CuteRaven

Nah I'm "ShavingHurts", have had a lucky run so far. Just saw SC00Ps doing the "sick" emoji when it was happening so I was wondering 😄

Edit: Oh yeah I remeber Abv, somehow didn't notice that it's the same name

Are u SC00ps? If so GL. And yeah that was really ugly...some real whales in the game sometimes 😅

You must have a bunch of 250€ tickets already? I admire the patience of playing all the 50€ tickets first before touching the 250€ ones 😀. What happens if you win multiple packages to Malta?

Bankroll is now 143.35€

After the last update I decided that I would try to complete the July mission. It's complete now but it took quite a bit of effort. 😅 That involved playing all kinds of different types of poker games. I probably lost 50€ or more playing tournaments (not cashing the 5€ rebuy or addon tournaments if you rebuy/addon really adds up fast), so I'm not sure how worth it it was 😂 (involved some bad runs but also some big punts on my part).

Cash games went well on the other hand, especially PLO. I feel like I'm sort of figuring out how to play PLO, but I still don't know what I'm doing half the time. Still, it feels like I'm already better than most of the 4€ PL pool. Feels like most players are wayyy underbluffing and overfolding (apart from the whales). So something like 80-90% of my bluffs go through and mostly I can safely fold to lots of aggression because I know that they usually have it.

I also rolled a 100x 1€ buy-in Hexa, it really caught me off-guard, wasn't expecting it to happen 😀. Unfortunately I busted in third 🥲. Congrats to _ALOHA_ for winning it.

Playing cash always involves a bunch of fun hands, here's my favorite:

MP raises and I 3-bet in the cutoff. Button and SB cold call and MP calls:

Nice flop for me, but you would think this is not really and action flop right? Wrong! SB, first to act just jams it in and everyone else also goes all-in. Guess which hand wins it?

PLO has generally also gone well, these are the sorts of stacks you can often expect to have in a 4€ PLO session (with the help of a bit of run-good of course 😉😞

Overall after playing a bit of everything, PLO and also bounty tournaments surprised me with how much I enjoyed playing them. I said earlier that I hate tournaments, and that's still true for the non-bounty ones, but the bounty tourneys actually have something to do in the early stages for a tournament fish like me (like desperately chasing bounties with crappy hands), so I kinda like them 😄.

I also recently unlocked L4 of the loyalty system, this is what the "school" section of gamelab says about my texas holdem cash game play:

Call preflop: 7%

Raise preflop: 24%

cbet flop: 58%

reraise: 12%

fold to reraise: 38%

position meter: BTN 35 > CO 26 > MP 28 > UTG 25

showdown when flop seen: 33%

Maybe I should fold a bit more overall 😄

@PurpsThanks for confirming it. And nice run, took me a few hours of 4 tabling PLO to get it 😂

In round 6 you have to "get a red pocket queens" (QhQd). Does it apply to Omaha too? 😄

Only takes 153 hands of PLO on a median run of cards, but 919 hands of NLHE (a proper grind 😅).

On 7/10/2022 at 1:53 AM, Turbo_Boy said:

troll nickname hits different 😉 +1k eur

Seems like you have some talent not only for poker but also for hitting these 100x prize pools 😂. Also, thanks for the confirmation that troll nicknames are GTO!

On 7/10/2022 at 4:58 PM, Rushbie said:

Sometimes success cannot even keep up with smart peoples potetential. 

GL 🙂

Thanks! Unfortunately variance wasn't on my side today.

I played some 10€ HU SnG earlier today, and I was running really badly, I was losing most of the all ins and my opponents were making all the bigger hands. But I made some mistakes too, I was tilting a bit towards the end and I made some bad call-downs (but wow, some players never seem to bluff! I should just be better at folding everything 😂). I also played 4 tables at one point, which is a bit too much (3 is still fine, maybe 2 if the opponents are really tough). In the end my bankroll fell all the way down to about 24€. I should've also stopped playing the 10€ level a bit sooner.

I think it's a good lesson for me to be more careful with tilt and know to stop playing sooner.

Later today I played a bunch of the 4€ 5 player SNGs and was able to recover my BR to 70.84€.

Here is an interesting hand in a 5 player SNG. I didn't really have reads on villain at the point of the hand.

