Unibet UK Tour schedule updated

[radge1]

Have to agree with the (Sorry Leo) overwhelmingly negative comments on the new schedule...as well as not being a fan of rebuy/add on I think the freeroll flips are a complete waste of space....why not have centroll's as with the UO instead? 👼

[pirahn]

They want you to spend a minimum €75 to win a €100 ticket.  I was wrong when i said it was cost control, they are trying to kill it. They probably want to move to doing a different tour in another country. 

l willl be using my 100 tickets at finals (as long as they are not turned into R/A). The remainder, i will request to exchange to anything else as i will no longer be playing the uk tour.

 

[MoreTBC]

Tickets are generic too when you don't win target ticket at the €4 level so you can take money out the system via exchanges

[jonny2192]

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@radge1 wrote:

Have to agree with the (Sorry Leo) overwhelmingly negative comments on the new schedule...as well as not being a fan of rebuy/add on I think the freeroll flips are a complete waste of space....why not have centroll's as with the UO instead? 👼

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Have to agree with the flip comment, all it does is creates players with no intrest in playing the event.Just adds lots of sat out players or players who will go for it and keep the cash from the final and not attend.

This is why you get so many sat out players in UO2s, Its the winners of freerolls.

 

[jonny2192]

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@pirahn wrote:

They want you to spend a minimum €75 to win a €100 ticket.  I was wrong when i said it was cost control, they are trying to kill it. They probably want to move to doing a different tour in another country. 

l willl be using my 100 tickets at finals (as long as they are not turned into R/A). The remainder, i will request to exchange to anything else as i will no longer be playing the uk tour.

 

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Just won a UK4 game, not sure if happy or sad about it, feel i should have gone for the 4mtt and changed to bonus points.

 

I only have a 200e UK roll at moment, not sure what to do with it?????

 

Think I will just extend tickets and hope some new plan can be found.

#SaveOurUkTour

[jonny2192]

another note.

Are all the sats really re-entry and not rebuy as you are paying rake again on rebuy/re-entry ?

[jonny2192]

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@Leo-Unibet wrote:

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@NeriPoker wrote:

I'm a bit disappointed that the daily 8:30 pm game has gone from 3 tickets down to 2.

 

This is the only game I can fit in my working week and to have my chances of moving up the satty ladder reduced isn't very good.

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@NeriPoker It will still pay out three tickets if we reach €300 in the pot. 

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Quick correction 330 in the pot unless we have missed an upside to all the changes and the games are now rake free :haha:

[MoreTBC]

The whole thing makes no sense anymore. There are 6x €25 being offered nightly which only covers 1.5 of the 3 €100 tickets offered. Surely we're going to get to a point where there will not be enough €25 tickets in the system for both sats to run nightly? I didn't see any of the €4 sats beat the GTD, the first €25 overlaid the first one had a lovely €12.50 booby prize that again removed money from the system and the 21:30 one didn't even run.

Can the money being saved from only running one final not be used to bump up GTDs at the lower levels? The bigger ticket GTD sats for other trees appear to be working well.

[jonny2192]

POSTED FROM 2+2 TO SHARE REMKS THOUGHTS.

Hi David/Leo,

I have to say I am utterly dissappointed in the new UK schedule. It seems like there were just some changes done without overthinking it at all and it seems like a complete mess. It looks like another thing were the Unibet Poker team is just changing/doing things without thinking it through. Another example is the big freeroll on a Sunday evening which caused server problems. This was not the first time a big freeroll caused issues, and if thinked through, you would not try it again, and definitely not on the 'big' Sunday evening.

From a company like Unibet, although I understand you have a small team, I expect that when there are major things changed, like the UK tour qualifiers now, atleast some people have given their thoughts about it. It seems like this hasn't happened (Maybe because everyone is busy, but then you shouldn't do major changes right now).

