CuteRaven

I wonder whats more valuable. The 3 BB or the info on what that player would play this way 😂. Would also be a sick river play (the 3 BB river jam) as a bluff but pretty tough to be sure enough about the spot to pull it off 😄. I don't think chip dumping in a normal cash game makes sense anyway? (unless maybe as a money laundering scheme or something)

A little update on the poker: Looks like despite everything going on I still find time to play poker and am enjoying it. So much for "taking a break" lol. On Thursday I lost over 100€ at the deepstack legend. Most of it was in a hand played last minute in a 4bet pot heads up where I had KQo as the out of position player. Flop came KQT and the money went in on the flop, villain had AJs for the flopped straight (whoever won that pot was basically guaranteed Deepstack legend victory). Getting in 1000 BB with top 2 might seem silly, but I've seen people gamble it up with all kinds of crap in the last minutes of the promotion with the additional equity of the 100€ cash ticket, so I thought villain could easily have AA or JJ or AK or J8 or whatever. 😄 BR was about 120€ after that. I've been able to get it back to 246.07€ at the time of writing from playing 4€ SNGs (and one 10€ buyin fireball tournament that I came second in just now that I joined because it was still in overlay 😛). I've been wondering recently what makes me so much better at SNGs (and maybe tournaments too) than cash games. I'm not saying I'm an expert at either but anyway... Would be interesting to hear your opinions on what you think makes someone better in one format or the other. Here are my thoughts: 1. In cash games you get worse pot odds to call because of rake. For example if the rake is 5%, and you are considering calling a pot sized river bet, the pot odds are the same as if the pot size was 1.11x the pot in an unraked game. It doesn't sound like much of a difference but I think it adds up. If you call a bit too much in SNGs for example, you are a pretty big calling station in cash games. 2. In cash games you aren't in any rush to build your stack. In SNGs waiting for a big hand doesn't work very well as a strategy, because the blinds go up. On the other hand in an SNG the worst thing that can happen if you play too aggressive and make a bad bluff is that you bust, in a cash game you can lose 200 BB and all your session profits. 3. In cash games there is no "moment" to pause, you just have to decide to end the session yourself. SNGs on the other hand end at some point. For me it's a bit easier to end a SNG session soon enough than a cash session for this reason. 4. Players dropping out and getting closer to winning also keeps it more exiting and engaging for me. There's a clear "storyarch" to it lol. Cash games feel much more like a grind to me. Overall I would say that cash games suit more analytical and sane people, whereas SNGs and tournaments suit the overaggressive adrenaline junkie degens like me better. Of course that's a pretty big generalization 😄 (and I'm not trying to say that one format is better than the other, I just find it interesting). Well...I jammed 67s for about 20 bigs on the button against a cutoff minraise in an SNG today. I still think my 67s was prettier than my opponents AA but it didn't help me win the pot unfortunately :D. Maybe a somewhat unnecessary punt... But at least people won't be folding to my jams as much if they see stuff like that 😉 That would be awesome but I don't think it's possible.

I think the edges in PLO are quite big if you know how to play. But yeah the variance is brutal like you said. I thought about it some more. I still kind of want to learn PLO but I'm realizing more and more that I don't really like cash games (and I'm not really good at cash games), so I probably won't play much of PLO on Unibet at least where it's mostly cash. Can you please add Omaha Hexapro @Stubbe-Unibet? 😅 Looks like you already figured it out but I just took a screenshot. It is a bit cumbersome admittedly but it's relatively easy to do in the end. If we have: F = value of your stack when you fold (you can get from an ICM calculator) W = value of your stack when you call and win (you can get from an ICM calculator) L = value of your stack when you call and lose (you can get from an ICM calculator) x = the chance that you win when you call (so 1-x is the chance that you lose) Then we find the situation where the EV (expected value of stack sizes) of calling is bigger than the EV of folding: F < x * W + (1 - x) * L And this equation can be rearranged to solve for x, which is how often you need to win the all-in for the call to be profitable: (F - L)/(W - L) < x This equation ignores the chance of chopping, but chopping changes the stack sizes very little so I usually ignore it (for example if you are chopping 10% of the time against villains range, and winning 45% of the time, I just treat this as if I was winning 50% of the time and ignore the chops). Hopefully this makes sense (I didn't want to make the explanation too long), I just thought it was worth explaining for you or anyone else if people were curious. But of course using some proper ICM range calculator if you can afford one (I can't) is a lot easier 😂