Preflop: The SNG has 4 players left with pretty even stacks. Action folded to me and I limped into the pot with 54s in the small blind, and villain checked.

Flop: I flop the nuts and bet half pot, villain calls. I should have more Ax than villain, because villain would probably re-raise a lot of the better Ax preflop. Villain can probably still have A3 and A2 as well as some 2x and 3x, but also many hands that want to fold.

Turn: On the turn the A pairs. A2 and A3 would be full houses now, beating my straight, but I can still get value from flush draws and other Ax as well as probably some of the 2x and 3x. I bet full pot and villain calls.

River: River comes the J of hearts, completing the flush draw. I'm beaten by a lot of hands now. There are a bunch of flushes, as well as A2 and A3. Probably 2x and 3x are unlikely to call if I jam the river. Of the worse hands, I think usually only the Ax that didn't re-raise preflop are calling me on the river. I think villain can have 30-40 combos of flushes as well as 8-12 combos of A2 and A3, compared to maybe 30-50 combos of Ax that I still beat (this is a rough estimate and could be way off if villain re-raises hands on some street).

Anyway, I go all in and get called by 8h6h for the flush. I wonder if I should check the river (and probably check call because villain could bet worse Ax maybe)? For this hand the result would be the same 😂, but I could profit if villain bluffs into me, and avoid overplaying a hand that's pretty mediocre by the river?

This would be a great feature. I never notice the hand ID during a hand. The hand ID is currently how you can search for hands, but most people remember the hand they had in a memorable hand.

I think simply adding support for searching for "J3" or "AA" (without suits), would be better and simpler. Maybe if you wanted to get fancy you could have a suited-offsuit-all toggle button in the search menu. It would also be a nice way to go back and see how you play certain hands to spot mistakes in your own game 😀

Came home at around 1 am from work and played HU SNG for a few hours, first the 4€ and then the 10€. Pretty happy with how I played, and even happier with how I ran 🤩. BR is 162.81 € now.

I know the shot taking is a bit risky but the BR is still pretty small so I don't really mind losing some bigger share of it (also I probably have some degen gambler genes in me). But karma will probably give me a downswing soon.

Bankroll is now 75.49€. I've been running quite well. I think most of the winnings are from 2€ and 4€ HU SNG, but I also won a little bit in 4 € Omaha and Texas holdem cash games (while nothing else than cash was running earlier today) and some 5 man SNGs.

HU still seems to be the most fun game for me. Omaha was also surprisingly fun though I don't really know what I'm doing whenever I play it :D. Maybe if Unibet adds no limit Omaha SNGs I would play Omaha more often 😅

I'm not going to play much for the next few days because of work.

Here's the console output if it's useful

Can confirm that browser client doesn't workt work

1 hour ago, P0kerM0nk said:

Edited 1 hour ago by P0kerM0nk

I'm trying to wrap my head around how this player in the HJ got into the pot with 27s 😂. My guess is that preflop went limp, raise, call. Then villain went all in after seeing the flop?

Edit: nevermind, you can see the "raise" and "call" text above the player names 🤔

I haven't played on many of the days after the last post, since there's all kinds of nice summer activities to enjoy 🏊‍♂️🍺. The days that I have played have been a rollercoaster for my bankroll. My bankroll is 25.94 €, but at it's lowest point it was at about 3€ after some runbad (and a bit of playbad too). I was able to regain some after running a lot better at the 1€ SNGs (5 mans). Probably most of you won't agree looking at my results, but I think my game is starting to pretty good compared to the first days and I'm pretty happy with how I played (with some exceptions).

BTW, J3o is a lucky hand for me suddenly 😂? Here is a hand I won after shoving preflop BvB (button open folded) as the big stack on the bubble of a 1€ 5 player SNG. Villain was a mass multi-tabling reg (yes those exist even at these stackes), so I assumed they would have some idea about ICM (I wouldn't make this jam against other sorts of players at these stakes).

I'm not sure how good my shove (or villains call) was this time theoretically 😛

On 6/30/2022 at 1:14 PM, GR1ZZL3R said:

I'm sure you know the answer to this, you've already more or less said so, but is anyone at the micro stakes really trying to play GTO. The whole point of it is that it can only be useful against others playing the same way.

