deck is shuffled once before the hand starts, using a simple algorithm (Knuth Shuffle, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher%E2%80%93Yates_shuffle ), that produces an unbiased shuffle, given that the RNG it relies on is unbiased."

I heard that eCogra was founded  by two companies - Microgaming and 888.

Unibet was flagship room in Microgaming - long time.....

"Outside company"  - means that Unibet  is not assoсiated with eCogra (sponsorship and other)

As I right?

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[Stubbe-Unibet]

@Argevolen
- Not sure what crazy conspiracy theory you got brewing
- eCOGRA was founded by 3 different igaming companies if I remember correctly, but it's ownership changed many years ago - they obviously wanted to be completely independent given the nature of their business
- Unibet was part of the Microgaming poker network
- The RNG is not with us but the provider of the poker software (Relax gaming)
- eCogra is independent of Unibet (but again, the RNG is not with us, so your question in this regard doesn't really make sense)

[Argevolen]

That was just a question. No teory, no conspirasy! Poker players  are guided by the facts

Ty for answer