Nice call! Iso pre seems quite big, but it seems good as an exploit if they call loose. I like the flop raise against bluffy players, I don't think villains lead makes much sense (Maybe they feel they have more 7x than you if they call 3bets very loose but otherwise it doesn't make sense to me). The flop raise also usually buys you a free turn. On the river I don't think they jam other hands for value than 7x (maybe KJ or KQ) and draws missed so I like the call if you think villain is bluffy! You were only about 40 bigs effective so I don't think it's too bad, unless you have a good read on villain that they are value heavy (with only Ax in their value range) when they take this line. I'm mostly an SNG player though and you get worse pot odds in cash games because of rake, so probably folding more than what I think is best is a good idea :P.

Maybe Viktor Blom? Clearly an inspiration 😎 Yeah I think you are right. There are probably a few interesting connections between personality type and play style. I have made some questionable punts/bluffs live too (the very few times that I have ever played) but not nearly as bad as I do sometimes online.

My BR is 244.68€. Long story short I managed to lose a bunch in PLO 10€ mostly (as well as some 5€ Hexapro). I think I was running pretty bad, but also I'm probably a much bigger fish at Omaha than I even realize! Losing so much at Omaha made me tempted to play more PLO and try to learn the game properly. I'm considering starting some sort of 4€ stakes PLO bankroll challenge at some point (especially when there is so little PLO content on Unibet community). I would've actually lost more but I had a deep run in one of the Bubble busters on Tuesday. I was chip leading at one point with 6 players left, but I managed to lose 3 hands in a row where I was flipping or got it in good (there was also one all in where I got it in good but we chopped when the board came out as a straight). In the end I busted in 6th place and cashed for 52.21€ (last hand I jammed AK for about 10 bigs and got called by 55). I think my all-ins were also justified ICM-wise, but this one I was a bit unsure off. I had a read that villain was jamming pretty light: Well, I ended up calling it off and lost to KTo when villain rivered a T. I calculated that I need to be winning about 53.7% of the time to call here considering ICM. In reality, if KTo is bottom of villains range here, AJs is winning about 53.5% of the time. So the call is probably about breakeven, but since ICM doesn't factor in the strategic value of having a big stack or the risk of blinding out when you just fold every hand, ICM is usually a slight underestimation anyway. As for how life is going, I feel like I'm really busy right now. I'm moving cities soon and changing universities, so there's a lot going on with that. Alongside that I'm working on many days and sometimes playing poker, and trying to find time to see people or just relax. It's starting to feel like quite a lot, so I'll probably not play much at all for a few weeks, or maybe just take a break from poker completely. BTW, funny story: I had a day off from work and I was feeling really tired that day from all the work and sleep deprivation. I went to buy a coffee in the local corner store (R-kioski). Some days later I went to the same corner store and bought a coffee again. The cashier asked "were you the person who left their coffee on the counter last time you were here?". I told her "no, I don't think so", because I don't remember forgetting my coffee. But it got me thinking afterwards. I remember buying the coffee, and going for a walk afterwards, and I would assume that I was drinking the coffee while I walked, I even have some faint (fake?) memories of it, but what if....do I trust my memory more or the cashier...? Maybe I'll go there again and ask her how sure she is that it was me 😅. But if that really happened then it might be one of the dumbest things I've ever done because of being tired. Keep in mind the coffee was the ONLY thing I was buying from the corner store 😂. Even the possibility of that having happened is a good wake up call to take better care of my sleep/energy levels, it made me a little bit worried TBH. I have a tendency to be forgetful when I'm lost in my thoughts, but I mean cmon...😂

TY. Good to know. It might come in useful sometimes for me too 😄 I'm enjoying these updates/rants, so I'm happy to see them as long as you enjoy posting them! I think online it's in some ways it's harder to control your play sometimes because you are often multitabling and making fast decisions (when you go autopilot emotions can take over quite fast). Also when you are playing online there's no people around you to be "ashamed" in front of when you punt off 100 BB with A4 suited preflop. I think many people would be affected by that sort of "peer pressure" when playing live 🤔

To be honest, I don't think these results are really that bad (4.66 BB/100 seems quite good to me actually! For sure better than I could do). There's a good chance that you are running pretty bad at the 50 NL sample and your EV isn't nearly that bad. I've always had the impression that cash games are some of the most "exact science" types of poker games (but maybe that's just a misconception), so if there are a bunch of players there who play for a living and they are studying a lot, then it's quite hard sometimes to overcome the edge they have. Not to mention that rake takes maybe about 8-10 BB/100, so when you factor that in, and the fact that a winrate of something like 10 BB/100 is already considered "world class", probably only about 30% of players are even making a profit. Well I can't argue with that (and against such players you probably want to be getting a lot of money in pre 😄)

Thanks for taking care of it!

I found it now @UAC This is said on the last page: " Hi all, This thread will be locked from now on. Going forward, please submit your results request via Customer Support/Live chat "

I played the Deepstack legend today once again. Once again I almost won it. Once again there was also a weird hand towards the end that robbed me of the victory 🥲. This time I don't think there was foul play involved, well I guess you never know...but anyway some massive whale joined the table literally 5 minutes before the end of the promotion and donated about 1400 or so big blinds to one of the players in the span of two completely ridiculous hands. I mean WTF seriously 😂. Well it happens I guess. 😂 Well, at least I made some money from the promotion. BR is now 454.65€, and the profit is mostly from DSL. Probably I will also get a 100€ cash ticket from last week once @Andy-Unibet has time to sort it out. I haven't played much other than that. Have been really busy with work and other stuff (and quite tired as a result). TBH I was quite tired today so probably I shouldn't have even played, but DSL is pretty fun and good value.

I would say it matters how you do it though. I think it's better to just shove ATs than 3bet and call it off. Yeah, that's nice for sure!

Well I make worse decisions quite often, and in shorter tournaments too 😅. It's a pretty tough spot. My best guess on how the small blind is meant to play is that the range in general is meant to be somewhat tighter than normal. Probably most of the continuing range is meant to call (I'm guessing ATs would be a 100% call). Then there would be a very narrow 3betting range for a smallish size (something like KK+ AK and the rare bluff with a weak Ax blocking villains continuing range). The problem with 3betting wider is that if villain jams, many weaker hands would face two really bad options: 3bet folding or 3bet calling. So better to avoid that situation with most hands. The third option is going all in. That way you deny villain the opportunity to 4bet jam, and because of ICM villain should be folding almost everything. So maybe in GTOland you would have a narrow shoving range, but I'm guessing most likely not this deep. It's quite risky when you are so deep, and in the real world probably most people would call too wide. But hard to say how this spot actually works, just my guess 😀. As played it's possible to try and figure out weather you are meant to call the jam or fold: Here are some ICM calculations (stack sizes are in thousands of chips). You're in the first row and villain is in the second row: This first picture is the situation where you double up. So the value of your stack would be 0.762 after doubling up (just a unitless number). Assuming that you 3bet to 5000 chips, the value of your stack when you fold to the jam is 0.395 Of course if you bust, the value of your stack is 0, so we can ignore that in the calculations. So to profitably call the jam, calling has to have a higher EV than folding. The EV (expected value of your stack size) of folding is 0.395, and the EV of calling is the chance to win the all-in (lets call it c) multiplied by the value of your stack size when you double up (0.762). 0.762*c > 0.395 c > 0.395/0.762 c > 0.518 So you need to be winning about 51.8% of the time or more to call the jam, so much worse odds than in non-ICM situations. That corresponds to about a 23% jamming range (which would be quite loose) or wider from villain, for you to be able to call the shove profitably with ATs. Just thought it was an interesting spot to try and analyze. GL for the next one!

Aww, you were so close! Nice run. How did preflop go? I don't think you need to get all win with ATs for 25 BB, the ICM is pretty brutal in a spot like this 😅

Nice intro and I can agree that living poker 24/7 (or anything super close to that) is not healthy. As for "sustainable and worthwhile level", it's hard to say, depends on a lot of things. I was able to build a decent bankroll in early 2020 playing for fun, mostly with HU SNG, but everybody has their favorite game, and my guess would be that the more you enjoy a game type, the more likely you are to also profit from it. I don't really keep track of winrates, but probably you could do it manually in a spreadsheet if you felt like it. I also remember that there used to be a thread on the community to request your results of games that you played in the past (can't find it anymore, I wonder where it is).

