cris1285

Hoeness, picture or it didn't happen! 😝

Leipzig is losing its key players like there is no tomorrow. Szobo is gone to Liverpool, Romano said "here we go", so must be a sure thing. I hope that's not a too big step for him, because he is way too talented to warm the bench... But playing under his favorite coach and mentor Kloppo should be fruitful considering Dominik's work ethic. Let's go! 

Satisfying answer @Stubbe-Unibet, I hope that's the case this time too! 

3 hours ago, GR1ZZL3R said:

   Agree with that, a superb player (not just scoring goals) in a very moderate team. The last big instance of that was Shearer going to Newcastle (supported them as a boy) rather than United. Just think how many more goals he might have scored, and titles won, on top of his current PL record.  

I always thought Kane is going for that Shearer record at least, but it doesn't look too likely at the moment. 

From the 1st of July, there will be a new law in Hungary, and the banks won't have permit payments for (foreign) online gambling and betting. I received messages regarding this issue from other sites already, but not yet from Unibet. What is about Unibet, and what is the alternative method or any other possibility from Unibet to the poor Hungarians? Using Skrill/Neteller was suggested by party, but I don't have it available at Unibet (and I believe many Hungarians lack that option too). Anything you know @Stubbe-Unibet@Jami-Unibet or any other mods? 

I like Kane, he is a superhero in my eyes. He is in a terrible position playing for one of the biggest loser countries and clubs, so many hopes for both for constantly failing. But he keeps delivering, and it is so "Kane-ish" that he almost scored as many goals as Haaland in a much worse team and no one talks about him. He is staying at one club despite not winning shit is unique nowadays, and that is really admirable.

But Bayern? 🙄

17 hours ago, Livertool said:

Anyhow, tired of this babysitting here. Anyone interested to jump to discord if i set one up when i have time? To ease both our and mods nerves as this sandbox don't seem to be big enough for all to play. At least i´m done.

The best you could do 🤠

That doesn't change anything, so anyone with common sense would let him go now considering his age for instance. They offered him only 1+1 years afaik, but he wanted a longer contract, he wanted to discover new top leagues until he can. Just for you to remember, that is your argument? 😅

On 6/25/2023 at 8:22 AM, Livertool said:

"arabs do what they want with their oil money" but couldn't hold on to Gundogan who got better deal from Barca 😂 

 

On topic: Gvardiol is 99% sure for City, and the fee will likely break the world record for defenders. Bidding for Rice also going on, Arsenal's 75+15 million bid is rejected, and City is preparing its bid as per Romano. Would be hilarious (but not unusual for City) to spend over 250 - 300 million (Kovacic included) in the first three weeks of the summer break. But hey, they can't hold on to 32 years old Gundogan... Okay. 😂

Related, but not totally: Modic extended and doesn't go to SA. Respect to the old guy! 

You see, you confuse me with your BS? Why you brought Havertz in? 😂 

Gundogan will not get any better, he leaves at his peak. That is the best deal from City. Anyone with common sense would sell him now, so they did not even wanna compete w Barca. 

Barca is the same cancer as I said, unlimited budget but they have no money... Also, Gundogan wanted to leave for a couple of years, right? He is getting old, who knows how many years he has in him, his last chance to move to a different country and league, and the perfect timing with a treble behind. Havertz has done nothing since the CL final two years ago, why arabs would want him to stay?

So who said Arabs (or actually anyone with common sense) want them? 😅You can come up with better!

Talking about one season only (because it fits the narrative) when they built the team for more than a decade 😂

Teach the community more about ignorance 😝

I am mistaken, it's not a troll thread, it's a legendary thread now! 

Ok, at least it's clear that you are trolling 😅

1 hour ago, Livertool said:

Never denied that City haven't used lot of money or that they wouldn't have advantage over most clubs. I just felt that you didn't know that they made profit and educated you a bit so you know better than "arabs do what they want" when in fact some things are done well.

Let me educate you! Did you know that profits come from different sources, like sponsors (Arab money)? Eventually, they pump as much money as they want into City, so they do what they want. Also, did you know that clubs from the Premier League literally can't go bankrupt because they make a nice profit from broadcasting? And also, did you know that most of the best teams make a profit? 😂

Other than that, City is in a massive minus in the last decade on transfers as shown in the picture I linked to you. 

