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I think this sort of thread should be actively answered by staff (and preferably pinned to be easy to find) or not exist at all. Of course staff might be temporarily busy, but in general 😃 Or an option for players to manually view their results themselves without staff involvement could be good (maybe under development based on this? https://www.unibetcommunity.com/t5/Unibet-Idea-Exchange/Display-some-poker-stats/idi-p/355924).

Shame that it hasn't worked out. Quitting might be the right choice if you are not happy playing poker or it is not not living up to expectations/you feel like you are not making progress etc. Another option is to try something new if you haven't tried it yet (e.g solvers, coaching, study groups, something like poker snowie etc.) and then switching strategy based on that, or else switching gametype. Maybe all this goes without saying.

@SCOBY The online games are for sure tougher than live, that does not mean that there are bots however, at least not from Unibet (bots -> tougher games, but the reverse logic is not automatically true). Companies do not try to get profit at any risk. Otherwise even live poker would be rigged (with rigged shuffling machines for example). Of course, it's not impossible, looking at the Mike Postle case for example (from small seedier companies with less to lose at least). But if anything, risking the news headlines and loss of reputation for such a big company, just to win a bit more money at small stakes by operating bots, makes no sense and would be throwing money out the window (loss of customers, legal fees...). Btw I have played live, once I lost KK vs QQ all in pre for over 100 BB. The reg with QQ rivered a Q for quads vs my full house (definitely rigged 🤣) Although, @theMachine has been able to infiltrate 😏

Unlucky :(. Maybe the bug here is that you haven't optimized your rungood settings? Have you tried implementing some sort of superstition method to influence your decision between going all in and folding preflop here, given that you mistakenly jammed when you were destined to lose your stack? Well done with the deep run and hopefully better luck next time!

@Groggy Yeah, the hands def very interesting! I can also make a guess on the first hand in the video, though I think I'm probably way off from what they were really thinking. Flop check: The flop check from OTB is quite interesting. I think it means one of two things. Either OTB has a narrow checking range (some air, underpairs, Q9s, AA stuff like that) and bets small (e.g 1/4 pot) quite often. Or perhaps even more likely is that OTB mixes checks and huge cbets (pot size or more) on a texture that his range crushes. Or maybe OTB has a complex mixed startegy with different sizes, who knows... Turn check raise: The main reason I see for OTB to do this with a range including TT is if he thinks LLinus is likely to overbluff/oversemibluff this spot. An overbluffer would be in a tough spot facing this price in this SPR. They have to overfold or overly jam (or both) with their bluffs. They have to make akward calls with most draws/semibluffs. I agree with most of what you said except that I don't think LLinus ever folds Ax for this price. I think it would be a big exploit if LLinus folds anything else than stuff with insignificant equity and showdown value for this tiny price (LLinus only needs to win 23% of the time to call and having an A blocks a lot of value. If LLinus folds more than 29% of range then OTB instaprofits with the bluff). I could be wrong. The raise could also be an antisolver strategy if OTB think LLinus hasn't solved for tiny sizings and would react suboptimally. River call: It makes sense if OTB thinks LLinus overbluffs with missed draws in this tiny SPR. In LLinuses shoes, all Ax chops now with other Ax on the river so probably all of it jams for what little is left, at least if LLinus thinks OTB is sticky enough (seems likely :Rofl:) and/or rarely traps river with Kx+ if it even takes this line in the first place. Yeah, these players are absolute beasts but they are still human and thus unbalanced in some small ways at least. Probably they are trying to play generally sound strategies, but also maxexploit each others perceived leaks/imbalances (even the small ones) in a big GTO filled leveling war :Laugh: I dunno, I might overestimate the amount of exploitative play going on here, but I don't see how a hand like this can happen if all that these players are doing is trying to approximate GTO better than their opponents :Rofl: Like I said though, I'm probably way off, the analysis is just speculation.