Well a true GTO strategy is unbeatable by any other strategy, but not the most profitable strategy against real life players (who never play true GTO even at the highest stakes). But in my opinion there is actually a lot to learn from GTO. Some of the plays that are GTO are pretty cool, and I sometimes watch some videos where "Deepstack AI" or "Pluribus AI"  (some bots created by universities that are meant to be close to GTO) are playing against human opponents to get ideas for things to add to my own game. Also things like opening ranges are part of "GTO" even though most people don't think of it that way.

But yeah I'm maybe nitpicking here, generally I agree with you. I never really know what people mean when they say "GTO" since different people seem to mean different things. Some people use "playing GTO" to mean never deviating from a strong base strategy, others mean having a strong base "GTO" strategy but being willing to deviate from it.

On 6/30/2022 at 9:29 PM, WuDu said:

I think you should have either went AI on the flop right away or simply let go. Calling down is the worst choice.

Going all in would have been interesting (against a different sort of player). I think going all in is the best against someone who valuebets and calls down the raise very thin (with something like 88 or KJ). But against someone overly bluffy, who would fold their bluffs against a flop allin, I think calling down is the best option. Sure they will get there sometimes, but a lot of the time they will miss and you will win a massive pot. When you go all-in and fold out their bluffs you don't win that much.

But maybe you are right about letting flop go, it was just a really small raise but maybe still 🤔. But at least turn I should've folded.

2 minutes ago, SkilfulPoker said:

So far so good lads, up about 2.5 stacks , 11 at night, genna try and go for another 4 hours!

GL on the session 🔥

Since the last update, I pretty much busted my original bankroll ( I was taking shots at 10 € HU because I was getting tired of having such a small bankroll). I then reloaded for 40€, and lost about 20€ mostly at the 1€ Hexapros (because no other SNG game modes were properly running and I got tempted). Maybe I'm truly becoming a proper fish 😆 (or maybe I always have been 🤔).

I have been a bit surprised at how low the volume is on Unibet compared to 2020, I guess the corona poker boom is mostly over and people are enjoying the summer weather. It makes sense, but the contrast is bigger than I expected.

Well the good news is that after that I was able to get my bankroll "back" to 32.27€ by grinding the 1€ and 2€ SNGs (both HU and 5 handed). I enjoyed playing especially the 5 handed games, it's kind of relaxing only playing 4 tables of those (since in the browser version you are capped to 4 tables only). The other bit of good news is that I feel like I'm relearning quickly, or at least making steady progress with my level of play. I took a look at some preflop ranges today (I had somewhat forgotten about how trigger happy you should be with the all-in button in HU SNG). I'm also slowly getting rid of my dumbest bluffs and "blowups".

I also made the decision that I won't be playing more Hexapro at least until I'm properly rolled (100+ buyins or so), no more getting tempted by it 😄

This was the most memorable hand of the session, and the one I was least happy about:

I min-raise the button with ATo, a very tight player calls in small blind. Flop is T32 rainbow. I cbet about 1/3 pot, villain raises small. My immediate thought is that this particular villain has 22 or 33 here 90% of the time, since they don't seem to bluff ever. I call the flop raise.

Turn comes 5s, which is basically a brick unless villain was bluffing the flop with A4 suited (which I block and don't think it's something this villain would do anyway). Villain bets turn about 2/3 pot, and I call once again. In hindsight, at this point I think maybe I should just fold. Unless villain overvalues something like KTs or AT of hearts, or decided to start bluffing suddenly (both seem unlikely to me), I'm basically always beat here.

River comes 8c, about the brickiest brick possible. Villain jams for slightly over pot and I call like an idiot. Villain shows me 33.

I feel like I usually regret not trusting my reads more than I ever regret trusting them. I think I should just more bravely follow my reads even if it means bigger deviations from GTO (especially at these stakes).

On 6/25/2022 at 12:37 PM, P0kerM0nk said:

Fancy spot next, UTG opens, MP calls, I squeeze and SB whale coldcalls and rest calls as well so we see a flop 4 way and the pot is 45BB already. Flop x through, I guess I could cb flop for 1/5 maybe having the Td but vs 3 it's prob a bit thin. Turn J pretty bad, very good chance one has a J and possibly still slowplaying a flush at this point. But whale bets out 1/2 and UTG and MP fold so at this point I'm not ready to fold yet lol. This is more about reads as he's a bit of the spazzy type of whale. Then at the river he bets out just under 1/3 which could still be a flush on a scary board now, or a 7, or another random pp. Can't see him having a J as he would jam that. Not folding for that 1/3 price and there we go 43o... nh.