I get the fact that overlays are mostly a waste of money for Unibet and you don't want them. Therefore I understand that GTD's in UK tour tournaments have been cut. But the major problem lies in the fact now every qualifier is a rebuy/add-on. Personally I would really like qualifiers to have a freezeout format, but besides this, this format makes playing them annoying. I will show two screenshots, which hopefully make the basic problem clear: https://gyazo.com/1eadbeb4e27fa1b5e61916542ece8296
I ended up winning this one, I didn't have to rebuy but took the add-on. Imagine I would end 3rd. I would only get a 4MTT ticket back while having spent €8 and therefore make a loss. I think it is better to just award the rest of the prizemoney to number 3. Another important thing is by awarding MTT tickets, money will get out of the UK tour system and therefore the UK tour qualifiers would suffer from it. Best solution to both problems: Just make the qualifier a freezeout again(Then it wouldn't hurt to get my €4 back), and instead of giving back MTT tickets you should award people with UK tour tickets, so the money stays in the system.

Second screenshot: https://gyazo.com/3c0b809cf8a0b30690bc33aebebf508f
In this case, the most important thing is the rebuy/add-on. What if I had to Rebuy and have taken the add-on. I would then have spent €75 to win €100 That seems silly as well. Easiest solution: remove the R/A and make it a freezeout.

As said, it looks like no one thought this through beforehand, and it is a real disappointment for me. However I really like the live events, especially because it is great to see all the Unibet regs and the Unibet team, I don't know if I want to grind satties this way. Also the fact there is now only one final on Saturday, is a big setback IMO. If people have to work regularly that evening, they never/barely get a chance to play a final.

Although I have faith in the direction you guys want to take, it seems like you don't really thought this through. This might be, because you are all very busy, but if that is the case, you shouldn't do any major changes until you have time to think about them. 

For next time I hope with these kind of changes you contact some regular players beforehand, as I am sure all regulars ITT or on the community site, are really happy to share their thoughts and help with new ideas, to make the UK tour or other things more succesfull. After that, you could always decide to neglect our opinions, but I think good things could come from it.

For anyone that wants to copy/paste my post in the relevant community thread, feel free to do so and put my name under it. I really hope there will be a future for the UK tour, and I really hope the comment I saw in the community thread, ''I was wrong when I said it was cost control, they are trying to kill it'', is not true. However that seems ridiculous, I can understand that thought when a player sees this happening.

I hope there is a future for the tour,

Remk_95

[NeriPoker]

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@Leo-Unibet wrote:

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@NeriPoker wrote:

I'm a bit disappointed that the daily 8:30 pm game has gone from 3 tickets down to 2.

 

This is the only game I can fit in my working week and to have my chances of moving up the satty ladder reduced isn't very good.

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@NeriPoker It will still pay out three tickets if we reach €300 in the pot. 

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It will also pay out a million tickets if we reach....

Point is we are talking about guaranteed tickets put up by Unibet to attract players. 

I played the UK4 tonight at half 8. I forgot about the changes so imagine my shock at an 11 minute break. Really? What is the need for that? It's surely a glitch because it's so out of line with not only online poker but Unibet's  very own tournaments. 

Also I had an add on message pop up. So now a satellite with 3 minute blind levels has a rebuy AND an add on. That's a potential €12 game. Alot of recreational players can't afford that yet Unibet claim to be geared towards recreational players. Even the players who employ a good ticket strategy will be dented heavily with the rebuys and adds on. Speaking personally, I'm certainly not rolled for these games. 

I do feel that all options haven't been exhausted before these changes. Things could be improved in terms of promotion. I'm an admin for Ace High Poker group, in my opinion the #1 poker group on Facebook. With over 5k members and with a large portion being from the UK it would make sense to seek out promotional avenues in groups like this but the only times the UK tour has been mentioned in the group is when the regs who play the games post about it. 

Also the old system has allowed players who are no Phil Ivey at poker (I include myself in this!) to get to some well ran poker tournaments around the country with decent guarantees and meet some really nice people and be made a fuss of. There has been a nice community built up around this tour and the satellite system and I fear these changes will also destroy that. 

[jonny2192]

@NeriPoker

Im happy to help setup/run any acehigh promo you know my work in that area in the past and I am sure with all the players being vocal on this subject, that they will all help in promoting any such promo.

some positive points:-

2k added value to every UK tour in a UO package

community event with close to 1k in free tickets

you get to meet all the names you normally only see online

a chance to chat with the ambassadors

+ many more.

Surely between us we can get more people playing the sats. :)

[pirahn]

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@Leo-Unibet wrote:

@NeriPoker It will still pay out three tickets if we reach €300 in the pot. 