Thanks for the opinions @Groggy ! Q8 hand: Yeah, I agree that raising Q8 is generally overly ambitious, I think GTO would probably either call here 100% or raise a tiny percentage of the time for board coverage (if the 8 pairs, or Q comes etc.) or protection. Even exploitatively I think the raise probably should be a minority play but it's pretty cool/interesting given the dynamic. As for my jam, I think it's not great with hindsight. Normally the vast majority of my continuing range would want to call in position. I'm called by many dominating hand here like you said. Basically at the time I just thought WTF is this person raising with here, I think they will overfold to a jam given their checkraising frequency so far and the board texture. The call with Q8 caught me off guard :p A9 hand: I basically agree with everything you said. The main reason I called was I had (or thought that I had) a strong read which made bluffs very much more likely. Also, it's not the greatest reason to call hands like these but I think there is sometimes some additional tilt equity in calling down with garbage and being correct XD. Your comment about heads up dynamics reminded me of the "poker god" series of videos by Joe Ingram, where he reviews some insane NLHE hands played at the highest stakes online. I just assume most of these reviewed hands to be some crazy exploits by players that know each others play style way too well. Here is an example of the videos (especially the first hand, WTF??? :D)

Ok, so I realize probably the hands that I posted don't make much sense without context so here is my subjective analysis. Q8 vs 23: This hand was during the first SNG of many that I played vs this player. I had been somewhat overly cbetting because I'm used to most players overfolding flops. This player had been checkraising me a few times in response, so I started toning down the cbetting. On this flop they decided to checkraise again, however this flop favors the button because the button can have things like 77, 88, KK sometimes and Kx with better kickers (AK, KQ) more often (because BB would theoretically always reraise most of these hands preflop). Only stuff like K7 and K8 and 78 are strong value here for the big blind. So normally check raising here makes little sense with anything but a narrow range, but check raising weaker hands like Q8 for value makes sense as an exploit against someone that cbets too much. Calling my 3bet is a good read against someone that is frustrated by all the constant check raising (on a board where it looks like big blind is full of crap with this raise). I probably would be overbluffing here. I think this was definitely a case of villain owning me with exploitative play. A9 vs T6 (also forgot to mention, this was against that same player): BB should have the stronger range after I check back the flop, at least on this sort of runout, hence the overbetting from villain (I think that's the reason at least). But I had good timing reads and also the river card is pretty good and misses all draws :p

Most of this week I haven't played much poker. I got a mild cold earlier this week, and also started feeling weirdly light headed/tired, so I didn't feel like playing. I went to get some blood tests, apparently I have vitamin D levels slightly under the recommended level. I forgot to start taking the vitamin D supplements early enough this autumn (oops 🤣). That's a mistake in a cold dark wasteland like autumn Finland :p. Anyway, enough of my stupid health worries 🤣. I played some poker this weekend, mostly the 50 € HU SNG. I lost a bit, bankroll is now 4935.85€. Mostly some standard variance. I played against one particularly interesting opponent, I was impressed by their play. They did a lot of unusual stuff, like overbetting a lot, and not being afraid to call down much lighter than most players (especially in flop textures where I have the range advantage and can put a lot of pressure). They were very agressive in certain spots, but also choosing those spots carefully, and being quite passive in others, not trying to overbluff and win every pot. There were also some pretty weird hands that kind of make sense but I have never seen other human players (except maybe fish) do those things (like check raising flop and then calling a 3bet jam in a limped pot, on a flop of Kh 8h 7s, they had Qh8d against my flush draw of 3h2h. It was 20 BB effective preflop). They also did some weird stuff like open raising 2.5 BB where effective stack was 10 BB. I played that player yesterday, and saw the again today, it was obviously the same player even though they had changed their alias, the style is so distinctive. The hand in question where I got owned by Qh8d: Hand replay for this hand: http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/10180026 Table €50 SNG 2 Seat - 15.00/30.00 - No Limit Hold'Em - Total prize €97 *** Seated players *** Seat 1: Hero (880) Seat 2: Villain (1120) *** Blinds and button *** Hero has the button Hero posts small blind 15 Villain posts big blind 30 *** Hole cards *** Dealt to Villain [8d Qh] Dealt to Hero [2h 3h] *** Preflop *** Hero raises 45 to 60 Villain calls 30 *** Flop *** [8h 7s Kh] Villain checks Hero bets 60 Villain raises 180 to 180 Hero raises 760 to 820, and is all-in Villain calls 640 *** Showdown *** *** Turn *** [8h 7s Kh] [5c] *** River *** [8h 7s Kh] [5c] [4d] Hero shows [2h 3h], High card Villain shows [8d Qh], A Pair of Eights Villain wins 1760 Hero finished the tournament in 2nd place Villain finished the tournament in 1st place, and won €97 *** Summary *** Total pot 1760 Seat 1: Hero: bet 880 and won 0, net result: -880 Seat 2: Villain: bet 880 and won 1760, net result: 880 Obviously I have to also feature a successful stationy hero call every time I update this :p Hand replay for this hand: http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/10180025 Table €50 SNG 2 Seat - 15.00/30.00 - No Limit Hold'Em - Total prize €97 *** Seated players *** Seat 1: Hero (1000) Seat 2: Villain (1000) *** Blinds and button *** Hero has the button Hero posts small blind 15 Villain posts big blind 30 *** Hole cards *** Dealt to Villain [6s Th] Dealt to Hero [As 9d] *** Preflop *** Hero raises 45 to 60 Villain calls 30 *** Flop *** [3c 7s 8c] Villain checks Hero checks *** Turn *** [3c 7s 8c] [4d] Villain bets 165 Hero calls 165 *** River *** [3c 7s 8c] [4d] [4h] Villain bets 775, and is all-in Hero calls 775, and is all-in *** Showdown *** Hero shows [As 9d], A Pair of Fours with an Ace kicker Villain shows [6s Th], A Pair of Fours with a Ten kicker Hero wins 2000 Villain finished the tournament in 2nd place Hero finished the tournament in 1st place, and won €97 *** Summary *** Total pot 2000 Seat 1: Hero: bet 1000 and won 2000, net result: 1000 Seat 2: Villain: bet 1000 and won 0, net result: -1000

