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Yes if you survive on friday you get Saturday off. Technically you can fire another bullet then and take the highest stack through but that's a complete waste of money in most cases. Could take that day to play some GTO live cash games 😀 Idk if they still do community freerolls for the uk tour, they used to be on Sunday a few hours into day 2, sometimes earlier sometimes later, plenty of time to bust the main in case it happens.

@Stubbe-Unibet the information about hotel and casino is pretty useful for booking more nights in advance thanks for sharing that. Could we also get the tournament schedule soon? And I assume accommodations are like at most other stops 4 nights, right? I usually want to stay the entire festival (including DSO day, maybe 1 night before as well and play something as a warmup), so I need to book 1 or 2 nights somewhere else (preferably close), and with London being London I'd like to book quite a bit in advance 😃 . I noticed that the London festival dates are just 4 days 23-26may while Malta is 5 on 11-15 september

Good idea changing the name, it's funny as a joke for a while, but then you're stuck getting called a very awkward name without the funny context, by everyone, for eternity :speechless: . It's super annoying. I'd recommend not making a super long name the way lappin made at first, davidlappinpokerstreamtwitch or something like that :laugh:

Stop being silly and greedy about this, every tournament is a man tournament, that's the problem. Also it's like any other restricted promotion for any other demographic.

You understand that 11% rake is pretty inconsequential in an overlaying tournament right? It could be 1% and the prizes would still be the same. I do agree that they should adjust their rake structure in a lof of tournaments and at some cash game stakes tho, it is kinda silly. And I actually think the higher rake ended up costing them money in stuff like the turbo uk tour satties the way they were set up 2 years ago cause it made them unattractive for someone looking to play something, oh well, more money for us at the time cause of overlays. Not sure where you got the 10% rake structure in cash games tho, probably from that same site that scammed you. The last statement I do not understand, sorry, like I don't understand what you mean. Later Edit: I also don't like the fact that stuff is shrinking and getting smaller GTD's, it's one of the things that puzzles me about the removal of exchangers, why not just let people continue churning their money in them.

And that's true, you're still here, another site scammed you, they should be removed as affiliates for that. If they weren't removed then that's a bit messed up. There still is between 10 and 60% rakeback by default, generally on the lower side for tournament players like me and I assume you as well, still a lil bit of free moneyz.

@tableNOpopZZ I think the "luring people into" comment gives it a very negative connotation and is unfair towards unibet. The whole ticket exchange thing started as an exception a long time ago, done manually by the head of poker himself, a favor for a few loyal users on 2+2, because some of the rakeback rewards were irrelevant for them (they were missing out), and somehow that exception ended up being made for more and more people, and ended up extending to sattie tickets, which increased churn and decreased some overlays purely as a side effect so whatevs, they kept the exchanges around. Over time, the exchanges got so big that it even became unmanageable for support, a service from which we benefited from but it wasn't something they had to provide. It wasn't even an official promotion, just a favor for a few users that snowballed into something huge. Then the exchanger tournaments came about as a compromise solution, only because Jonny came up with the idea otherwise they would have been removed a long time ago. The more recent decision and the arguments to completely cancel them kinda puzzle me, but such is life, ultimately we did benefit from it while it was a thing, some with packages to live events, other just with a lot of poker played for a small initial investment, and some rakeback for free.

Yes @AdiYPC , you just turn up and you'll be on the list, you tell your name at the registration desk and you're in. The ticket is just a placeholder for the congratz you won this thing message, same for the unibet open.

@jerry I very much disagree that 4-25-100-250 would be an easier path, that would be a raketrap where very few people if any would manage to profit, and very little money would come into the system because who even cares to pay 100$ to qualify to a 250$, they'll just play the 250 directly. Just cause you win a 100 to a 250 more often than a 50 to a 250, doesn't mean that it's more profitable, cause you pay twice the money, and twice the rake, for less edge. And guarantees attract people, you need to attract people to have a selfsustaining ecosystem, you can't have one where the same 4 players play against each other and nobody else cause there's no worthwhile prize to be won.