Awesome! Thanks for taking care of Alvin and the chipdumps. Is there any chance to get the DSL rewards since I was second in chips?

I know the feeling when you keep losing, you're not really sure why, you lose motivation, you start playing worse (but you don't realize it) because you are just frustrated and don't have the drive to win (so you're not paying so much attention and just dismissing hands as standard coolers), the strategy of the game is no longer interesting...etc. I would probably take a break if I were you, no point doing something that's not fun, maybe return again later when you've regained some motivation. Hopefully you're enjoying the summer though regardless! I disagree, I'm never jamming QQ there (I would call). I don't know what it's like at NL25, but at NL 4 or NL 10 maybe only 20% of the player pool actually bluff 4bets. The 4betting range of many/most players is typically something close to QQ+ AK+. So why would I forfeit my positional advantage and jam a hand that's flipping at best against the calling range (and the sort of player that doesn't bluff 4bet will call a jam with most or all of their range)? I think even GTO rarely jams QQ there (maybe sometimes). There's a 6max pokerai called pluribus that was made by a university some years ago for the sake of research. They released the hands that it played (and people have made videos about those). Sometimes I like to watch those to get inspiration for what "GTO" would do (can't afford a solver lol). For example here is every hand that Pluribus had QQ in: It seems to like to really mix things up, taking various lines. But for example at 6:00 it called a 4bet with QQ even though it was out of position, and at 10:30 it just called QQ in position vs a 3bet. The difference between this and the real world is that humans 4bet more nitty (and there's rake in the real world), and Pluribus assumes it's against GTO (where bluff 4betting is common). So in the real world I would favor being more passive pre with stuff like QQ or AK against unknowns/nitregs when they 4bet. Probably I would just call every hand in position instead of 5-betting anything but that's just my preference (unless I have a read that someone bluff 4bets a lot). Ugly spot. Maybe exploitatively you could fold against a nit there but I probably wouldn't find a fold 😅 For sure a pretty bad run, but something that's bound to happen every now and then 😕

If you go all in every hand, you will be the chip leader HU 90% of the time maybe, but it's still not a very good strategy. But I agree that the Hexa school isn't that good (the gamelab creators don't like the strategies of limping the button 3 handed, limping the small blind 3 handed and limping HU with <10 BB which can all be ok strategies)

Here are some of the hands played in Deepstack legend as promised. I think being so deepstacked creates some really fun and unique hands. I didn't include a lot of the notable hands here. For example there was a 171.50€ preflop all in (1715 big blinds) where I had TT on the button, went all in against a huge 3bet from the small blind by a whale (had a 879 BB preflop allin earlier that I lost vs this player where they had J7o), and the whale called with AJo, was hard to watch the runout of that one but luckily I won it 😂 Anyway, here's one of the first hands that happened, heads up vs unknown: Villain opens and I 3bet in the big blind with K7s, villain calls. I cbet about 1/3 pot on the flop, villain calls. Turn I check call a 3/4 pot bet. River I check and...wtf am I supposed to do here? Maybe villain has Q7 or 22? Would you call? The player left soon after that hand, the table closed and I started later on a table with 100 BB again. Here's another big hand later vs unknowns: I open the cutoff with 77, SB and BB both call. SB leads out half pot, BB calls, I raise, SB 3bets, BB folds and I call. SB bets 3/4 pot on the turn and I call. What should I do on this river? All of the draws missed but T9 is still the nuts, so basically nothing changed. Here is another hand later on (vs one of the eventual chipdumpsters). Button opens, SB calls, I 3bet with 88 in the big blind, both players call. I get the dream flop 🤩. SB leads the flop for a tiny bet, I raise, button folds and SB calls. I bet 3/4 pot on the turn and pot size on the river. SB just calls me down super loose. I had been bluffing a lot and for some pretty big pots but still pretty brave call 😂 This next hand was against a villain that seemed somewhat tight (they weren't really bluffing much at all). Villain was also making big allins every now and then both preflop and postflop (with what sort of range, I'm not sure). Villain opens in the cutoff, I call the big blind with 59s. The flop is nice! I check raise against villains 3/4 pot cbet, and villain just shoves for 500 BB, should I call? Villain could have 22 at least, maybe 55 or 99 that beats me, and probably not many bluffs. Ok final hand. This was late in the night HU, I think the deep stacks really came into play in this hand. I open J8s and villain calls. Another dream flop, running hot 🔥. Villain leads the flop for half pot and I raise, villain calls. Turn is 6h, bringing four to a straight (and a flush draw for me lol). On the turn I bet 1€ into a pot of 2.50€, villain calls. River is 3c and villain checks, how much should I bet?