Interesting spot with 77. I would base it on my reads on opponent. Are they the type of player to float T9 and then bet thinking that you are over cbetting flop? Would they value bet small with 6x trying to get a call from AK? Or are they only ever going to have Jx? It's a tough price to fold against but I guess it's good vs many worse players in the pool who simply never bluff. I guess I would call vs unknown but I'm also mostly a HU player (=calling station by tournament player standards).

From what I have understood, German regulators came with the news of regulations suddenly and didn't give poker rooms much time to prepare/react. Hopefully a solution is found soon so that Austrians can play properly again.

Ok, so not even that much higher stakes are being played compared to Unibet! Pay to play is a funny concept, probably it's hard for it to be sustainable long term for the poker room when collecting so little rake.

That's a shame. Seems that these 6 max type SNGs have been going down hill for a while. I have heard that some good players on some sites have moved way down in stakes because the higher stakes no longer run. Do you know what the highest stakes are for these that run on any site?

Bankroll is now 5172.18€ I played some 50€ HU SNG earlier today (played 6, won 5), then I decided to take some shots at 100€ HU SNG in the evening (played 25, won 13). Some of the regs at 100€ are def very good, but not unbeatable. Anyway, I will have to make sure that I'm feeling sharp and thinking through all my decisions properly when playing that buyin level! I also came second in the 1000€ freeroll flip for about 197€ (I wasn't watching when it happened). It's the first time that I have got the ticket. I'm not sure what the criteria for getting it is, probably something like playing on Unibet consistently for some time at certain stakes (I haven't raked much recently because of playing the rakeless 5 man SNGs). Lucky result, in any case! Here is a fun bluff that was successful. One of the best bluff candidate hands that I have here IMO: Table €100 SNG 2 Seat - 20.00/40.00 - No Limit Hold'Em - Total prize €194 - *** Seated players *** Seat 1: Hero (1120) Seat 2: Villain (880) *** Blinds and button *** Villain has the button Villain posts small blind 20 Hero posts big blind 40 *** Hole cards *** Dealt to Hero [7d Kh] Dealt in Villain *** Preflop *** Villain calls 20 Hero checks *** Flop *** [9h Ah 7c] Hero checks Villain bets 40 Hero calls 40 *** Turn *** [9h Ah 7c] [Th] Hero checks Villain bets 80 Hero calls 80 *** River *** [9h Ah 7c] [Th] [2s] Hero checks Villain bets 320 Hero raises 960 to 960, and is all-in Villain folds Uncalled bet returned to Hero: 640 Hero wins 960 *** Summary *** Total pot 960 Seat 1: Hero: bet 1120 and won 1600, net result: 480 Seat 2: Villain: bet 480 and won 0, net result: -480 @Groggy Yeah I agree with what you are saying about A4o playability and also that equity realization is more important than raw equity, what I was wondering is when does the price become good enough to call pre? My pot odds vs minraise is 22%, what would be the the correct pot odds to call with A4o (lets say stack depth and ICM was same but it was somehow legal to raise as button to a size smaller than a minraise)? Regardless of how badly a hand plays postflop, it's still a call for some low enough (theoretical) price. But for the price of a minraise in this spot, maybe, maybe not? I'm not saying you are wrong, I just don't have much that is concrete to justify this borderline hand as either a call or a fold in this specific spot. Pot odds and range advantages are hard to translate into accurate preflop ranges without some software (software that also looks at postflop equity realization) :p. Seems most people prefer a fold pre here, maybe that is what I will do in the future. And yeah, a river check fold is tough. I could chop with some hands like A2s valuebets and I would be folding the vast majority of my range if I check fold A4o. But it might well be justified vs severe underbluffers. I would add K9s sometimes into the bluff range, TT and 99 for the more creative. Then again other players would probably never bluff here on the river. Appreciate the insight/advice!