But hey, you are right in everything you say, even if your argument is your opinion alone. High-five! 

6 hours ago, Livertool said:

You clearly have internet connection so use it and you shall find out that thou wages are not exact science cause teams don't put out contracts and they contain different ways of getting paid with bonuses etc and those numbers might not be spot on but multiple sources giving similar information makes it believable. Unless you trust your own gut feeling better?

Might be, might not, same as every other team like Juventus losing points this season for scamming.

Can you post them again? Stubbe must have deleted posts again cause all i find in your posts is your opinions and one link to column of writer's opinion of best cl matches. Agree with some of them but facts they ain't 😉

If you are shocked of City not being biggest wage spender among PSG, this fact might stun you too that City actually made money on transfer market this season and with price money won from treble they made very healthy profit, again. Something that can't be said for many teams. 

Well, I struggle with the internet due to storms 😄

You clearly have an internet connection to re-read the facts I stated, but I help you out this last time. 

- Corruption. Fact.

- Cheating. Fact.

- Leagues are fairer with caps. Fact.

- Arabs coming into European football with their dirty money and doing whatever they want. Fact.

- The best national tourneys were about two decades ago (check the goal/match ratios for instance). Fact.

- Results from the CL finals. Fact. 

- List from one of the best crew out there. Doesn't matter if the list is based on a survey, on a team's or a single author's opinion, but much more objective than you or me. Not fact, but nearer to it than any of us here. 

I can accept the stubborn "suspension of disbelief" from @GR1ZZL3R because he is a Citizen after all, but I can't accept that you can't read. 

Also, the last two sentences are a huge own goal, but what to expect from a Finn (from the 13th min.:

"City actually made money on transfer market this season" - Ok... Congratulations, first time in ages? Feel free to check transfermarkt.de (Transfer income and expenditure | Transfermarkt) for the last 15 years, or read this one (for you with picture: The Top 25 Highest Spending Clubs In The Last Decade - SPORTbible), or this one from two years ago (30 European clubs with the the biggest net spend in last five years - ranked (90min.com). Talking about facts. 

If you wanna bully me and my opinion, at least don't deny it with your subjective brainstorming and get your facts straight first, otherwise I feel like I talk to a support agent... 

That site (which I don't even know and am not sure is valid) shows only wages, it's only a slice of the story. Also, City and PSG are known for cheating with these numbers, right? 

Anyway, I feel dissatisfied that I come up with results, facts, stats, and objective shits, and your answer is that you don't like it. 😅

48 minutes ago, Livertool said:

to me it ain't that interesting

49 minutes ago, Livertool said:

if Tuchel or Ancelotti prefers parking bus with teams worth of hundreds of millions then it is on them.

Which facts are wrong? Corruption, cheating, US major league caps to keep the leagues interesting and FAIR? Curious...

The only opinion one can argue is that football dies. But even you, @Livertoollisted most of the problems, and I think they are pretty bad. It's a corrupt business now, led by oil monkeys. 

And I don't know how the quality could be called better than ever. Should be, thanks to today's technology, meds, training, etc, but it is not. The best ECs and WCs were the ones around 2000, and I don't even remember the last ones. Talking about club football, what about the last 5 CL finals? All of them were boring as hell, except for one all were 1-0 and the one was 2-0 but literally over after the 1st minute 😄 442 is a top soccer site (magazine) and had a list of the best CL matches last October. Interestingly, I didn't find many recent ones in the top 25, and only one in the top 10, which was a comeback, probably that's the sole reason being listed as high. Have a look if have bad memory: The 25 best Champions League games of all time: 10-1 - RANKED! The 25 best Champions League games of all time | FourFourTwo

Also, maybe except for De Bruyne, I don't know any player who plays decent in most of the important matches. None. Because there are not enough world-class players, and they are dead tired and injured, because money takes over the game. 

Unfortunately, seems like it became a troll thread now.

