Poker Release Notes 3.29

[Stubbe-Unibet]

3 hours ago, novy said:

Hello!

I like the new lobby, think it's much better and things are getting better step by step. I havent playyed for around 2 months, now I would like to get back on track. Can I ask when do we receive the playthrough bonus? Somewhere I read about every 2 weeks on Monday, is that true? So I should receive it today? Or just because I havent reached Lv4 this quarter it's not automatic.

Thank you!

Bonuses are added again next Monday 🙂 Happy to hear you like the development!

[Stubbe-Unibet]

We skip the client release this month and will only have a server one. Adding the promo details below.

Upcoming promotions in this release (September)

• High Hand, 1^st – 31^st October
• October Mission

Currently running in September

• Daily HexaPro Races, 13^th September – 2^nd Nov
• September Mission

Upcoming promotions in October release (preliminary)

• Halloween Mission, 24^th Oct – 30 Oct
• UOS Boost
• UOS 23, 29^th Oct – 20^th Nov
• November Monthly Mission
• Winter Bootcamp 6^th Nov – 10^th Dec

[Wizard]

Is there an affiliate race coming up in Q4 of 2023?

IIRC we used to have one small one per month but now it seems be a big monthly one every couple of months.

I assume its to balance the promos so each quarter has a bootcamp, an XP race and an affiliate race, all on different months?

Edited September 19, 2023 by Wizard

[TequilaSteve]

On 9/18/2023 at 2:50 PM, novy said:

Hello!

I like the new lobby, think it's much better and things are getting better step by step. I havent playyed for around 2 months, now I would like to get back on track. Can I ask when do we receive the playthrough bonus? Somewhere I read about every 2 weeks on Monday, is that true? So I should receive it today? Or just because I havent reached Lv4 this quarter it's not automatic.

Thank you!

 

[Tom Siddle]

On 9/16/2023 at 7:27 PM, Stubbe-Unibet said:

@Tom Siddle, appreciate the feedback! 🙂

As we've already discussed most of this upon Banzai 2.0 launch, I don't see any point going into all that again. All I can say is that there's literally not a single metric supporting "Banzai was made worse". Below a graph showing one of the key metrics and they're all looking very similar.

Is "Banzai 2.0" perfect? No, there're improvements to be made, but objectively speaking there's nothing supporting that it's "worse this year". On the contrary, it's so, so much better. 

What is that graph? Is that amount of players playing?

[Stubbe-Unibet]

53 minutes ago, Tom Siddle said:

What is that graph? Is that amount of players playing?

@Tom Siddle you can pretty much pick any metric and it'll look like that. Hands played, players playing, rake, hands per player etc. Etc.

[Tom Siddle]

28 minutes ago, Stubbe-Unibet said:

@Tom Siddle you can pretty much pick any metric and it'll look like that. Hands played, players playing, rake, hands per player etc. Etc.

The hands played, rake and players playing doesn’t really mean anything. Banzai having its own header section makes a big difference to that. 
 

Im surprised hands played per player is more, cos games break quicker and people find it harder to build bigger stacks. It’s hard to know exactly why. 
 

Hand on heart I have other friends who played this game and we are all fully in agreement that the game got much worse.

I don’t understand how you can’t see this.

The removal of alias takes away the enjoyment of battling a player throughout the day, as their name keeps changing. 
You need to bring back the alias.

5 handed is worse, the inability to keep stack when game breaks is worse. 
The fact that opponents are resetting stacks is boring as well.

 

[novy]

On 9/18/2023 at 6:42 PM, Stubbe-Unibet said:

Bonuses are added again next Monday 🙂 Happy to hear you like the development!

Thank you for info.

Can you please help me in some other situation? There is a security check on my account (this year already for the second time), and I got informed cash out will be unavailable till the process is over, think this one is understandable. But right now the whole poker section is unavailabale on my account, both from the client and from the website. Why is that happening? Thank you.

[Stubbe-Unibet]

14 hours ago, Tom Siddle said:

The hands played, rake and players playing doesn’t really mean anything. Banzai having its own header section makes a big difference to that. 
 

Im surprised hands played per player is more, cos games break quicker and people find it harder to build bigger stacks. It’s hard to know exactly why. 
 

Hand on heart I have other friends who played this game and we are all fully in agreement that the game got much worse.

I don’t understand how you can’t see this.

The removal of alias takes away the enjoyment of battling a player throughout the day, as their name keeps changing. 
You need to bring back the alias.

5 handed is worse, the inability to keep stack when game breaks is worse. 
The fact that opponents are resetting stacks is boring as well.

 

We're going around in circles, so I'll have to refer to my previous replies in the other thread where you said the same things 🙂

[Stubbe-Unibet]

12 hours ago, novy said:

Thank you for info.

