Pickleman

This isn't exactly a bug - I mean, I'm sure the developers are aware of the issue, but I'd just like to highlight the following:

Sometimes in tournaments (typically at the beginning, when more runners are being added), you can get moved to a new table with only one other player at it. This can happen even in a 9-seater. New players don't get added until the other tables have finished playing their hand, and given that there might be 9 of them, that can take a minute or two. In the mean time those 2 players can play maybe 4 or 5 hands heads up. Not exactly 9-seater play.

I don't know what the solution is, but I know I've never experienced it on another site - or indeed with Unibet when it was on microgaming; so obviously it's a software issue and there's a way to fix it. But I do think it needs to be fixed. It basically makes the software look a bit bad and it's not a good look branding-wise. I mean, if I was a new or inexperienced player, I'd wonder what the hell is going on.

Yeah I think you're right. Given that it's a re-entry it should be 8000. I think it needs to be that rather than 6000 because Omaha should be deeper in general, and the blinds are basically fixed at 30/40/50 etc. So it's good to have a level or two where you have 200BB or so.

I was also wondering whether 10k was too much because when I played about with the average stack projection on the bubble I was guessing only 25% reentries and I think it would be higher than that. So 8k starting stacks works against that.

What d'you reckon @Leo-Unibet?

On 9/1/2021 at 3:47 PM, FreedoM said:

@patrickbocsa That's a great idea.👍

I have a thought, if you have a 3D Printer you can make custom mini or large cups with the avatar theme, would be sick!

Four everyone that has a Windows Machine this is the Path to see all avatars even the custom ones and there are some wild ones. 😀

OMG I love this link. Can we have the tomato with the pitchfork and also the Cockerel please?

The deep space certainly starts well enough, but it's testament to just how important blind level is that even the 8m levels of deep space isn't quite enough towards the bubble. Hence my complaint that for a "blue ribband" series like the UOS, 6m levels are ridiculously short. But I agree that the later 12m levels of the Sputnik tend to drag a bit once you get to 4 or fewer players and the average stack size is back up again.

How about this structure

blind levels:

level 1-7: 12min

level 8-14: 10min

thereafter: 8m

Starting stack 10,000 chips

Up to 2 re-entries

late reg/re-entry: end of level 7 (i.e. 90mins)

[optional] bounty: 50%/50%

Even if you late reg, at level 8 you'll still have 65+BB.

Bubble should kick in around 3.5-4 hours, which is fine for a 6pm start with a good structure - and equal roughly to the better structured hold em tournaments. From there, things should be done in 6-7 hours total, and the average stack size should remain around 40-50BB all the way down, which is a good amount for an Omaha tournament (i.e. still a decision to make on the flop in a 3-bet pot)

Just seen @GothMothlike this post and it reminded me that I wanted to see if there was any post-UOS analysis.

Obv I didn't play in the tournament, but I noticed that the earlier time/longer blinds didn't seem to push much more traffic to it. So do you feel it was a success, @Leo-Unibet?

One caveat to this is that I'd make the longer blind/earlier start Omaha tournament a freezeout rather than rebuy, and possibly make it the €25 stakes, not €50. Making it a rebuy makes it very expensive (less traffic), and longer, when the argument against having longer blind levels was that it made the tournament too long. So could that be an option next time?

BTW, one option I'd definitely try for the longer blinds structure is re-entry (with or without bounties). Omaha suits this format (as you're far more likely to risk going broke in Omaha), and on certain competitor sites I think the bounty with multiple re-entries is a winner. I'm guessing Unibet has a policy of not allowing more than one re-entry?

25 minutes ago, Stubbe-Unibet said:

The likes format wasn't the best idea, as people were holding back, as they wanted to win with the own contribution of course 😄

Also, this is technically the winner I guess: 

.But I didn't want to call it here, cause then there'd be a whole riot again, as some would say it isn't a bad beat, shouldn't qualify etc.

It's a screenshot of getting KK three hands out of five, none of which lost. That's neither bad, nor a beat.

On 9/19/2021 at 10:16 PM, Stubbe-Unibet said:

As we're entering the final week of UOS, let's prepare for the main event with a small competition.

The first member to final table 3 tournaments in the final week (tournaments ending after midnight today) will win a €1100 main event ticket!! Screenshots will have to be posted within 12 hours of making the final table. If you've already got two €1100 tickets, you can't participate in this promotion. 

There'll also be a Merenitsu special; a badbeat jackpot. The bad beat posted in this thread which gets the most reactions (no collusion allowed 😄) will be rewarded with a €250 ticket for the big Sunday qualifier.

Denmark, Belgium and Sweden are excluded from this promotion.

• No need to play with community alias
• Only UOS events count (no qualifiers)

@Stubbe-Unibet10 mins to go until the super qualifier starts. Any news on the Merenitsu special? As it stands three of us are tied on 4 reactions. Ticket each? 😇🤣

May not look like *such* a terrible beat until you realise this pot is on the (pure) bubble of E85 - so it's bubble boy or chip leader:

wait for it . . . .

41 minutes ago, psrquack said:

I like you have dropped the lootbox idea. Knowing what you will have instead of hiding behind never public algorythms is something what is more transparent for me.

 

+1

I know it's a bit selfish as a money making player to not like RB systems that redistribute more to losing players, and I totally get that you're doing it to sustain those players, but those RB systems are a bit scary and just make me think those sites are a bit dodgy (however wrong that thought is).

OOH I like your version. But yes, you're really stuffed with the criterion that the UI needs to have similarity/compatibility across all platforms, significantly mobile gaming.

I agree with your first sentence. So we just need a simple, elegant, transparent way to present the multiplier rewards visually. How about base reward and level bonus?