Deepstack legend rake is 3.5% with a 2€ cap, so the cap only comes into play in pots with a potsize of 57€ or more (only some of these hands went above that). Actually what these players did after I regained the chip lead after their initial chipdump, was that they waited until the last 10 to 5 minutes or so of the promo to do their final chipdumping. I guess they wanted to make sure that I didn't "have time to react" or whatever. But since they did a lot of the dumping last minute, I think they didn't have the time for small pots (and they were on the table together only for the last 45-30 minutes anyway). Also I wonder what looks stranger, a continuous stream of small chipdumps, or a few large chipdumps? 🤔 I think there are some ways to chipdump, with a lower success rate and/or speed, but also a lower risk of detection, but I don't want to give any wannabe chipdumpsters any ideas. @Andy-Unibet or whoever at Unibet, there is no rush, but would be nice to get a confirmation that this is being looked at or will be looked at (so it doesn't fly under the radar) 😀.

I can share some of the hands for those of you who are curious while the one Unibet employee not on summer holiday works through his stash of cases. Here is hand #1708148099, the biggest one. For context, I had the biggest stack at the time (on the other table). I didn't see this hand while it happened. I only noticed something weird when I realized that I'm not leading anymore, then I looked to the other table and noticed Bebelasuuu sitting there with a huge stack. I was confused, because this is the first time I saw Bebelasuuuu, so this must have been probably the first hand he was involved in after sitting down (also the hand must have happened pretty fast). Preflop: Ducu8 opens the button and Bebelasuuuu min-3bets in the small blind. It then goes 4bet, 5bet, 6bet, call. Postflop: On the flop Bebelasuuuu leads out pot and Ducu8 calls. Turn Bebe bets pot again and Ducu calls. River you can see in the screenshot below: Hand #1708159090 (second biggest one, I think this was quite soon after the first one): Preflop goes basically the same way as last time. Bebe opens, it folds to Ducu, and it ends up being a 6bet pot preflop. Btw a lot of these hands I saw while they happened and these were snap decisions (imagine snap 6betting lol). Postflop Again the out of position player (Ducu this time) leads out. This time Bebe raises and Ducu folds. Hand #1708171297 (third biggest): I think at this point I had regained the lead on the other table, so obviously, these chipdumbassters gotta chipdump a little more. 😂 Preflop: Bebe open limps and everyone limps behind. Ducu raises huge, Bebe calls and others fold. Postflop: I miss out on a dream flop 🥲. Ducu cbets flop pot size, Bebe calls. Ducu bets turn again pot size, Bebe raises and Ducu folds. The other hands are very similar to this, so I feel like I would just be repeating myself if I post them. What I find funny is that these players couldn't have made it more obvious (you would think there are more subtle ways of colluding?). Maybe they didn't realize that chipdumping is against the rules, and they thought they had found a genius "strategy" to win themselves a 100€ cash game ticket. Or maybe they are just idiots 😂 (wouldn't surprise me). Anyway, can't wait to get my avatar and the 100€ ticket (hopefully) once these fools have been banned 🤩

Hands in question (in order of pot size): #1708148099 #1708159090 #1708171297 #1708171787 #1708172004 #1708171492

Bankroll is 308.40€. Played a really long session. Wasn't planning to, but the Deepstack legend was going so well that I ended up playing for about 8 hours. Would've won it too if it wasn't for two players running a chipdumping scheme 🥲 (or so it seemed to me). Oh well, a good profit anyway, was running pretty hot! Maybe I'll post some of the interesting hands later when I have more energy.

I was worried beforehand that something like this would happen, since the format incentivizes it 😄. There were around 5 pretty obvious (IMO) chip-dumping hands played between them, I think you will see it yourself but let me know if you want me to find the hands for you myself.

"bebelusuuuu" and "Ducu8" looks like they were chipdumping @Stubbe-Unibet