Can you please help me in some other situation? There is a security check on my account (this year already for the second time), and I got informed cash out will be unavailable till the process is over, think this one is understandable. But right now the whole poker section is unavailabale on my account, both from the client and from the website. Why is that happening? Thank you.

@novy For some security checks, it's common to block product access for network products to for instance avoid funds being dumped to other accounts. Afraid there's nothing I can do here. Hopefully the document review (if you already sent the requested) will be fast 🙂 

[Tom Siddle]

18 hours ago, Stubbe-Unibet said:

We're going around in circles, so I'll have to refer to my previous replies in the other thread where you said the same things 🙂

How do you know though? Do you play 6 hour sessions on banzai? 
you can only know if it’s better or worse by either being a regular player of long sessions or by surveying loads of players that played a lot both this year and last year.

Ive told you already the metrics don’t mean anything.

You aren’t listening to the feedback of a high volume B20 player last year (as well as two of my friends who also we’re high volume). 
I think cos you were involved in the changes you just blindly defend it to the hills.

[Tom Siddle]

On 9/18/2023 at 5:42 PM, Stubbe-Unibet said:

Bonuses are added again next Monday 🙂 Happy to hear you like the development!

Yeah the design and the new theme is nice, and the music and the arenas, it’s just the gameplay that has been worsened 

[Livertool]

1 hour ago, Tom Siddle said:

it’s just the gameplay that has been worsened 

 

16 hours ago, Tom Siddle said:

Ive told you already the metrics don’t mean anything

 

16 hours ago, Tom Siddle said:

You aren’t listening to the feedback of a high volume B20 player last year (as well as two of my friends who also we’re high volume). 

I am staying out of this overall but just to be clear about what you are saying, none of their data (which is telling them that they have made right decisions) means nothing and they should rather rely on you and two of your friends? Am i getting this right?

 

[Tom Siddle]

18 hours ago, Livertool said:

 

 

I am staying out of this overall but just to be clear about what you are saying, none of their data (which is telling them that they have made right decisions) means nothing and they should rather rely on you and two of your friends? Am i 

Mate it’s because there are other reasons more people are playing.

The game is being marketed better.

And it now has its completely unique section on unibet to its way easier for players to find.

So it’s bound to have more players playing.

They shouldn’t rely on us 3 but we are valuable feedback.

[Livertool]

3 hours ago, Tom Siddle said:

Mate it’s because there are other reasons more people are playing.

The game is being marketed better.

And it now has its completely unique section on unibet to its way easier for players to find.

So it’s bound to have more players playing.

They shouldn’t rely on us 3 but we are valuable feedback.

Like said, i am staying out of this.

I think they appreciate the feedback since they answered you lots but you don't seem to accept other views which in this case is more than legit with data they have. Some like mother some daughter, some incognito play and some not.

[Tom Siddle]

1 hour ago, Livertool said:

Like said, i am staying out of this.

I think they appreciate the feedback since they answered you lots but you don't seem to accept other views which in this case is more than legit with data they have. Some like mother some daughter, some incognito play and some not.

What stake do you play? 
Im not sure about B1 and B5 but B20 the game has been killed, the fun of the game has definitely decreased a lot due to the like the 4-5 reasons I regularly give.

There are still some great games that get deep but the changes just get in the way of the good games.

The games breaking more regularly due to 5 handed, forced resetting stack , intentional ratholing, no alias, and only getting a 2 minute break is bad as well, people go to the toilet and get kicked out.

On my banzai I don’t even have the timer anymore to tell me how long of the break I have left. 
There’s probably been so many times people have been battling and tried to go toilet or answer the door and get kicked out the game.

I know it’s a fun 10bb spin game, but the game isn’t as fun when people are so often on 10 or 20bbs, it makes it just a nash chart shove game.

This is what happens a lot more when the games break, people get kicked out, people rathole, 

Games are good when there’s variety of stacks from 10bb-80bb

plus the rake has increased, which I guess I have to accept as other sites are raking the same, this one I can’t really complain, it’s like inflation, it is what it is.

[Stubbe-Unibet]

5 hours ago, Tom Siddle said:

Mate it’s because there are other reasons more people are playing.

The game is being marketed better.

And it now has its completely unique section on unibet to its way easier for players to find.

So it’s bound to have more players playing.

They shouldn’t rely on us 3 but we are valuable feedback.

 

On 9/23/2023 at 4:21 AM, Tom Siddle said:

How do you know though? Do you play 6 hour sessions on banzai? 
you can only know if it’s better or worse by either being a regular player of long sessions or by surveying loads of players that played a lot both this year and last year.

Ive told you already the metrics don’t mean anything.

You aren’t listening to the feedback of a high volume B20 player last year (as well as two of my friends who also we’re high volume). 
I think cos you were involved in the changes you just blindly defend it to the hills.

