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2 hours ago, Farseer said:

No luck today, except bad one. Got lots of tickets, one 1,7k$ cash (though had sold shares from it) but no other scores and buy-ins were so high that ended up at break-even.

A quick question I have been asking elsewhere too: if you must choose between these options: 5 gamedays a week 6 hours each, 4 gamedays a week 8 hours of each or 3 gamedays a week 6 hours each which would you choose?

4 game days 8 hours.

I always hate too when specially weekends go into hole , and probably wanting things too fast is probably our common enemy. Probably a lot of combined stress is really eating you right now getting these -800 a day stuff isnt really always easy to take and its normal. But it gets even worse when we start to force it and try . Get level headed you are enough rational guy for that. You are up , despite all the downs. Play 50s only with sats. Move down. Its only a matter of time where you are back again . Just a rational stop loss and reconsidering. 

You are well enought to get back in for sure, I know it. You know it.  You just need to get level headed and accept it. You will be doing fine dont overthink it 😉 . Dont focus on that emotion, think about that the margins will not be out of line still and it is valid that it can happen. The sad part is it happend like this. ... You can control you actions . Re-focus and turn it over. The more you think about the loss as a big negative the more you assume that its somehow really unjust . Rewire the whole idea. It sucks, but you are too good player to punt it. If you feel like shit, dont play. Maybe thats needed . 

I had a stressful wake up, my kid yelling all the start today was such a bad .. I got to ate 2 hours later rather than 1 hour. Atm still down, but my whole mindset turned around after starting to listen music and just zone out of this quiet random mindset. 

 Im not your girlfriend, but Im with you. 

I say Hello, to all the losing players ranting about cheating "because it feels so". 20 years is pretty meaningless if its not your only income by that time ... . Random intution talking about cheating. Of course when you get screwed constantly .... "it must be cheating" , because most players in the game are believing to be winning players. Most of these players are not anything different from slot players chaging bet sizes "to hit better". 

not always 😉 its hard to get the real gist when some players who you could believe to think such way as a capability use sarcasm 😄

On 04/05/2024 at 12:31, GR1ZZL3R said:

   I actually have a far simpler strategy on the cash tables. If two players (or more ) go all in and I KNOW I have the worst hand, 72o, 93o, 75o, etc etc etc then I simply call, KNOWING that their AKs, JJ, or even AA are absolute toast and can never ever EVER win. 

    

IT DOES WORK.

And you wonder why you are losing LOL. 

if you win 3 times with 72 because of this scenario, if thats a worth proof for anyone ... its just absolutely crazy. .... Well we wonder why recs cant win. 😄 If strats like these are the answer , on a serious note, I ll just keep taking that money. Its also probably the reason why I see 4bet calls with 54o vs my goods and people just punting even at Supernova 100 . 😄 ... dont study, dont use math. Just jam 93o and 72s - wins will skyrocket! Specially vs 3 people!

Very nice! 

Well, I didnt mean that bankroll is meaningless when you are losing, what I meant was that. At least you have some kind of roll to play with. Which is good to see.

In terms of time sessions and cash. 

Imo you should leave games only when you feel that you will lose your head.. 

Otherwise, cash grind is like one big eternal session of hands that go, on-and-on. Dont weight it over, how much you are up or down from one day. Would you have more money if you would have left? 

You would also have less hours then. And these hours matter. 

Really would like you to get breakin even and ++. 

Just learn every week/day .. and make notes, make conspects. 

Get better. Put in the hours. 

Time management is relevant of when you start to be less focused .. or feel that you are not in the right mind. - otherwise’ dont quit your games by "protecting the money". Just doesnt work that way. Specially when you get a good table... dont leave it, smash it. 

/ I went to a bar poker game with 6 euros today. I busted with AK , one all in was T6s, the other was JTs. Both called my jam. I just wanted to see the place, im in another town , just chilling alone. AirBnB etc.  Ill skip the Title Fight and stuff like that tomorrow but probably will play ay least something because it shouldnt be day off but it kinda is. 😆🤣. My point is there is nonsense constantly happening, be better than nonsense, and find hours to put in volume. Volume is your poker life line. 

The key of improvement is progession. How would you answer this question: 

What is the difference between you playng poker right now vs one year ago? 

When I ask this question myself, I tend to think year by year, that I was horrible compared to what I know. It is usually because the progress just develops so much that you understand how shallow the past has really been. 

The mental side can be a big hurdle, but it can be also a correlation due to just constantly making mistakes and hence losing. Therefore, stress levels increase because the losing is with constant intervals. So its not only about developing a mental game directly, but understanding that less developed understanding  about the game leads to lower mental game as a correlate. 

As right of right now, having a losing winrate its comforting to see that you are about €200 euros in with BP+money. Old school buyin rules were like 20 buyins for cash. Ive heard many use like 50 buyins. In one podcast I heard one crusher say he plays with 100 or 200 because it takes a lot more stress away and downers are much more "affordable". Playngs NL 500, and 1Ks. that freakin a lot. ... 