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@NeriPoker has been around for so long that not only did his hair fall out but his hair implants from rooneys leftovers also fell out. He is an admin on a poker forum with 5k members, maybe he can do the maths. If not i know what to get him for xmas.

[NeriPoker]

@jonny2192 Would be John's call at the end of the day if anything happened in the group but I do remember how excellent your promos were. A bit frustrating at times!

While I appreciate the positive notes they're all no good if I can no longer play the games to get to the events. 

 

[MetalWolf]

I havent tried these new sats yet but they sound pretty horrendous. Rebuys to win a 4x buyin ticket? Ok....

Agree that the other UK tour competeing directly against this has got off to a flyer and unless it's Unibet's intention to take their foot off the gas in the UK I personally think this structure will struggle to compete. Hope I'm wrong.  

[Omahahaha]

I played both the unibet Brighton events and the 'other' Brighton event. Whilst structures etc were almost identical the unibet ones were 1000 times more fun. The other one seemed to have a lot of travellers from around the UK. So my guess is that they have a more attractive satellite system - I don't play online with them so can't comment on it. - I did feel sorry for one player who late regged, waited 2 hours for a seat and I bust him out within his first 10 minutes.

But I think it important not to have more players than the casino can handle - nobody wants to wait 2 hours for a seat 

[MetalWolf]

I find the general feel of the other site a bit more 'clicky' and elitist where as Unibet feels built more for a good time and experience. Certainly true at the live events I have been to. Would be a shame to lose that community feel.

[Leo-Unibet]

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@pirahn wrote:

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@Leo-Unibet wrote:

@NeriPoker It will still pay out three tickets if we reach €300 in the pot. 

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@NeriPoker has been around for so long that not only did his hair fall out but his hair implants from rooneys leftovers also fell out. He is an admin on a poker forum with 5k members, maybe he can do the maths. If not i know what to get him for xmas.

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 @jonny2192  I guess your biggest concerns are us changing the finals to only once a week, we had to do that due to the indefensible high cost we had on the number of package winners we actually produced.

We don’t mind having some overlay if its justified, but in the case with the UK Tour the cost was way to high. Let’s give this some time, it’s going to be good. #SaveOurUkTour

 

@Darkangel7 As I now created the structure of the turnout of the qualifiers will much better reflect the player markets interest of us offering the opportunity to qualify online to UK Tour.

I know the most important single thing to have the money moving from freerolls all the way to packages is to get lost of the low value qualifiers to run, that they even start. That wasn’t the case before.

Only ~60% of the “Qualifier to Unibet UK Tour €4” actually started, so focus now is to get all those to start, guaranteeing a few tickets in all of them so we have a solid ground of thickets in the system and players will be able to move up the ladder. To stimulate those (Qualifier to Unibet UK Tour €4 3TIX and

Qualifier to Unibet UK Tour €4 5TIX) we give a way three €1 tickets 10 minutes before they start in freerolls, that’s just to make sure they start and players will have tickets to continue on higher buyins.

 

@radge1 It’s ok, I can take the heat . The thing with us now running the satellites with 1R1A is the only thing I to some extent can agree was a borderline decision, where I thought a lot before deciding that. That could turn out being a bad decision and I will if that’s the case change them, I’m not a man with principals that can’t change if it turns out being a bad decision. Time will tell!    

 

@pirahn I feel sorry you feel that way, the rebuys are optional for players that feel there’s a value in the particular tournament to use the opportunity to top up.

 

@MoreTBC would you agree with other posters that changing the qualifiers to freezeout would  help increasing the number of tickets produced, I know that we aren’t producing as many €25 tickets as needed to cover the 3*€100 tickets offered daily, but only 8 players needed to make both tournament start daily. Hopefully will some player want to buy in without a ticket, or we producing more €25-tickets then guaranteed.

 

@all We just started with this qualifier steps, if it will turn out not being good we adjust accordingly

            

 

 

 

   

      

    

  

[FeelsBadMan]

@Leo-Unibet I would be curious what the tournament players from the ambassadors think about this structure, Ian, Lappin, Daiva and particularly Dara since he was a sattie player, and they were pretty vocal about the changes stars made, would be interesting to see if they agree with the changes on unibet. 