Again, you're repeating a lot of stuff I already replied to in more detail in the other thread. You also seem to be ignoring some important aspects:

• The game was not redesigned to make it better for the existing regs. Of course you prefer for it not to be anonymous, so you can easily spot the whale never changing alias or the good regs that are present on all tables and don't change alias as much as they should. However, you continue to make the assumption that your opinion applies to the entire player base. It does not, and you speak for a small minority. Or, you can only really speak for yourself. The game was designed with a mobile-first approach, focusing on the casual player.
• Of course you prefer 6 handed, and so do some other Banzai players. It does not really matter, as the game is supposed to be faster and more enjoyable for the casual player playing a shorter session on mobile.
• Of course you prefer lower rake, but the higher rake giving us the option of running promotions has been an excellent move and one of the key reasons for the game now doing so well.

There should obviously be a balance and it should be possible to still make a profit - and it is, and we still see good traffic from regs. 

Banzai having its own header is only relevant to a few of the KPI's, and you're also significantly overestimating the impact of this. Again, stuff we've already discussed before. 

[Stubbe-Unibet]

7 minutes ago, Tom Siddle said:

What stake do you play? 
Im not sure about B1 and B5 but B20 the game has been killed, the fun of the game has definitely decreased a lot due to the like the 4-5 reasons I regularly give.

There are still some great games that get deep but the changes just get in the way of the good games.

The games breaking more regularly due to 5 handed, forced resetting stack , intentional ratholing, no alias, and only getting a 2 minute break is bad as well, people go to the toilet and get kicked out.

On my banzai I don’t even have the timer anymore to tell me how long of the break I have left. 
There’s probably been so many times people have been battling and tried to go toilet or answer the door and get kicked out the game.

I know it’s a fun 10bb spin game, but the game isn’t as fun when people are so often on 10 or 20bbs, it makes it just a nash chart shove game.

This is what happens a lot more when the games break, people get kicked out, people rathole, 

Games are good when there’s variety of stacks from 10bb-80bb

plus the rake has increased, which I guess I have to accept as other sites are raking the same, this one I can’t really complain, it’s like inflation, it is what it is.

Please read the other thread. You're repeating stuff over and over again, and some of the aspects I've already said I agree with, so you're literally just debating with yourself 🙂 

[Tom Siddle]

You talk so much crap it’s unreal.

Why don’t you understand this feedback I is so solid and obvious.

I don’t just want the games 6 handed because I like playing with more players, I just like the games breaking less. This is even more important now with the resetting of stacks. 
 

The 2 minute sit out time is so bad. 
You have to stare at the screen for hours straight and can’t get a tea or go toilet or answer the door.

It means stacks get reset more often and harder to build a good game. 
 

And yes I do want to know who I’m playing against I don’t deny it. I want to remember how someone has been playing and try to play against them, also remember what they have seen of me (have they seen big bluffs from me etc). That’s the fun of poker, and it’s gone, when someone gets kicked and rejoins, they’re a different name, when game breaks they’re a different name, when they play 2 tables there a different name. Nobody likes it.

 

let’s leave the rake increase behind because I guess I semi accept it.

 

How do you have any idea what impact banzai having its own section has? That’s just a complete guess from you.

This entire thread it’s just like you’re defending it blindly.

I don’t want it to be like hostile, I just cannot see how you don’t see this.

[Stubbe-Unibet]

34 minutes ago, Tom Siddle said:

You talk so much crap it’s unreal.

Why don’t you understand this feedback I is so solid and obvious.

I don’t just want the games 6 handed because I like playing with more players, I just like the games breaking less. This is even more important now with the resetting of stacks. 
 

The 2 minute sit out time is so bad. 
You have to stare at the screen for hours straight and can’t get a tea or go toilet or answer the door.

It means stacks get reset more often and harder to build a good game. 
 

And yes I do want to know who I’m playing against I don’t deny it. I want to remember how someone has been playing and try to play against them, also remember what they have seen of me (have they seen big bluffs from me etc). That’s the fun of poker, and it’s gone, when someone gets kicked and rejoins, they’re a different name, when game breaks they’re a different name, when they play 2 tables there a different name. Nobody likes it.

 

let’s leave the rake increase behind because I guess I semi accept it.

 

How do you have any idea what impact banzai having its own section has? That’s just a complete guess from you.

This entire thread it’s just like you’re defending it blindly.

I don’t want it to be like hostile, I just cannot see how you don’t see this.

Please,please read the previous thread. I for instance said at least 5 times that I'm not against the option to move stack to a new table, when table breaks. Still, you keep on repeating the same thing. I agree with you on some of your thoughts, as I've already made clear on multiple occasions but you've chosen to ignore so your rant can continue. 