I think the turn J is maybe the best card in the deck apart from a T (less likely they have Jx which had you beat anyway, and a diamond has too many reverse imlied odds). Anyway looks WP to me.

On 6/25/2022 at 12:37 PM, P0kerM0nk said:

Another fancy spot BvB, can't remember exact preflop actions but went x/x to the riv where I then bet and he raised which didn't make sense to me so I re-raised and he folded anyway lol. He maybe knows I'm stabbing too much on the river when it x down or he raised some weird Jx hand? Having the T is good for blocking some str draws imo. Not a lot of people would x a flush till the river as most would bet their draw on the flop and if not bet the turn when they have the flush.

Cool bluff! Villains river raise doesn't make much sense to me either (unless maybe some tight player who never bluffs and gets there with T9 specifically or some J7, J2 depending on preflop).

Just some thought from a spazzy cash fish 🔥

3 hours ago, P0kerM0nk said:

These weird things, can't remember pre flop exactly, 3b TT vs UTG reg, get 4b small I think, I call, call small flop cb although not happy ofc, then jams turn whilst I still have 108BB behind... wtf is that meant to be...

 

Again 3b pot vs a reg... what is this, think I 3b then cb flop and x turn and get jammed on lol, similar board as above... am I missing something?

Strange decisions by villain(s). I think it's not very good on double flush boards, when you price out flush draws. Maybe on rainbow unpaired boards it could make some sense. But especially in the second hand, when villain shouldn't have much KK, JJ or AK (and you might have some of these hands even though you the check turn), it just looks to me like a "please don't call me" bluff. Maybe once in a while they show up with 77 or something. Would be curious to know their holdings XD.

3 hours ago, P0kerM0nk said:

2 next pics same hand. Somehow a 4b pot but can't remember action, then BB donks flop, MP raises, don't see any point in raising as I would just blow the BB out...

I wonder if you could fold KK here after BB jams. I think usually the villains will collectively show up with two of the following three hands: a set, a flush, or AsX. I think I would think about folding and then end up calling like you did 😅

2 hours ago, P0kerM0nk said:

These are meant to be regs and just don't understand what happens here, I open KK he calls in BB, I bet flop he calls and then instantly he donks turn, so quick it's like he uses some software or something, so bizarre. Can't remember if I called or not...

The turn donk makes sense to me as an exploitative move against many of the regs who auto-cbet 100% range on many flops and therefore check way too many turns. It's kind of like a check-raise but you get to see the turn first, and villain probably has a lot of 9x that has an incentive to push action. IDK what this specific villain was thinking about but I could see myself maybe donking turn (probably for a smaller amount) in this situation.

Fun how much discussion one hand generated! Just goes to show how complicated poker is, which is a good thing for the game. Solvers are a useful tool, but they won't help you in game (unless you are cheating). Speaking of cheating, it is a worrying and seemingly growing problem in poker from what I can tell. The risk/reward seems to be pretty good for people without moral concerns. There also isn't much players can do but report suspicious players and trust the poker sites, since most poker sites are kind of black boxes to a greater or lesser. Well, I expect the problem to just get worse in the medium term, but on the other hand I do hope for the best. Online chess is still very much alive, despite strong chess engines (or chess bots, to use poker lingo) having been available for the last 20 years or so (though online chess mostly isn't played for money). 

Anyway, I played some SNGs (of both types, and of the 1€, 2€ and 4€ stakes) and 1€ Hexapros in the last few days. I ran really badly in the Hexapros (lost about 15€ in maybe 15 minutes to 30 minutes) and the 4€ HU SNGs (lost about 25€ in an hour at those stakes), so my bankroll fell to 21,70€. I realize I'm not really bankrolled for the 4€ SNGs and 1€ Hexapros, but the fate of having to redeposit doesn't sound that bad given the amounts of money involved. I'm mostly pretty happy with how I played, though I need to brush up on some of the push fold ranges (and having a loss always motivates me to have study sessions, which is a nice silver lining for all the losing sessions that I have). Hopefully I will eventually get a win-rate higher than the inflation rate 😅.

