Vegan4life79 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Hi guys, i thought these hands won by the same player in a timespan of about 5 minutes were quite suspicious. What do you think? Game #2072077780: Table €10 NL - 0.05/0.10 - No Limit Hold'Em - 16:56:01 2024/04/08 *** Seated players *** Seat 1: luchaaardi (€10) Seat 2: JackC1707 (€25.30) Seat 3: San51 (€15.42) Seat 4: wrekish (€10) Seat 5: Check18 (€7.12) Seat 6: PinkJoker (€12.38) *** Blinds and button *** JackC1707 has the button San51 posts small blind €0.05 wrekish posts big blind €0.10 *** Hole cards *** Dealt in San51 Dealt to wrekish [Qh 9d] Dealt to Check18 [Kd As] Dealt in PinkJoker Dealt in luchaaardi Dealt to JackC1707 [9h Jc] *** Preflop *** Check18 calls €0.10 PinkJoker folds luchaaardi folds JackC1707 raises €7.12 to €7.12 San51 folds wrekish folds Check18 calls €7.02, and is all-in *** Showdown *** *** Flop *** [Kc 3d 5d] *** Turn *** [Kc 3d 5d] [Jh] *** River *** [Kc 3d 5d] [Jh] [Js] JackC1707 shows [9h Jc], Three of a kind, Jacks Check18 shows [Kd As], Two pairs, Kings up JackC1707 wins €13.89 *** Summary *** Total pot €14.39 Rake €0.50 Seat 2: JackC1707: bet €7.12 and won €13.89, net result: €6.77 Seat 3: San51: bet €0.05 and won €0, net result: €-0.05 Seat 4: wrekish: bet €0.10 and won €0, net result: €-0.10 Seat 5: Check18: bet €7.12 and won €0, net result: €-7.12 Game #2072078513: Table €10 NL - 0.05/0.10 - No Limit Hold'Em - 16:57:45 2024/04/08 *** Seated players *** Seat 1: luchaaardi (€10) Seat 2: JackC1707 (€32.77) Seat 3: San51 (€15.37) Seat 4: wrekish (€10) Seat 5: Check18 (€0) (sitting out) Seat 6: PinkJoker (€12.28) *** Blinds and button *** wrekish has the button PinkJoker posts small blind €0.05 luchaaardi posts big blind €0.10 *** Hole cards *** Dealt in PinkJoker Dealt to luchaaardi [Jc Ah] Dealt to JackC1707 [6d 2d] Dealt in San51 Dealt to wrekish [Kd 8s] *** Preflop *** JackC1707 calls €0.10 San51 folds wrekish folds PinkJoker calls €0.05 luchaaardi raises €0.40 to €0.50 JackC1707 calls €0.40 PinkJoker folds *** Flop *** [Qc Qh Ks] luchaaardi bets €0.50 JackC1707 calls €0.50 *** Turn *** [Qc Qh Ks] [2h] luchaaardi bets €1.50 JackC1707 calls €1.50 *** River *** [Qc Qh Ks] [2h] [3s] luchaaardi checks JackC1707 checks *** Showdown *** luchaaardi shows [Jc Ah], A Pair of Queens JackC1707 shows [6d 2d], Two pairs, Queens up JackC1707 wins €4.92 *** Summary *** Total pot €5.10 Rake €0.18 Seat 1: luchaaardi: bet €2.50 and won €0, net result: €-2.50 Seat 2: JackC1707: bet €2.50 and won €4.92, net result: €2.42 Seat 6: PinkJoker: bet €0.10 and won €0, net result: €-0.10 Game #2072082669: Table €10 NL - 0.05/0.10 - No Limit Hold'Em - 17:06:04 2024/04/08 *** Seated players *** Seat 1: luchaaardi (€10) Seat 2: JackC1707 (€33.61) Seat 3: 1fish2fish (€10.40) Seat 4: wrekish (€10.16) Seat 5: Check18 (€0) (sitting out) Seat 6: PinkJoker (€22.06) *** Blinds and button *** 1fish2fish has the button wrekish posts small blind €0.05 PinkJoker posts big blind €0.10 *** Hole cards *** Dealt to wrekish [Ad 9h] Dealt in PinkJoker Dealt to luchaaardi [Jc Js] Dealt to JackC1707 [4d 4c] Dealt in 1fish2fish *** Preflop *** luchaaardi raises €0.25 to €0.25 JackC1707 raises €0.70 to €0.70 1fish2fish folds wrekish folds PinkJoker folds luchaaardi raises €2.15 to €2.40 JackC1707 calls €1.70 *** Flop *** [2d 3s As] luchaaardi bets €2.47 JackC1707 raises €8 to €8 luchaaardi calls €5.13, and is all-in Uncalled bet returned to JackC1707: €0.40 *** Showdown *** *** Turn *** [2d 3s As] [Qd] *** River *** [2d 3s As] [Qd] [4h] luchaaardi shows [Jc Js], A Pair of Jacks JackC1707 shows [4d 4c], Three of a kind, Fours JackC1707 wins €19.44 *** Summary *** Total pot €20.15 Rake €0.71 Seat 1: luchaaardi: bet €10 and won €0, net result: €-10 Seat 2: JackC1707: bet €10.40 and won €19.84, net result: €9.44 Seat 4: wrekish: bet €0.05 and won €0, net result: €-0.05 Seat 6: PinkJoker: bet €0.10 and won €0, net result: €-0.10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbe-Unibet Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 @Vegan4life79 I don't think these three hands in isolation are suspicious at all. In fact, I'm not even sure why you think they're of concern? Is it because the guy got lucky? Check the latest poker release notes. Have a look at our poker promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan4life79 Posted April 9 Author Share Posted April 9 1 hour ago, Stubbe-Unibet said: @Vegan4life79 I don't think these three hands in isolation are suspicious at all. In fact, I'm not even sure why you think they're of concern? Is it because the guy got lucky? The first hand - a player with 72bb limps AKo then the suspicious player with 250bb raises exactly 72bb with J9o - he has a player with 150bb yet to act so to raise 72bb preflop with J9o is just crazy - but it would make sense if he knew that the limper has AKo and thus has to call and if he knew that J9o wins the hand. It's a big difference between this kind of play when he clearly only chose some hands to play and a player who for whatever reason just goes all in 15 hands in a row and wins 9 times / loses 6 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbe-Unibet Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 21 minutes ago, Vegan4life79 said: The first hand - a player with 72bb limps AKo then the suspicious player with 250bb raises exactly 72bb with J9o - he has a player with 150bb yet to act so to raise 72bb preflop with J9o is just crazy - but it would make sense if he knew that the limper has AKo and thus has to call and if he knew that J9o wins the hand. It's a big difference between this kind of play when he clearly only chose some hands to play and a player who for whatever reason just goes all in 15 hands in a row and wins 9 times / loses 6 times. So it's that you think the player in question knows what the board will end up looking like? That is impossible. The info doesn't exist anywhere (flop, turn and river cards when pf). Check the latest poker release notes. Have a look at our poker promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GR1ZZL3R Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 32 minutes ago, Vegan4life79 said: if he knew that J9o wins the hand. Why would someone go all in 15 times in a row and win "only" 9 out of 15. iI he knew what was going to win the hand he would have only gone all in 9 times in those 15 hands. All in 15 times in a row suggests incompetence, drunkenness, couldn't care less attitude, or similar, unlikely to be anything sinister. 🤔 "It turns out that 75% of all poker players think they play better than the other 75%." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan4life79 Posted April 9 Author Share Posted April 9 1 hour ago, GR1ZZL3R said: Why would someone go all in 15 times in a row and win "only" 9 out of 15. iI he knew what was going to win the hand he would have only gone all in 9 times in those 15 hands. All in 15 times in a row suggests incompetence, drunkenness, couldn't care less attitude, or similar, unlikely to be anything sinister. 🤔 That is exactly my point. A player who goes all in 15 times in a row and wins 9 and loses six is just lucky. But a player who goes all in preflop with trash 15 times in a span of lets say 90 hands - and for example wins 2 times then loses 1 not to be too obvious, then wins too again then loses 1 and summed up wins 10 out of those all ins and loses 5 and with this "strategy" builds up a stack of maybe 900 big blinds (cause sometimes he is gonna go all in for 250 big blinds wit J9o and cracks AA or KK) and then leaves a table with 800 big blinds profit - that player is suspici to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan4life79 Posted April 9 Author Share Posted April 9 1 hour ago, Stubbe-Unibet said: So it's that you think the player in question knows what the board will end up looking like? That is impossible. The info doesn't exist anywhere (flop, turn and river cards when pf). I certainly hope so that there is no way of cheating like that (superuser for example) but it has happened before and not so long ago players revealed such a cheater at GG poker. For me as a player seeing this kind of hands raises suspicion and makes me wanna play on a site where i dont see stuff like that. Which is a shame cause I have really come to like Unibet and I think you guys are really doing a great job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GR1ZZL3R Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 54 minutes ago, Vegan4life79 said: That is exactly my point. A player who goes all in 15 times in a