Not really sure what you're trying to say, a 2$ rec can't afford to play qualifiers but they can afford to play qualifiers? I agree on the first part, it's a money sink that they're likely to never see again, and will decrease their normal playing budget. With the old system 2$ 5$ 10$ recs, even freerollers were qualifying without having to endanger their budget and without having to get a lottery like amount of lucky streak. Of course a 2$ rec can still play a few 2$ satties a week and get the UO experience on average once every 3-4 years

@Brocky Actually a bunch of very low and micro stakes players were regularly playing tournaments much higher than their current stakes (and much higher than their current skill) because of this system, so they were moving up, but it took time, also some were very very nitty with moving up *cough guy above me *cough while others were moving up with a few tickets. Also yeah overlays are great, if they continue I wouldn't mind at all in the position I'm in right now (other players, you know the ones I talked about in the previous paragraph, just wouldn't have let's say 700€ per quarter to qualify with a massive ROI due to the overlays, but fvk em, I'm too baller to care about some low stakes above average skill level recs 🆒 . ) , but, even from a completely selfish position, what happens if something overlays constantly for a long time? The site will stop donating that money at some point, and the game shrinks, and that's bad for everyone. Now this causing them to go busto, or even be in any way impactful to their business is obviously silly, so I'll agree with you on that one. Also, for now, they are generating more final packages than last year (the biggest factor being stuff actually being announced), so they're probably somewhat okay with subsidizing the finals a bit, so might even be seen as a success. For now.

@AdiYPC Well this isn't for the Unibet Open, but for the Unibet UK Tour. Patric posted the starting times in the UK Tour thread. The page on the website isn't done yet. The Milton Keynes dates are 15-17 March. Aspers Casino.

On the bright side, if we can find a place to set up some tents we will probably be the only people in Newcastle not there to watch large muscular men violently hugging eachother in spandex and short shorts. 40k just for us :cash::cash: :cash::cash:

oh wow hotel prices are bonkers that weekend, can we have a different weekend since it took so long to announce it, maybe still time to amned it? :haha: how about the weekend before the UO 😏

a full week before UO london, can't even merge the trips :teardrop: , may weather is nice tho so it's fine I guess

IMO more people paid can be a good format for tournaments with loads and loads of qualifiers, because for them the mincash in the target tournament can be tens of even hundreds of their normal buyins, so that's obviously nice for them to mincash and the regs get a sweetened playerpool with qualifiers that might get a bit of confidence to qualify to the event to compensate for the EV they lose in having more places paid. It also can be fine if the tournaments are gigantic, the top prizes are still very juicy. I feel like none of these apply to most tournaments on unibet which already suffers from the issue that the top prize just isn't attractive enough to make people register, both regs and recs. I will point out again the old 10€ sputnik when it had a 100€ first prize, very few people cared to register it. That is a more extreme example however and overall it probably won't have a massive impact on registrations, at least in the bigger field games. Personally I probably would have went with a more standard 15%. I would point out that this was a Unibet anomaly, this is not a normal payout structure for a re-entry and the mincash is usually not this big in a re-entry tournament, keep in mind that this is just a freezout that you can register again to. The reason why it was so big is because unibet doesn't count re-entries as new entries and they are counted more like rebuys. So purely in the case of high re-entry tournaments the pay structure is probably closer to normal now (not that I didn't like the old structure, it was really nice :D ). In rebuy/addons however making the mincashes too small obviously would be really crummy for everyone since they are essentially much bigger buyin events than what the entry would suggest, and I don't think many players would be that happy to win less than that. (re-entries might intuitively seem the same but they're not, the buyins aren't added to the current stack, they're not cumulative, so they don't increase the effective buyin, but I see how smaller prizes to win across the board could make people less likely to re-entry.) I don't think this is the end of the world, not a fan of it, and would have liked it more if the first conditions were met (*cough *cough copying other sites that meet those conditions without thinking of how unibet differs from it is kinda silly). The industry (1 site and everyone follows) is moving more and more to trying to make games unprofitable (not really the case here, they're still very profitable) but there's a reason why all sites aren't full of 90% of the field gets back their buyin MTT's, or sports bets with 1.01 odds, players won't orgasm constantly from winning tournaments for 1 buyin 90% of the time, at some point those games will become unattractive to almost anyone the more they move towards that trend.