My point is, with negative winrate, 20 buyins would be ridiculous in any sense 😄 . And at least you are not handing down NL10 to give your money away faster. Which some guys would certainly do. So at least somewhat protected - but if there is no improvement ... nothing will really change. 

Btw, proabably feels really shity to get 10buyins a win and then see it all going away. It constantly feels like a validation that "I can do it". Yet the most important fact isnt actually this graph or a day. The most important question is: "What did I dont know 1 week ago?" "What Have I really changed?" ... From where will my winrate improve?

What  have I really done to archive it? 

Or is it . "Last time it didnt go too well, but I ll keep tryng maybe this time it goes better" <- thats just blind hope with no real difference. Its like pooring water from the sink that is leaking and hoping that the leak has just erased by itself. And you can still fill the glass from time to time, but the bills are a lot bigger. 

I hope it theres a gist for focus. May your game improve like plants in the garden - but plants need water to do it. 

Oh that too. 20BB usually starts to like limping strat a lot, but vs some passive players, raising just out performs so much when the dont defend rightly, nor even Jam properly

Havent seen the total ranges there, what do you mean by calling off T9s JTs? , you mean jamming them pre? 

HU is pretty complex stuff, from time to time I look over the stuff again and revisit, but its something I need to get much more into cuz its sometimes pretty frustrating. Its pretty crazy how different it all really is. 

Would be interesting to see post-flop stuff from Wiz. Imo always a benefit no matter what. 

I ll look tha up when I get GTOwiz up again. No the hand is preflop, I thought you were sayng pre also. 

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  I'm not totally convinced on that argument. 

1. Millions of hands down? No. 

2. When "EVEN" High Rollers have their swings , well aparently you cant have some winning 30BB/100 at 1kNL either - so the swings are much easier to come because everyones winrate is lower.  PEOPLE HAVE LESS EDGE AGAINST EACH OTHER, EVEN WHEN THEY HAVE AN EDGE. 

3. 4NL is like 2NL in Unibet really. No you cant be winning and have 150k hands in total... I can believe someone being 50k hands long  downers and so ... but 150k and not up... no its not varience, never is. 

4. The TT is an easy fold specially when Multiway and vs 4bet .... thats not really even a read, that 4NL reality. 

ANyway, while these things maybe hard to admit, the focus isnt that "Hey, you suck" . The focus is: Look, right now you are bleeding money... and you can change it if you work on your game - actually. Actively. 

Timeouted with JJ in sloberknocker qualify. but I hope it was worth a fold to write it 😄 . 

A champion's, Champion Shelf.

hmmm I guess I dont remember how to do it 😄

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https://pasteboard.co/IY90OJ7G8fTM.png not sure what your talking about 😄 

There isnt flop re-raises, where do you get that from ? There certainly is. 

Would like to see data 😄 . @Samba

@GR1ZZL3R in GGnetwork, there are many guys with 300k winnings, 1million winnings etc and being super losers. Some guys just play super big games out of their bankroll, sometimes they hit their win .. and that boosts their "earning" - while they are net down in all graphs they have. 😄 In my old PC I had a screenshot posted some 665k down line that is going ... impressive. Probably lots of loans back there too.

Well , how big are the blinds? What was the action prior? 

In some scenarios, jamming flop may actually not be terrible because at JTx its a thing, here its J9 two-tone tho with multiway . 

If its just a non-3bet pot, we are usually raising our bottom sets large or, in multiway here we could just check-raise them. 

150k hands is also showing, that right now you are just not beating that game. This is not varience. So it would be very important to actually gain more understanding on these things written above. Also looking some materials about these and to advance your knowledge, because if you dont - nothing will change, the going down the trail just continues with few winning ups and some break-even lines... 

In order to win, you need to: make less mistakes than others,

and know more than others. 

Otherwise, you make more mistakes than others and know less than others - by which all your money is flowing towards others not the otherway around.

Cheers!

I would say, if you wanna work on beating micros, it really comes down to few simple things. 

* Not punting with random hands. 

* Knowing your Opening ranges, and opponents calling ranges. 

* Fliping with premium hands with no hesitation - because playerpool calls wider than they should. So all value just prints. (In cash tho, need to assess that AQ and AJ is not the same hand as in MTTs)

* 3betting is benefitial already for isolation and avoiding multiway pots. 

* Out of Position is where you loose most of your money. Look up what is cash game Big Blind defence ACTUALLY. <- and defend it rigorously like that with almost no adjustment, worry about adjustments when you get better , adjustments only confuse focus if you wanna just get over the curve. ... What happens from there is... you pay less rake and you lose less from the BB defending which in overall boosts your winrate. 