Nice that you ran hot! It might be more efficient to mincash by playing early weekdays, because the higher stakes run better then, than when the leaderboard is almost finisihed (unless you have good reason from other sites to structure your scheduling in this way, or maybe there are slightly more fish on weekends, idk). Of course during the weekend you have a better idea of how many points it takes on the leaderboard to mincash, but it's probably possible to figure out from previous weeks leaderboards too. What negative changes are the SNGs facing?

Thanks for the analysis @Groggy! I agree with your analysis on the KQo and 53o hand at this point (apart from one thing, 53o can be defended in HU, depending on stack depth, the deeper the better :p https://www.pokersites.io/heads-up-hyper-pre-flop-charts/) Interesting thoughts on the A4o. I think it's always hard to quantify what the correct price is for a call. Yes, A4o plays bad postflop, but how does this relate to price and stack depth and ICM? In a 100 BB cash game this is an easy call vs button minraise. What is a high enough stack depth to call this? I think it's very hard to figure out with intuition the correct calling range is what I'm trying to get at. Anyway, I understand why you and Dennis would fold this pre. As for the river check fold, it's pretty nitty but it could even be justified versus some players, I will have to think about that more :p @monkeyheavenYeah, I think some of my main leaks are too high VPIP (from blinds at least) and playing too LAG style (and yeah K4s is way too losse now that I look at it). I think it's because of playing so much HU, you really have to be quite LAG (compared to other poker formats) there to win nicely, the best players know this and they bluff quite a lot in HU SNG. Anyway, something to work on for these formats for me, and yeah it would make playing more tables easier too, thanks for the advice! Good point about the Ah! On the other hand you block me from having stuff like AhQs (edit: nvm AQo is ofc a preflop jam, maybe you're right Kh is better here to bluff with) or Ah7s which are good bluffcatching candidates blocking your nut flush, so I'm not sure blocking some of my best bluffcatchers is that bad, especially when I might raise a good chunk of my flushes on earlier streets. Yeah, honestly the main reason I played 5 man SNGs is out of curiosity, it seemed like a good opportunity to try a new game type, sometimes I want to play different game types to mix it up a bit and learn new poker. I think I will play more HU SNG and cash in the coming weeks. I still like the exitement of the one on one reg battles and truly maxexploit possibility vs fish in HU SNG :D

I realize I didn't mention it, but I do agree with the fold, I'm not sure that it's a call even at higher stakes TBH. Very unlikely that you are ahead, maybe with crazy enough players 🤣