@MDMApex It says the destination in the title of the final satellites and the description. Right now there are the following sattie finals. - 2000€ package 5 of them GTD on Sunday for London 250€ buyin (the Sinaia version of these is over) - 2200€ seat (no hotel no expenses) 1 GTD on Wednesday for the 2k Highroller in Sinaia 250€ buyin You can get 250€ Unibet Open tickets from any of the feeder satellites and you can use them for any final, for any stop before their expiration date. - 550€ seat 1GTD for the DSO in Sinaia (or any other DSO stop of your choosing) 25€ buyin, can't use UO tickets for this one,

Sweet new stops, already booked for Milton Keynes 🆗 I assume the Newcastle stop will be organized at Ian's place :haha:

@Dr_Yevskij You clearly made up your mind, I won't tell you that it isn't rigged, but I will suggest something. If you figured out that it's rigged and how it's rigged, just practice what you preach, do all the silly moves like idk calling allin 100BB with A3, stacking off with J9, hell mix in a 72o in there, go allin every hand. If it's rigged for the players that do that then do it, make a lot of money, exploit the system. If you don't do it then it means that you yourself don't believe it either and you're just making excuses. :haha:

Hotels and some bars, and most stores will take credit cards, even for ski passes you can use card if you get them at the bottom (not at the top). A bit of cash for taxi and small things might be necessary. About exchanging money idk what the uk rates are but I would assume that supply of said currency also affects the price, therefore should probably be cheaper in Sinaia if you're planning on exchanging large amounts, for the minimum necessities like sub 100 pounds probably doesn't matter much. As everywhere else, for exchange shops pay close attention to the exchange rate and do the math before you take the sum, don't get scammed. Exchanging at a bank will probably have a very slightly worse rate but no more risk, some queues tho, and airport rates are horrible, everywhere (again fine for a tiny amount). Out of the banks available in Sinaia I would assume Banca Transilvania or Alpha Bank to have the better rates. Local currency might be needed for cash games but I'm not sure about that, dunno what deal they have in Sinaia, in Bucharest it was in euros during the UO.

Indeed it appeals to casino games players, or anyone with very little time, and it's very good that there is a product that can bring them over to the poker side of the site. It definitly isn't for everyone, I myself have mixed feelings about it as well. Still I am having fun trying to figure out the best strategy for them to maximally exploit player tendencies in this format 😃

@Patric-Unibet I'm sorry, I know this is none of my business but how is that even remotely fair. Telling him that the T&C is on the site, what could he have done better? He's going at the event, he's not deferring his original package, he's not converting it, not selling it, he didn't win multiple packages though the sattelitte system (if I understood his messages correctly), what was he supposed to do, stop playing on unibet after qualifying? I get that there's a bit of a management issue with being constantly qualified to future events, but punishing a player for playing sattelites or for playing for the challenge points seems silly. 750€ per quarter seems like a pretty large fee for this management issue. And the fact that everything would have been okay if he just stopped playing on unibet for a week makes it even more ridiculous, unibet has always been one of the most player friendly sites, and understanding and flexible when there are unavoidable issues or honest mistakes (I wouldn't count this as a mistake on his part tho, who would even think that you get punished for raking too quick)

I'm down 🆒

This is probably the first time in history when players berate the company for having too many overlays 🤣 🤣 🤣 I get it tho, someone that doesn't have thousands of € to spend on satties won't be able to take advantage of the overlays anyway, most of the low stakes players that had a chance at qualifying until now got eliminated from the system / will be soon. And yes I'm bothered as well by some of the bs arguments used (sometimes on both sides) and cherrypicking of data to prove ones point (again on both sides), feels a lot like the amaya approach, but hey amaya is the industry standard now. That being said it's their job and their decision, whether good or bad or maybe even inconsequential to them despite possible higher costs, it's theirs to make. Continuing the comparison with Amaya, in this case there was no promise broken / players that didn't receive funds owed to them so no real reason to crucify them.

I'll be there, of course :rockon: