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[Wokeyedwill]

I thought about this for a while now and I've finally done it. 

For people out there who need help go and get it believe me or it will take over your life.

Its been the hardest decision ever for me but after everything I've put my wife through and children through with gambling on the football,horses and the slots in the last 16 years of my life its been like a train wreck.

So after a serious chat for the 1st time ever with my wife who's had to put up with me lieing about my habbit for 10 years i have decided to grow a pair of bollocks and admit I'm a gambling addict and together ae decided poker is not the problem I play poker for the love of the game and I've put a set deposit limit what I cant change as I did it threw unibet over the phone and emails of £70 a week that might seem a lot to most people but it's a lot less than the 400 500 every week maybe in1 day that's how bad it was Ive closed down all my other accounts online for 5years as that's the maximum so it's just unibet poker and nothing else.

Who ever reads this if u think u have the same problem or no u have feel free to drop me a message I'll always be happy to help or even if you want to talk. #knowwhentostop #gethelp #family 

Cheers all for reading thanks again CARL aka wokeyedwill 

[FreedoM]

I'm out of Likes but this is great.

https://www.youtube.com/c/AdamCarmichaelchannel/featured

Also, you probably should read The Mental Game of Poker 1&2 to Build a Strong Rational Mindset not only in Poker but also Outside of it.

[Wokeyedwill]

Thanks @FreedoM I'll give this a read

[Estzen]

This is a very nice post. It takes an effort to understand and say the problem. What buyins you usually play when you play poker. 

I also would like to know, what is so intriguing about slots, and how does it react with you?

Sports betting I sometimes do, but only when I watch something specific. Its much more a fun even to cheer for someone, but I havent find sports betting very good investment, even tho I guess its possible for some super-serious math guys who can eventually make some goods. But its probably as hard as day-trading proffessionally.

Ive loved tables games, but in them its pretty apparent that they can only be played for fun. For me - roulette and blackjack would be these options. Usually I have played only with very small amounts. 

 

Im glad you've taken such a responsibility. 

[Merenitsu]

Very interesting. I certainly don't understand when people have accounts in other bookmakers, casinos. It is better to choose what you like best. About the limits. After a couple of years, I set myself everything and I will say on my own that in my case it has both pluses and minuses. If in slots with no limit I could lose 50 euros at a time, be angry and not enter for 3 months. For example, with board games, on the contrary, the limits made a positive effect. Even with a limit, I rarely go there. Previously, I didn’t like the bets at all, but this year I lost a certain amount there, of course, but this is not connected with any thoughts of making money. Rather, increase interest from viewing. The main problem with gambling lies in the fact that some try to return, win back their money, which leads to other losses. If you feel this, then your step is justified.

Yesterday I also blocked the slots for a week. From time to time I do it for prevention.

[Pionrj]

11 minutes ago, Merenitsu said:

I certainly don't understand when people have accounts in other bookmakers

You really don't? I don't understand, who does sport betting only on one site. Why on earth would you ever give bookmakers the edge and loose 10-20% value by not selecting the highest odds available? Opening at least 5 different accounts is like the first thing you should ever do, if you want to be a winning bettor.

[Wokeyedwill]

My problem was that it didn't matter how much I won or lost I'd still carry on but with poker it's not like that I play for the love of it obv I want to win but if I lost €25 buyin tournament for example I would not be like FFS I need to put another 25 on to try and win it back, but if I lost 25 on the slots I'd be telling myself just 1 more deposit its going to pay and the same again again and  before you know it I've spent 500 in less then 2 hours chasing the big win then if u did win I'd be like right now more it's like a never ending cycle always wanting more n more when really I could win 3000 and still not be happy.

Win 300 on poker and I'm over the moon.

Its weird and mad but I hope that makes some sense haha 

@Pionrjyour also right I had 6 major online betting accounts open just so I could get a better price by 10/20% if u back big on the horses like me its worth it but only if you know your limits. Witch in my case it was a epic fail

[Merenitsu]

2 hours ago, Pionrj said:

You really don't? I don't understand, who does sport betting only on one site. Why on earth would you ever give bookmakers the edge and loose 10-20% value by not selecting the highest odds available? Opening at least 5 different accounts is like the first thing you should ever do, if you want to be a winning bettor.

This is the problem for many. What do you think you can earn from betting. I believe that you cannot make money on bets, so I rarely have a desire to win back.

 

2 hours ago, Wokeyedwill said:

My problem was that it didn't matter how much I won or lost I'd still carry on but with poker it's not like that I play for the love of it obv I want to win but if I lost €25 buyin tournament for example I would not be like FFS I need to put another 25 on to try and win it back, but if I lost 25 on the slots I'd be telling myself just 1 more deposit its going to pay and the same again again and  before you know it I've spent 500 in less then 2 hours chasing the big win then if u did win I'd be like right now more it's like a never ending cycle always wanting more n more when really I could win 3000 and still not be happy.

Win 300 on poker and I'm over the moon.

Its weird and mad but I hope that makes some sense haha 

@Pionrjyour also right I had 6 major online betting accounts open just so I could get a better price by 10/20% if u back big on the horses like me its worth it but only if you know your limits. Witch in my case it was a epic fail

After this post, I believe that you are very passionate and you did absolutely the right thing.

[Wokeyedwill]

@Merenitsu it's taken me a very long time to finally admit it out loud and I know it won't be easy I'm not debating that but little steps at a time

[Pionrj]

12 minutes ago, Merenitsu said:

This is the problem for many. What do you think you can earn from betting. I believe that you cannot make money on bets, so I rarely have a desire to win back.

Your belief here is very wrong. There's tens even hundreds of thousands people who earn money with betting and they do it professionally. Of course you don't believe it when you bet 1,01 odds and loose those every now and then. If you'd study this just a bit, you would know something instead of believing. 

[Merenitsu]

4 minutes ago, Pionrj said:

Your belief here is very wrong. There's tens even hundreds of thousands people who earn money with betting and they do it professionally. Of course you don't believe it when you bet 1,01 odds and loose those every now and then. If you'd study this just a bit, you would know something instead of believing. 

If you believe that hundreds of thousands of people make money on bets professionally, then at the end of a long journey you will be disappointed. But the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of accounts in different messengers of these same professionals, I see every day and bypass.

[Pionrj]

@MerenitsuI really don't understand how you can be so far away from this world? It's a fact, that even in Finland there's thousands of pro bettors who do (only) that for living. Same as with poker. They know the percentage, they study and they execute. When I started to keep a decent score of my every bet 5,5 years ago, I've made 3% ROI with only betting. If I wouldn't do stupid bets when I'm drunk, that might be close to 6%. Before that I probably lost, because I didn't know or see the numbers. 

[Estzen]

In reality - there isnt so much pro sportbettors. I dont believe it, because its very hard to archieve. Your basically playng against the odds vs the casino. And if you can be profitable its only if you put up as much work in these statistics as the casino working teams who calculate the odds so that it would be profitable for the casino. The thing is from time to time, these teams can be WRONG too. And some people could find these mistakes and use it for gain. But in that level it is an insane amount of work. We cannot talk about winnings runs for few months... we are talking about a long volume of bets and being profiable in a very big sample size. 

 

Its probably possible, but its very very rare for individuals. And stock day trading is a good parallel, where 90, to 95% of people think their winners, but are all losers.

As a constant psychology field reader and studier, from a technical point of view - its intresting to see how biased people by general population are. Dunning-Kruger is massive and almost everywhere.... 

[Wokeyedwill]

4 minutes ago, Estzen said:

In reality - there isnt so much pro sportbettors. I dont believe it, because its very hard to archieve. Your basically playng against the odds vs the casino. And if you can be profitable its only if you put up as much work in these statistics as the casino working teams who calculate the odds so that it would be profitable for the casino. The thing is from time to time, these teams can be WRONG too. And some people could find these mistakes and use it for gain. But in that level it is an insane amount of work. We cannot talk about winnings runs for few months... we are talking about a long volume of bets and being profiable in a very big sample size. 

 

Its probably possible, but its very very rare for individuals. And stock day trading is a good parallel, where 90, to 95% of people think their winners, but are all losers.

As a constant psychology field reader and studier, from a technical point of view - its intresting to see how biased people by general population are. Dunning-Kruger is massive and almost everywhere.... 

Always biased when  it comes to gambling on sports horse racing ect thinking I no everything telling family this is the 1. I cant do anything wrong but in reality I and most people no fuck all and need a reality check if you think your going to beat the bookies.

The only way is inside info and big bets otherwise your just chasing the dream

[Pionrj]

27 minutes ago, Estzen said:

In reality - there isnt so much pro sportbettors.

In which reality? And how much is "so much"? 

27 minutes ago, Estzen said:

The thing is from time to time, these teams can be WRONG too. And some people could find these mistakes and use it for gain. But in that level it is an insane amount of work. We cannot talk about winnings runs for few months...

Here you are wrong. If you know how to use Google, you'll find a arbitrage for every single day. That alone proves that people counting the odds for bookmakers do humanly mistakes daily. And human definitely can beat human. 

[Pionrj]

I think we could have a real pro and someone who probably knows the most of betting in whole damn world to answer us, how many pro's are there. If @Stubbe-Unibet or maybe @Jami-Unibet has JV's contact and would be so kind that either one of them could ask? 

[Wokeyedwill]

Theres plenty of pros out there that's the reason the bookies love the addicts cause for every pro theres 500 addicts just giving it all back to them 

[Estzen]

No Im not wrong, because people just telling their info in "google" are just opinions not facts. 

Its a small field of winners just like in any such field of interest, otherwise the bookies could not be winning, because the winners would just out beat them so much that bookies would be all broke. Logically there can only be a very thin field of real winners, because mathematically otherwise would be just impossible and full of wishful-thinking! 

[Pionrj]

32 minutes ago, Estzen said:

No Im not wrong, because people just telling their info in "google" are just opinions not facts. 

This is Merenitsu -level now. Bookers giving odds for Arbitrage every single day are only opinions? OK. Don't speak about logic, when your arguments are at this level. 

 

And like Wokeyed said, there's a lot of addicts put there loosing their money. That's what makes it possible for the pro's to make some money. You really don't seem to know what you are talking about. 

[Wokeyedwill]

@Pionrj your an absolute legend my friend says it how it is no fucking around and even hads a logical side to it class pal 

Ps can u send me some logical tips on how the fuck to cash when  i manage to get to final tables and still dont cash

Edited November 6, 2021 by Wokeyedwill

[Pionrj]

@WokeyedwillI really can not. I'm playing way different then you. I really never min cash anything. I'm either at the very top or very bottom. You would have to change everything 

[Wokeyedwill]

Like I said. just says it how it is  

Ps I'm not that bad

[Pionrj]

16 minutes ago, Wokeyedwill said:

Like I said. just says it how it is  

Ps I'm not that bad

Didn't mean that you're a bad player. I just play way different style. At least the tourneys I've played with you at the same table. I play less hands and more aggressive when I play. And I think I'm pretty good on exploiting other players. 

 

If I remember right, you limp/flat alot. I limp/flat maybe 10% of the hands I play. And it's always only if I get to play the post flop from position or if the price is ridiculous from blinds. 

Edited November 6, 2021 by Pionrj

[Estzen]

@Pionrj - Merenitsu level . Ok thanks for the insult. Actually its you who doesnt understand what your talking about. The losing players are irrelevant for beating sports betting. Since you really are competing against odds that are laid out by proffessional collectives of booking side. And if you wont make enough correct bets that make you profit, you wont profit in the long run. The amount of losing players is totally a diffrent issue. But ofc you can keep believing what you want, some people apparently are sure of playng roulette "proffessionally" too. 

Edited November 6, 2021 by Estzen

[Pionrj]

1 minute ago, Estzen said:

@Pionrj - Merenitsu level . Ok thanks for the insult. Actually its you who doesnt understand what your talking about. The losing players are irrelevant for beating sports betting. Since you really are competing against odds that are laid out by proffessional collectives of booking side. And if you wont make enough correct bets that make you profit, you wont profit in the long run. The amount of losing players is totally a diffrent issue. But ofc you can keep believing what you want, some people apparently are sure of playng roulette "proffessionally" too. 

That's Merenitsu level too. You are comparing a -EV game to a skill game. 

 

Just make me (and yourself) a favour and Google Arbitrage betting odds. Open a few links and you might notice, that you can make money with betting even without any knowledge. Now a huge amount, but still profit. After that, just try to think, could it be possible to beat these bookmakers with some work, when you can beat them without any work.