@Dennis__I have seen a Youtube video exploring ICM implications of postflop play with a solver. It's pretty interesting: It's probably possible to some extent/degree of accuracy with some solvers but yeah it doesn't seem to be easy to study. I did end up playing just a few 50€ 5 man SNGs and 25€ HU SNGs today, with a minor profit (BR is 4757.78€) mostly from the HU, I won one 5 man SNG and busted the rest, I think I broke even pretty much. There was this one player that was calling my all-ins super light, or going all in super light vs me (I didn't see them do it against other players). They either loved me ("trying to give me all their chips" as Phil Hellmuth would say), or really didn't like me, trying to take any possibilities to bust me, maybe they were tilted after one big hand I played vs them with AA. They called my 10 BB button rejam from the small blind with J7s (I had AQo, they won of course with JJx on the flop). Then there was this situation on the bubble on another table: I also made one probably bad river call in a pot with Kh4h on [Qh 3h Qc] [4c] [5s] against 1/4 pot river sizing. Called flop and turn with the heart draw and pair of 4. Got tempted by the river price, well played by whoever villain was there with QdTc (Villain was UTG, I was in SB, BB also called pre and then folded the flop. I went call, call, call here vs 1/2 pot flop, 3/4 pot turn, 1/4 pot river). I think I should just get away, way too uncommon that players have a bluff in this line, and probably even A high without the hearts is a better call here. In theory I can't fold much vs that sizing but still :p. I'm also about 75% sure that this player was @monkeyheaven in retrospect!

Yeah I was surprised by the 53 too. I think I would rather have 22 than 53 as BB before the showdown, because at least you have outs against a flush with 22 (well of course there is the straight flush outs for 53 but that is just 1 :p). I have made that same "mistake" folding the best hand multiway when two whales/maniac players get it in with garbage 🤣

Very interesting spot with the flush there! I understand the fold, because neither player should have AA or JJ here, AJ probably won't get it in here in BB shoes. I think the only way that you win here is if "nitty reg" in the big blind either has a worse flush (hard to have worse flushes), 22, or decides to turn something like KsJh into a bluff (or goes nuts in some other way), and then there is still MP to worry about. GL at the tables, hopefully the luck turns for the better!

@monkeyheaven @Dennis__ Thanks for the opinions! It's quite fun to play a game so complicated that even experienced players have such different views on what the best play is :D (I don't count myself in this category, I have only played 5 man SNG for a few weeks now). After thinking about these hands more this is my current view on them. A4o hand: Seems it's too loose to jam. I agree that there should be a flatting range in the BB even this shallow (probably as shallow as down to maybe even 8 BB or so). I think A4o is too nitty to fold given the great price and probably I would flat this despite bad postflop playability, I think the flatting range can be surprisingly wide given the price, and ICM isn't as important 5 handed as I was thinking at some point. I could be wrong though, maybe the post flop playability is so bad that I should fold it. If I was in sb I definitely fold this. And how wide can BB flat here? Not sure. Having a flatting range in this spot has some interesting strategy implications. For example, should I have some AA/KK flat call traps here since it's so likely the money will go in postflop anyway? Maybe... Edit: I think river is still kind of close between bet and check but I guess either can be good. I guess check is better vs bluffier opponents, bet is better vs more face up opponents that never check turn with an A. KQo hand: I think in this situation in the future I will play quite a mixed strategy. I think that I will have some jams, some non-allin 3bets, and some flat calls. On the one hand it's not the simplest strategy to balance, but there are some hands that just don't play that well in any other part of the range. For example, rather than force stuff like K9s or QJo into an akward 3betting range, I think these might be nicer to flat call in general. Of course I could fold these hands pre, but whats the fun in that :D. Despite the difficulty to balance, it's the strategy I feel most comfortable with. Balancing this strategy probably requires doing weird stuff rarely like flatting QQ/JJ in the small blind (I actually flatted JJ vs a cutoff open in the small blind once yesterday with an aggro 3bettor in the BB and was lucky to face a 3bet to then execute the funky call/rejam move :p. BB folded to the rejam). Which range does KQo fit in best then? I'm not sure, I could see arguments for placing it in any of the three ranges, I think I prefer 3betting non-allin or flatting the most. 53o hand: Yeah it's probably a bit too loose pre, without antes at least, even against a button minraise this deep :p. The fun thing about bluffcatching is that the absolute hand strength doesn't matter by the river, only things that matter are blockers and weather or not I beat bluffs. Any perceived unbalance in buttons range should give me the incentive to either massively overcall or overfold my bluffcatchers (because I'm getting the correct or wrong price). I do block 55, 5s7s, Qs5s, Ah3h, Kh3h depending on how wide the button range is of course. I would have raised some flushes and 2p+ before the river though and I don't have that many Qx, so I arguably don't have a huge amount of calling hands to choose from here. I think I rather call this than any 7 without a heart (maybe with the exception of A7 and K7). Still, the call is quite loose and I won't make a habit of making these sorts of calls :p I wonder how ICM affects postflop? I have heard that there is less incentive to bet in position because you open yourself up to getting checkraised (which is more dangerous for the cbettor than normal in ICM situations, because losing chips becomes a bigger threat). Anyway, ICMs implications on postflop (and how that should change preflop) is something I don't understand very well. Can OOP call wider preflop expecting to realize more equity if IP cbets less often? I'm not sure.

Thanks @Dennis__ ! Yeah, other things that kind of confuse me about the A4o hand are sources like this: https://www.pokersites.io/spin-and-go-strategy/ In the "BB vs Button" section it's basically jamming any Ax 17-14BB effective. However, there is no ICM involved with these ranges, and the assumed button RFI range in the article is ridiculously wide for these stack depths, even without ICM. I think that these ranges also assume antes exist. Then there is this Jonathan little video (with 15 BB big blind vs button range at 15:18 ) with supposedly simplified GTO ranges where A4o is a jam. However, this range assumes that there are antes. With 12.5% antes, A4o indeed becomes a jam in ICMIzer as well. And the ranges in this video are also without ICM considerations.I could see A4o being a flat call in GTO land, but it's hard to play postflop in practice against tight human ranges, and ICM probably has a big effect. Yeah makes sense with the 28 bb situation, same logic as HU SNG short stacked non-allin 3bet ranges then :p.

@Dennis__ Ok, interesting, thanks for the opinions! Yeah I thought folding is better than calling A4o probably, I looked at it again in ICMIZER, seems I had some parameters wrong earlier, indeed A4o is better as a fold than a jam (bottom of the jamming range: A8o,KJo,QTo,JTo,22,87s,98s,T8s,J8s,Q8s,K9s,A2s). Would you have a non-allin 3bet range in the stack depth of the KQo?

Here I think is a decent example of a hand that I think I played badly that I remeber close to the end of session. Preflop I think that I should've jammed the A4o, instead I chose to take the lower variance, but worse option of calling it preflop. Now I need to play A4o out of position a bit over 10 BB effective, not a great situation to be in. Also, I'm not sure if I like my river jam. I think a lot of players might overfold their Qx and Jx, especially with all the ICM that exists. Maybe I should check call it instead on the river and give villain an opportunity to bluff with their range advantage. *** Seated players *** Seat 1: Villain 1 (1550) Seat 2: Main villain (2265) Seat 3: Villain 2 (1324) Seat 4: Hero (2621) Seat 5: Villain 3 (2240) *** Blinds and button *** Main villain has the button Villain 2 posts small blind 80 Hero posts big blind 160 *** Hole cards *** Dealt in Villain 2 Dealt to Hero [4h As] Dealt in Villain 3 Dealt in Villain 1 Dealt to Main villain [7d Ah] *** Preflop *** Villain 3 folds Villain 1 folds Main villain raises 320 to 320 Villain 2 folds Hero calls 160 *** Flop *** [Jd Qh Ad] Hero checks Main villain bets 544 Hero calls 544 *** Turn *** [Jd Qh Ad] [6d] Hero checks Main villain checks *** River *** [Jd Qh Ad] [6d] [3c] Hero bets 1757, and is all-in Main villain calls 1401, and is all-in Uncalled bet returned to Hero: 356 *** Showdown *** Main villain shows [7d Ah], A Pair of Aces with a Seven kicker Hero shows [4h As], A Pair of Aces with a Six kicker Main villain wins 4610 *** Summary *** Total pot 4610 Seat 2: Main villain: bet 2265 and won 4610, net result: 2345 Seat 3: Villain 2: bet 80 and won 0, net result: -80 Seat 4: Hero: bet 2621 and won 356, net result: -2265 Here's another hand that I remember in a 50€ SNG where I don't really like my play, earlier in the session actually. I end up jamming KQo from the small blind. It's marginally profitable, especially with the dead money in there, but at 28 BB effective I think there are much better options. I think I still have a stack size where I can 3bet small and fold this hand to a 4bet (if it was 20 BB effective or less then maybe jamming is better), and calling is probably good too, although it isn't that great to play three way out of position, but KQo doesn't play that bad either. I guess one question is, are there any hands that I should just jam this deep? Something like 66 probably doesn't play well as either a smaller 3bet or a flat call, because postflop playability is so terrible. *** Seated players *** Seat 1: Hero (2409) Seat 2: Villain 1 (1455) Seat 3: Main villain (2235) Seat 4: Villain 2 (2266) Seat 5: Villain 3 (1635) *** Blinds and button *** Villain 3 has the button Hero posts small blind 40 Villain 1 posts big blind 80 *** Hole cards *** Dealt to Hero [Kh Qc] Dealt in Villain 1 Dealt to Main villain [Ac As] Dealt in Villain 2 Dealt in Villain 3 *** Preflop *** Main villain raises 160 to 160 Villain 2 folds Villain 3 calls 160 Hero raises 2369 to 2409, and is all-in Villain 1 folds Main villain calls 2075, and is all-in Villain 3 folds Uncalled bet returned to Hero: 174 *** Showdown *** *** Flop *** [Qh 7h 2c] *** Turn *** [Qh 7h 2c] [3h] *** River *** [Qh 7h 2c] [3h] [6c] Hero shows [Kh Qc], A Pair of Queens Main villain shows [Ac As], A Pair of Aces Main villain wins 4710 *** Summary *** Total pot 4710 Seat 1: Hero: bet 2409 and won 174, net result: -2235 Seat 2: Villain 1: bet 80 and won 0, net result: -80 Seat 3: Main villain: bet 2235 and won 4710, net result: 2475 Seat 5: Villain 3: bet 160 and won 0, net result: -160 These are the sort of mistakes, while maybe not huge mistakes, add up if you make many of them during the session. Edit: @Groggy Yeah, that's a great point, I think I might be a bit results oriented also in this case, although I think I was also less focused than usual. But maybe my play wasn't that bad, I think it's definately easier to notice mistakes and be frustrated with play when the results are bad. Well, that frustration is pretty useful as well because usually I work on my game much more during a downswing :p