Football in general dies because of the huge money involved. It was crazy already and is even worse since the Arabs because they think they can buy everything and everybody, UEFA and FIFA involved. Smelly as fk. Look, PSG and City can buy anyone, prizes in the sky, don't matter. The cheating they are allowed to do is disgusting. Barcelona? Absolutely not the same, but also cancer in the sport of buying a full team. From what money? That's what none knows! The quality is usually better than in the 90s, sure, but some of the last few seasons were not top football, because Qatar liked the winter WC and Covid (or rather the federations pushing for finishing the season, starting the next, going to EC and starting again...) messed up the schedule. I don't like the way where football is heading, and I can't get it how anyone would like... 

Comparing NFL to European football is mad 😄 As Wudu explained there is a cap, doesn't matter if the owner is a billionaire or not, you can't spend more than the cap allowed. Also, there is a system to pick up young guys and build up a good team. IMO better than buying a good team. And I don't even wanna get into the topic of how those usually 60+ Americans got their money and how the Arabs, and how many people were threatened, sentenced, or killed on the way. 

From my perspective, I don't care if any of these cheaters win something big once in a while, but there is no way they should be celebrated.  

16 hours ago, GR1ZZL3R said:

    Wudu confusing everyone by using a word obviously not knowing what it means, then pretending he's confused because no one can understand him, pathetic. 

 

   Making the point that City will win the Champions League because the best teams fell apart is far too simplistic. The best team of all didn't fall apart and won it, it's called managing. 

Obviously, but it's way easier to manage it when your best (and maybe third best -thinking about Mahrez) player doesn't even attend the bloody winter world cup in Qatar, and except for one of your subs, no one goes deep in that tournament. 

I don't mind, Man City will win it next year too, most of the giant teams need big and refreshing changes, and some of them don't even have the money to make it. And unfortunately, the rich countries from the Arab world wanna expand their power to Europe, so whatever they want, will happen. Football dies a bit every day. 

Yep, Haaland was dead tired after the WC, De Bruyne who said he didn't wanna go to Qatar was clearly fatigued too. And all the others who have been in the semifinals. Alvarez and... anyway, all of them 🙂 

24 minutes ago, GR1ZZL3R said:

   I'm confused. What has being a City supporter got to do with not knowing whose wife is having a sexual affair with another man? This thread does take some interesting turns.

   The thing about being young and inexperienced is that you have to be given the chance to grow and learn. I don't know the average length of tenure of managers in the Bundesliga but in the Premier League it seems instant success is demanded. Chelsea are notorious for that, even changing managers after success but I'm a fan of Mikel Arteta and it seems he is being given time to develop his players and systems, four years so far, another couple of years and he and Arsenal could be a big danger. I was so pleased for David Moyes, shown the door at United far too soon but allowed time at the Hammers and bringing a European trophy home. And of course Alan Hansen's famous "You can't win anything with kids," the kids in question going on to be one of the most successful teams in  Premier League history and doing that treble in '99

 This year's final may have been poor (it was) but I'll forever have warm memories of City beating Bayern and dismantling Real on the way. It seems some people will never concede certain points, City can't win in Europe despite all their perceived advantages, fair or unfair, but when they do win it's because of the shortcomings of their opponents. C'est la vie.

  

City was the same two weeks ago in the CL. Being there at the opened door and failing like a loser. That's why it's weird from you to bash Dortmund for the very same. I'm confused:

14 hours ago, GR1ZZL3R said:

ones that have some sort of backbone and are willing to try to get their hands on a trophy, especially when being handed the cabinet keys and told when the guards are on holiday.

To be fair, I said since the world cup that City will win the CL because the best teams seemingly fell apart after the WC. Feel free to scroll back through the various topics. And yeah, if City can not win with all the cheating and millions, that's a shame, if they can, that's fine. 

12 hours ago, GR1ZZL3R said:

 

   I don't think you do, it may have been lost in translation but would you care to explain who has been cuckolded and how?

 

Meanwhile Dortmund are reported to be looking for a few specialist players, ones that have some sort of backbone and are willing to try to get their hands on a trophy, especially when being handed the cabinet keys and told when the guards are on holiday.

Sounds weird from a City supporter. City has all the advantages (legal and illegal) on Earth and couldn't win the Champions League until now, even when faced with the likes of Lyon or Tottenham, or even when leading until the last minutes (Real). They looked just the same clueless, no? And now, compare the budget of the two clubs. Ahh, and the backbone of the club owners...