I had a pretty relaxing Juhannus (midsummer), managed to stay away from the alcohol, so I slept pretty well and didn't get hungover :D. The summer weather is melting me and my brain though 🔥, I might set up camp in a hammock in the forest to escape the apartment (here in Finland they are designed to keep heat in, and not the other way round), and air-conditioned libraries have suddenly become much more attractive.

@EstzenI think the main difference between your sim and the one by Andy is that ICMizer assumes that SB is only capable of limping hands, which means that a lot of the relatively good hands that could be jams are included in the ICMizer limping range. Overall, this means that ICMizer gives SB a much stronger limping range than HRC, which makes jamming a lot worse for BB in the case of your ICMizer calculation. Also turning on FGS on ICMizer would probably have some effect on the ranges.

And looking at the SB calling off range that you readjusted: I don't think this villain (or most players) would limp call stuff like T7s, even at these stakes 😆.

I'm not trying to say that jamming J3o is particularly good, but your sim has some flaws IMO.

@Andy-UnibetThanks for running it! Interesting that it is (theoretically) as profitable as it is and though J3o probably isn't a jam, it seems to be (theoretically) pretty close between jamming and checking.

Also really interesting that the optimal SB range is polarized like that. Makes sense in hindsight, you get to profitably limp in some trashy hands that can't reasonably jam if your limping range is protected by some really nutted stuff.

I wonder why HCR wants SB to limp-call with 77 but limp-fold with 88 (whenever SB limps instead of open jams 88). 88 has some reverse blockers to trashy parts of the BB jamming range? That pretty weird 😂.

I think realistically this player in SB is folding way more than that. My very rough guess is that SB limps or open jams about 50% at most, probably closer to 40%. And I don't think SB ever jams anything close to stuff like 54s or T6s. I also think SB probably calls a jam more than 3.8%. Maybe SB calls with something like a 10% range, hard to say. I'm not an expert either 😄. But no need to rerun it.

@WuDu Can't really say I disagree. Well, what can I say, I definitely tend towards being an aggro-donk when it comes to my leaks in game 🔥.

But yeah, especially when 90+% of players probably call jams too wide at these stakes, and when I (hopefully) should have a post-flop edge, just checking makes more sense in practice.

@Stubbe-Unibet@GR1ZZL3RThanks! Great to see you guys are still around too.

Probably won't play much or at all for the rest of the week. Finncrisp-bro is going to be enjoying Juhannus in the Finnish countryside. I'll return for some games next week at least!

18 minutes ago, Estzen said:

 

@CuteRavenThanks for the output . So in terms of ICM, its pretty hard to say if something is correct or not without knowing all the other stacksizes, because thats whats it all about. One of the most important things in these situations is if and whom you cover with your stack. If its a HU hand with jamming J3 vs a SB limp, then there probably are better spots, but then again, if someone overfolds and is very tight, its not so bad if you are very shallow, cuz the guy over-folds anyway and almost everything starts to become +EV if he does so. Its not a combo we really would like to jam tho . At those HU matches(SNG 5-men with 2 ITM) since both are playng basically for the 1st place then there is not really much of an ICM to talk about. There would be more ICM to talk about if it would be 3 players ITM. Probably the biggest question in these SNG5s is how we need to be playng in the 3player bubble situations - because thats where biggest mistakes are made. 

 

Thanks! I am aware that there is no ICM in HU situations, or in any other situations with only one payout that is being played for. This particular hand was on the bubble (so it was 3 handed, and I cover both of the other players, but the stack sizes are pretty even for all three players). I was thinking that the small blind limper is meant to fold a lot because of the ICM dynamic (and that he might also jam instead of limp some of his stronger hands, though in this case he showed up with QQ). Of course if the small blind doesn't know about ICM and calls way too much, my jam with J3o is definately bad.

I guess some sort of ICM calculator would be needed to properly solve the situation, but i hindsight probably I would need to have a bigger lead in chips as the big stack, or the third player would have to be really short stacked to make this worth jamming.

40 minutes ago, P0kerM0nk said:

Drag the picture in to your post or use the choose files link, sometimes it shows up but mostly it's underneath and you need to click the insert tag when you hover over the picture to insert the picture in to your post, random system I know.

Thanks, but that's not what my bug is, I'm able to add a picture, but the picture itself is completely bugged out (I readded it into the original post for context) 🤣