Bankroll is now 4657.61€ I didn't have much time to play poker on Wednesday and Thursday, and I played only a little bit on both days, resulting in a small loss. Earlier today I played some 50€ HU SNGs, those went well, and my bankroll reached above 5400€. Then this evening I played some of the 50€ 5 man SNGS. Those went really badly 🤣. There was always some way to bubble these damn SNGs :haha:. Also at one point I think I was no longer playing that well. I was getting a bit exchausted and tilted, and wasn't paying enough attention to reads, not thinking through my plays enough to decide whether or not there is a more profitable option, making some overly loose bluffs... I don't think there were many obvious mistakes, I checked some ICM spots and they seemed ok too, but I was playing a bit too ABC aggrodonk style at one point. I should have decided to stop playing once I was no longer focused enough. I think mostly the loss was due to variance though, but maybe I played worse that I realize? I think it's a common trap that people fall into, people keep playing unfocused or slightly tilted and feel like everything they did was pretty standard or "normal", but in reality their lack of focus is making them not consider their options in a hand enough, which causes them to make small mistakes that add up from one hand or street (flop, turn...) to the next (and then they don't even realize that they are playing bad or "that bad"). I think it's easy to underestimate the EV difference between "A game" and " C game" (or whatever the terms are). Well, my bankroll can take a loss like this and this sort of variance is nothing out of the ordinary in the 5 mans. I'm mostly just a bit frustrated that I kept playing longer than I should have. Most likely tommorrow I won't have time to play.

@Dennis__ Well, I didn't have a lot of reads before the hand, except that the player was slightly aggro and and pretty solid so far and was playing on a few different tables, so I though on balance it was likely that this player was one of the players in the pool capable of bluffing. I also thought that some players might bluff me three streets (compared to bluffing someone who only calls two barrels with a very strong range, where it might not be as worth it to fire the third barrel). I had been on many other tables and playing quite agressively postflop (sometimes that causes players to play back aggressively), and probably some players already had reads on me. I also thought the value range is quite narrow with mostly good Qx and flushes, I think most players would check Jx (so easy runout to accidentally overbluff), and I had some real or imagined timing tell reads, so I decided to go with the call this time. But part of what makes this hand so interesting is that it might be an ok call, or it might be a terrible call, and it's also interesting IMO because exploitative adjustments are hard to evaluate objectively. I understand and agree with your logic in principle though.