Dortmund has the same problem as Arsenal. Most of their players are young and inexperienced to fight for a real title. That is the reason they both failed the same way and not that City and Bayern were unplayable. 

Shouldn't beat these poor guys so badly, absolutely not Finnish style to score (at all actually) 6 goals. Good chance to make it to the Euro, and to lose all the group matches there 🤪Of course unless something happens like back in 1997...

On a serious note, I knew Denmark is overhyped but this is an unexpected collapse even for their standard. This is the easiest group ever probably and still failing. At least Damgaard (and not Damsgaard) made Denmark proud with Magdeburg! Hero! 😍

11 hours ago, cris1285 said:

The last dance for Lahoz, he will be the ref on France - Greece tonight. Didn't give a single card on his last two La Liga matches (I caught the last one, and had 6 bets, under 5,5 until under 0,5 cards, the latter paid 17x). Let's see what he does tonight.

He cried after the last La Liga match like baby. I will honestly miss him even if he was an attention seeker bastard, but at least had more charisma than most of the players. 

Yeah, Greece, well done. 🥶

Who is that shit scored thrice for Finland @Livertool? I had under 4,5 goals and it looked fantastic until the last twenty minutes... 

The last dance for Lahoz, he will be the ref on France - Greece tonight. Didn't give a single card on his last two La Liga matches (I caught the last one, and had 6 bets, under 5,5 until under 0,5 cards, the latter paid 17x). Let's see what he does tonight.

He cried after the last La Liga match like baby. I will honestly miss him even if he was an attention seeker bastard, but at least had more charisma than most of the players. 

Yeah, that ManU treble was fantastic, (of course, had to congratulate them because) that was something else. Most of the key players came from the reverse team growing up together, an incomparable and unique achievement. Some of them were legendary players. A likeable team really. Good old days. 

23 hours ago, GR1ZZL3R said:

   The expectations are usually fairly close but I never know whether someone is deliberately missing the point or being argumentative just because. The figures might be slightly down due to the participants but overall most sports viewing  figures are on a steady decline year by year, you look like you're relating cause and effect to one particular aspect. 

 

   The Bundesliga may have been dramatic this year but only because two teams were trying their best to throw the title away. I would have thought watching the same team win the same title year after numbing year, usually by the proverbial mile, would wear thin, more akin to watching repeat after repeat and always knowing the outcome. City have now won 5 out of the last 6 Premier League titles but do at least take it deep into the season once in a while. 

   Unfortunately live sport is unlike the latest film or tv series in that you can't really read reviews of it and then decide whether to pay to watch it or not, that does take away one of the main appeals. You may decide not to pay for the next WC and miss the best ever, but by then it's too late. True lifelong fans don't pick and choose, they watch them all or as many as they can, good bad or indifferent. 

 

    As for the cheating allegations, whatever happened to the innocent till proven guilty ethos? I'm not saying City are innocent but do you really believe all the teams are pure as the driven snow? It's big business these days, businesses tend to look out for ways to take advantage. Maybe not as big as Google or Amazon who seemingly only pay a combined annual tax of £2.50  in the UK. 

   It would be a terrible shame if City's achievements were overshadowed by off the field results but I, like most fans, am enjoying it while it lasts. 

Viewing numbers are on a steady decline as you say, and yet Real-Pool had bigger numbers last year. Obviously, "nobody care" is not true word by word, but you should know what I mean. Especially, because you felt the need to post the victory three times because nobody (exactly nobody) cared here. Not many football fans can swallow the success (and game) of City, PSG, and all those clubs with a lost identity...

Wudu already replied on the BuLi part, not much else to say. I was heavily sweating on my "Schalke to BuLi2" bet at the end, and there were great matches produced by Dortmund, Leipzig (Szoboszlai rulez), or let's be honest, even Schalke. Also, Bayern winning the title every year should be a lock, stealing players left and right and having the biggest budget should be enough. Same as at City, no? 

The cheating is as clear as it gets. Do people seriously believe, that the Abu Dhabi UG will be found guilty? The oil mafia against the corrupt UEFA, with so much cash on the line? Lol. The decision could take up to years, the investigation is behind closed doors - money will solve it, again. PSG and Barca are the same.

However, you can't do much as a long-time fan, enjoy the results! 

On a side note, Grealish is showing what an idol is he for the kids. Well done!