3 hours ago, psrquack said:

Maybe a simple solution is better. Forget the multiplier and simple say: reach levelx and we will reward your hard work with X reward (ticket/BP/bonus), what is equivalent to X% rakeback. No 2 columns, no how multiplier works etc.

I think the problem Unibet are trying to solve is how to have a loyalty system which appeals to both high and low raking players.

Frilly, gamified bits = low raking players

$$$ = high raking players

The problem with the old system was that high rakers had to go through all the small stakes levels each quarter, with very little of value to them while they did - they wouldn't have gotten to above 25% RB until they'd raked about 9k, and probably wouldn't have bothered with all the freerolls and €1 tickets. 

The new system means they get 25%RB+ effective from the off. Unibet have solved the problem by having a second tier of bonuses which depends on your level of rake. But I absolutely agree with you - a one-stream RB system would be much more elegant. Stars solves this problem your way: have rewards based on your level, and you keep your level as long as you rake a certain amount in a certain period.

The problem is that Unibet are committed to the quarterly rake system as it ties in with their UO/UOS system. If they'd turned around and said: OK level 6 and 7 players keep their level, but everyone else has to level up each quarter (so they get the gamefied bits), it might have alienated the low stakes players and felt less inclusive?

Would be really interesting to hear the thoughts of @Stubbe-Unibet et al on this subject.

To clear up these questions and misunderstandings about how the multiplier rewards bonuses work, perhaps have a tab somewhere which keeps a history of these payouts? I know it's another tab, and that's not elegant, but if people can see how often they get these rewards and what they were, they'll be able to work it all out more easily.

Maybe it can be on the history tab like the challenges used to be? Or somewhere on the loyalty tab alongside the level rewards? I mean, I get why you haven't done this . . . by the time you get to level 7, that's literally 1000s of notifications. But there must be an elegant solution. Maybe total pay out so far, this quarter plus dates/times of the last 20 payouts? Dunno

Hand History tournament filter doesn't seem to be working (it worked fine the last time I used it). The buttons for different tournaments are there if you press the "buy in" button, but pressing the individual filter button doesn't filter the relevant hands.

Also, you can't scroll down the list of hands - as you scroll they keep on resetting to the most recent ones. This bug, i've seen before.

Happening on both mobile (iPad) and Windows desktop version.

As I pointed out in a previous post, the effective rakeback for level 7-9 (taken as a standalone) is almost 96%, so there's no way Unibet were going to give 3000e per equivalent-sized jump in loyalty points there on up.

But props for getting to level 7-9. And pretty damn quickly too!

And props to @Stubbe-Unibetfor telling it how it is. There's very little motivation for Unibet to keep money making players playing at their site. I guess the only proper argument in favour is liquidity?

Point 4 under Game Lab is absolutely spon on. 

@Leo-Unibet

Just seen the schedule for UOS 13. It includes an Omaha tournament (E22/23/24) which starts at the earlier time and has 10 min blinds. Thank you for listening to us - this kind of thing is what makes Unibet the best.

Sadly I'm not free that night, but I really hope the tournament is a success and a decent structure Omaha tournament remains a feature of the UOS. 

Omahaphiles - if you want a decent structured major Omaha tournament make sure you promote this tourney! If these tournaments get loads of runners then Unibet will put more of them on. 

I can't find the schedule for the UOS 13 even though it's supposed to be in this release. Is it not there yet?

Hello all.

Now the summer series is over I have to get excited about the next series . . .

So the preliminary date for the UO is 26th Sept. Does that mean we're looking at 11th Sept - 26th Sept for the next UOS?

12 hours ago, Pionrj said:

@100HourChallengeThise were. He basically trades a sure cashing two times for a ~60% "flip". But it's fine. These guys keeps online poker alive. 

You're absolutely right, of course, about what he did wrong, and that he's a fish, etc. However, there is a note on ICM here.

Remember that the textbook ICM ranges are predicated on your opponent playing ICM too. If they're not, it changes the ranges somewhat. BTW, I'm not saying it changes your KTo shove to an open fold - that's all context specific and I don't know the situation.

But to expand - imagine you "know" your opponent will call with a standard cash game range (e.g 20%) rather than a bubble MTT range (e.g. 5%). If you could plug those ranges into an ICM calculator for your stack size and bubble prizes etc., you would find that your shoving range is a lot narrower than the "standard" range for that situation.

I'm in.

Alias ED--209

59 minutes ago, Stubbe-Unibet said:

 3,980,500 points is € 39,805 in rake 😉

but you don't need to earn 4,365,500 to go *FROM* level 7-8 *TO* 7-9 because that's the cumulative total right? you only need 385,000 points.

I mean if you had to rake €39805 then it would be like 10% rakeback or something, and it's supposed to be about 50%

30 minutes ago, Stubbe-Unibet said:

You're getting something wrong 😉 Below the graph from my original post on the loyalty system:

 

OK, I figured as much.

So can I get a bit more explanation as to what I'm getting wrong? Here's how I interpreted the table:

To get to level 7-9 from level 7-8 you need to rake 385,000 points (i.e. 4,365,500 -  3,980,500 points) which is equivalent to EUR3850 in rake. When you do that, you get a level reward of EUR3000 plus you also get a multiplier bonus of 69,300 points (which is equivalent to EUR693)? 

You can see where I got the 96% from! But I'm guessing that's ridiculous, I just don't get where I've gone wrong. Would be helpful to know because it presumably applies to the other levels too!

Am I getting something wrong, or is the effective rakeback at level 7-9 almost 96%?! 

I'll never get to that level of course, I am just interested!

someone's already busted so I'm guessing it is too late

@Leo-Unibet bounties in the UOS PLO mid (i.e. 50e buy in) are showing at 2.35e. Too late to fix this I'm guessing?