What I don't agree with is statements like the above on anonymity and how you continue to state your own opinion as if it's a fact that applies to the entire customer base. It's totally fair that you prefer to know the identity of the other players - any good player would - but it doesn't mean it's the case for the majority of players. Statements like "nobody likes it" are just silly. 

I've not got this blind love for the current mechanics, that you seem to think I do. I've already made this clear on multiple occasions. Fact is just that players are enjoying the games more and the games are doing better. This is speaking about Banzai as a whole and based on retention data etc. (obviously excluding promo impact)

[Tom Siddle]

1 minute ago, Stubbe-Unibet said:

Please,please read the previous thread. I for instance said at least 5 times that I'm not against the option to move stack to a new table, when table breaks. Still, you keep on repeating the same thing. I agree with you on some of your thoughts, as I've already made clear on multiple occasions but you've chosen to ignore so your rant can continue. 

What I don't agree with is statements like the above on anonymity and how you continue to state your own opinion as if it's a fact that applies to the entire customer base. It's totally fair that you prefer to know the identity of the other players - any good player would - but it doesn't mean it's the case for the majority of players. Statements like "nobody likes it" are just silly. 

I've not got this blind love for the current mechanics, that you seem to think I do. I've already made this clear on multiple occasions. Fact is just that players are enjoying the games more and the games are doing better. This is speaking about Banzai as a whole and based on retention data etc. (obviously excluding promo impact)

 

 

Yeah you can have me saying ‘no one likes it’ is silly. I would say from experience that it’s likely that most people don’t like it though.

But I’m gunna for sure have you saying that ‘players are enjoying the game more’ is silly. 
Even if there is more players I’d be shocked it this was true. And seems another guess from you.

I only repeat my reasons (for the decline of the game) as a reply whenever you say the game has improved.

[fornicator99]

 

1 hour ago, Tom Siddle said:

Nobody likes it.

 

 

Was fun watching this  for a while but this just burns my eyes. It's obvious that no reg likes it but how do you know about what recs think?  I've seen mentioned the notion of "fun". They only people for which the games need to be fun are the recs and they seem to like it otherwise they wouldn't continue to lose money. You just keep repeating the obvious complaints of a reg and basically want NL200 but with banzai spaz fish that get it in with top pair 200 bb deep. I get it, I would love it too, it was fun while it lasted, but games change and everyone needs to adapt. my 2c
@Stubbe-Unibet Would it be possible to share some insight about how the game changed? Are there regs that do better, are recs losing slower, are there more new players than before, etc?

Edited September 24, 2023 by fornicator99

[Tom Siddle]

1 hour ago, fornicator99 said:

 

Was fun watching this  for a while but this just burns my eyes. It's obvious that no reg likes it but how do you know about what recs think?  I've seen mentioned the notion of "fun". They only people for which the games need to be fun are the recs and they seem to like it otherwise they wouldn't continue to lose money. You just keep repeating the obvious complaints of a reg and basically want NL200 but with banzai spaz fish that get it in with top pair 200 bb deep. I get it, I would love it too, it was fun while it lasted, but games change and everyone needs to adapt. my 2c
@Stubbe-Unibet Would it be possible to share some insight about how the game changed? Are there regs that do better, are recs losing slower, are there more new players than before, etc?

I honestly hand on heart can say every reason I give is for the enjoyment of the game and not to just set up the game for maximum chance of screwing a fish.

Im barely even a reg I just play a long session every two weeks or so.

 

[Tom Siddle]

1 hour ago, fornicator99 said:

 

Was fun watching this  for a while but this just burns my eyes. It's obvious that no reg likes it but how do you know about what recs think?  I've seen mentioned the notion of "fun". They only people for which the games need to be fun are the recs and they seem to like it otherwise they wouldn't continue to lose money. You just keep repeating the obvious complaints of a reg and basically want NL200 but with banzai spaz fish that get it in with top pair 200 bb deep. I get it, I would love it too, it was fun while it lasted, but games change and everyone needs to adapt. my 2c
@Stubbe-Unibet Would it be possible to share some insight about how the game changed? Are there regs that do better, are recs losing slower, are there more new players than before, etc?

It’s not really adapting is it, it’s just easier now cos it’s closer to nash open shove and 3b shove ranges. 
 

We can’t really know the enjoyment level players are experiencing can we .
As I’ve said before the increased number of players is for different reasons than these gameplay changes. 
 

Everything I’m saying is just so obvious 

[fornicator99]

8 hours ago, Tom Siddle said:

We can’t really know the enjoyment level players are experiencing can we .

 

Imo, as I said, a good indicator of enjoyment for recs, without actually having the data,  might be the fact that the games are running with pretty good numbers. While regulars have other motives for playing despite games not being "fun",  the only logical reason for recs to continuously pour money is if they are satisfied with what they pay for.