Also with the fact that more satties are becoming rebuy-addon without fixing the major bugs with the rebuy addons on unibet, that not only leak money from the prizepools but are also exploitable.

Personally I loved the UK tours even when I didn't win in them, even more now that I had my biggest results in them, but at this point I would like the option to convert my smaller tickets back to 100's as I couldn't have foreseen such changes, and I'll play the finals until I'm out of tickets and that's that. Will continue to play the Unibet Open satellites, which have a good structure and don't overlay, and I hope they will stay like that and won't be ruined as well for the foreseeable future.

 

[jonny2192]

Poll to put peoples feelings in simple numbers.

http://www.strawpoll.me/14605891

 

For those putting "not intrested in UK tour" a small post saying why or what would convince you to play would be appreciated :)

[psrquack]

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@jonny2192 wrote:

 

 

For those putting "not intrested in UK tour" a small post saying why or what would convince you to play would be appreciated :)

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A Stargate or a high way train with less than 2 hours travelling time.😛

[jonny2192]

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@psrquack wrote:

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@jonny2192 wrote:

 

 

For those putting "not intrested in UK tour" a small post saying why or what would convince you to play would be appreciated :)

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A Stargate or a high way train with less than 2 hours travelling time.😛

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Thought you lived in Hungry earth not Hungry Alpha centurai.

Would love to meet you at a UK tour though :)

[ChapInAChair]

I really can't complain about changes being made to the UK Tour satties as I've made hundreds of pounds from overlay in the last two years, which I appreciate is unsustainable, but I'm absolutely certain that this is completely the wrong direction of travel. A R/A with 3 minute blinds is an unbeatable rake trap. The good players won't be interested in unbeatable games and I'd expect most recs to be put off by having a rebuy format.

I understand that a lot of the games don't start - and it frustrates me when this happens - but there are several players, many of whom have already contributed to this thread, who simply won't play these games any more. 60% is a low start rate but it will decrease significantly further if you take the regular players out of the equation.

If changes need to be made then why not get rid of three minute blinds and mirror the UO sats? The hyper format already makes the game screwy and swingy so why not switch to 5m+ and have a longer registration period. Even with only one ticket guaranteed I'd expect that you'll see at least four registered players over the course of the evening tournaments and guarantees could be altered accordingly. It would also give us the chance to play a game more like poker.

I also agree with changing the €4s to €5s, although I understand that there could be problems with tickets in the system. It's also never made sense to me why consolation prizes are MTT tickets. I much prefer it that way but if you need to keep equity within the same satty system then change them to UK Tour prizes.

[Merenitsu]

but I like the new system, maybe because I do not expect a high pair like some

[sgriff]

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@pirahn wrote:

@Leo-Unibet I understand and appreciate the need for cost control. However, It should be noted that another poker site has recently started almost the same tour with the same partners, therefore same venues. The same 220 buy in with 40k gtd. Same starting stacks and levels.Almost like for like. They have hit the ground running.My understanding is In Manchester they exceeded guarantee by more than 50% and in Brighton by 100%

The primary reason for pointing this out is it shows demand and size of market. What is more interesting is the number of unique online qualifiers is substantially higher than unibet. 

The regulars will probably remain loyal and thus cost control will be easily achieved. Where i take issue is there has been little progress in creating organic growth with the uk tour. Your addressing cost without addressing intrinsic and fundamental concerns thus leading to ever decreasing circles. It wont be long before Alea Casino hits a 100k prizepool with 220 buy in, just a shame it will not be with Unibet.

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I too am not happy with turning the satellites into a rake trap.  Once I've used my existing tickets up I can't see me trying to win a place via the super satellites either.  Potentially I'd buy in to the final qualifier direct as I like the UK tour, but given the regulars won't probably be at the live event then maybe that won't happen either.  Seems a bit weird to build a community and then destroy it.

@pirahn - I haven't had much time to play live poker this year so haven't been keeping my eyes open, especially as I was happy to use Unibet's UK & Open tours as my main targets.  Would you mind stating who the other poker site is, either here or via facebook message.  I did have a quick google but didn't come up with anything.

[Darkangel7]

I will tell you as its the site I started on and still love, but not as much as Unibet. But everyone is fickle  Try googling Sky poker tour. Smashed it. I went to see my friends in Manchester and there was an alternate list chock full on both day 1a and day 1b