* Small Blind is super tight.... and no there is no suited connector calling like in tournaments. Only Broadway related 9x suited+ 

* Dont call from the Small Blind, only 3bet.(IN cash ) 

* Learning to understand Pot Odds and MDF. Not necessarily always counting them, but already having a grasp of ... is a benefit. 

I think the usually thing is very nitty straight-forward game in the player pool. Afraid to loose and tryng to double up from good hands. Playng very passive ways which miss EV from passive players who dont bet themselves. Having a strong top pair and betting 40% or 60% when turn has gone check check. These super afraid river bets where players dont understand that if someone wont believe you he will call pot+ with 3rd pair.. instead of betting small betting larger - no1 will build the pots for you, you have to do it yourself. 

The other guys are the maniac punters who open 23o from UTG cuz why not, and call 54s vs a 4bet because "I feel it might be coming" . <- Against these we can take even more advantage off. 

@Samba While the 3betting is very important, we are for sure not 3betting K6o region in cash ever. Thats more of a 40 BB slivers vs BTN in MTTs. We generally dont wanna put much effort to Offsuit combos in cash cz they mostly suck deep stacked. Most 3bets come from Suited connectors, Suited aces and Kx suited. 

With offsuit can just light money on fire. 

In overall - I dont play cash much at all, but I certainly know something about it. I dont like the grind of it, despite the swings are smaller. Also to me it seems, in MTT starter could get few hundred up in  week. While in cash someone could play a month and still have almost non significant up, or like to get up to 200 with 4NL ... I have no idea how much would it take.  But its everyones preferences, MTTs take time. Everything has its benefits.  Now @GR1ZZL3R start reading this post every time. 😄

"even with AKs, or jam with JJ"

I mean , JJ maybe to some - jamming can sure be bad vs uber-nit who has 2 or 3% 3betting overall... , but if you are folding AKs or AK to 3bets <- thats out right crazy. Also JJ should still be looking flops. You certainly shouldnt be Tighter than the charts as they are already very tight, most people never play like this. ... Now I wanna point out on key thing for you:

As a caller, sure there could be some adjustments vs some players. But it shouldnt be thought about one individual line, even if you lose that 1 or 2 or 5 times in a row every single time, from these times... it doesnt prove that you lose by making these calls. It just shows that you lost these times. If you are very tight, you may also project in some situations "what would I do" to the players,  but that doesnt work . Because players are all over the place really.. by making so nitty folds, only makes you win a lot less money, because usually these spots print. ... Probably a lot of results oriented thinking when you try to clear a ticket. If some ticket busts, it should be actually okay, if the overall theory actually is solid. Cannot underestimate how big the varience tree can sometimes be... but by avoiding not to go bust by avoiding plays, is really shooting to our own foot. Making some of these mistakes, is certainly something that will hold down real growth and getting better at the game. 

Also a note, 3betting in cash is very important. However, people 4bet tighter than they should. 

A good question to ask your own self too, is how much 3bets do you have yourself ? 

Looking forward getting it much better, if you have started, you can do it much better! 😉 

16 hours ago, Samba said:

I'd make sure those ranges are configured to a similar rake structure as unibet since they could be way off.

The flora in your garden looks very similar to an english garden, where do you live?

P.S. Yeah it is called Ivy

While I agree that rake is very important in cash, I wouldnt actually worry too much about it, specially in Unibet, for few reasons. 

Most people play very much out of line from the charts, that means that the calling ranges they get into the pots with are mostly -EV plays and way wide. In tern, that also means that sometimes even wider than a chart that would be with 0 rake implemented would overperform vs populations, because the opponent responses are going to overcompensate the theory. If anyone is consistent with those in these games, unless he punts hard post flop, there is absolutely no way to not come out in profit long-term. In fact, to some tables, these could be sometimes even too tight..  but I wouldnt speculate much on that, because with widening too much, its rather easy to start exploiting ourselves while thinking we are exploiting... so its usually easier to just adhere to the baseline. When more experienced it becomes easier to understand deviations, but I wouldnt recommend it to people who really just try to get their stuff together at first, it just wont work most of the time and just confuses the in-game actions to think about. 

Yup. Everyone gets same amount of chips and they start betting on a roulette wheel. Then every ten or whatever "hands". They get a side game, where they have to guess the runout of flop turn and river in one go. They have 1 minute to click all the 5 cards and confirm their decision. The closest predictor gets full pot. People can have fun and they have a side game to get their Loyalty and pay more rake. 

This just poped into my mind yesterday. All the punters would love the action put it would need a unique coding to make it happen. It would be specially tho, tho see everyone in the game and also for it to have chat feature. (Maybe with chooseable options only, if we wanna avoid real chat) . 

Anyway, could be another opportunity to swear that the game is rigged and 17 came 3 times in a row just when I picked 16. 🤣. And more forum posts like - "how this wheel cannot be random, because I saw Livertool win 5 times in a row" .