row and wins 9 and loses six is just lucky. But a player who goes all in preflop with trash 15 times in a span of lets say 90 hands - and for example wins 2 times then loses 1 not to be too obvious, then wins too again then loses 1 and summed up wins 10 out of those all ins and loses 5 and with this "strategy" builds up a stack of maybe 900 big blinds (cause sometimes he is gonna go all in for 250 big blinds wit J9o and cracks AA or KK) and then leaves a table with 800 big blinds profit - that player is suspici to me. But the point is that you've shown 3 hands where someone has got lucky in a very short space of time, and not 15 all ins with "trash" spread out over 90 hands, and then villain leaving with big profits. Did that actually happen, or as in many instances I've seen, villain gets lucky very quickly then leaves, or even settles down with a bigger stack to play "correct" poker. If you can show more over an extended period that would be more valid, as in many of these cases sample size can be hugely significant or totally meaningless. I suggest 3 hands in 5 minutes is the latter. I'm by no means knocking your suspicions but a lot more info would help. "It turns out that 75% of all poker players think they play better than the other 75%." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegan4life79 Posted April 9 Author Share Posted April 9 4 hours ago, GR1ZZL3R said: But the point is that you've shown 3 hands where someone has got lucky in a very short space of time, and not 15 all ins with "trash" spread out over 90 hands, and then villain leaving with big profits. Did that actually happen, or as in many instances I've seen, villain gets lucky very quickly then leaves, or even settles down with a bigger stack to play "correct" poker. If you can show more over an extended period that would be more valid, as in many of these cases sample size can be hugely significant or totally meaningless. I suggest 3 hands in 5 minutes is the latter. I'm by no means knocking your suspicions but a lot more info would help. I don't have the resources to investigate this deeper since Unibet does not allow tracking as far as I know, that is why I posted it here. If that player was a big loser overall - I rest my case. But is he a big winner - very suspicious. Also tomorrow that player could have a new nickname doing the same thing again. Only Unibet knows that players ID number and can investigate (if they care). Last but not least - i have been playing a lot of poker online last 20 years and these hands just deviate too much from the "normal" for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbe-Unibet Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Just want to emphasize what I said earlier: the cheating you are speculating about here is not even technically a possibility. It's not that it's unlikely. It's impossible 🙂 Check the latest poker release notes. Have a look at our poker promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graftak1 Posted Monday at 20:44 Share Posted Monday at 20:44 On 08/04/2024 at 19:49, Vegan4life79 said: Hi guys, i thought these hands won by the same player in a timespan of about 5 minutes were quite suspicious. What do you think? Game #2072077780: Table €10 NL - 0.05/0.10 - No Limit Hold'Em - 16:56:01 2024/04/08 *** Seated players *** Seat 1: luchaaardi (€10) Seat 2: JackC1707 (€25.30) Seat 3: San51 (€15.42) Seat 4: wrekish (€10) Seat 5: Check18 (€7.12) Seat 6: PinkJoker (€12.38) *** Blinds and button *** JackC1707 has the button San51 posts small blind €0.05 wrekish posts big blind €0.10 *** Hole cards *** Dealt in San51 Dealt to wrekish [Qh 9d] Dealt to Check18 [Kd As] Dealt in PinkJoker Dealt in luchaaardi Dealt to JackC1707 [9h Jc] *** Preflop *** Check18 calls €0.10 PinkJoker folds luchaaardi folds JackC1707 raises €7.12 to €7.12 San51 folds wrekish folds Check18 calls €7.02, and is all-in *** Showdown *** *** Flop *** [Kc 3d 5d] *** Turn *** [Kc 3d 5d] [Jh] *** River *** [Kc 3d 5d] [Jh] [Js] JackC1707 shows [9h Jc], Three of a kind, Jacks Check18 shows [Kd As], Two pairs, Kings up JackC1707 wins €13.89 *** Summary *** Total pot €14.39 Rake €0.50 Seat 2: JackC1707: bet €7.12 and won €13.89, net result: €6.77 Seat 3: San51: bet €0.05 and won €0, net result: €-0.05 Seat 4: wrekish: bet €0.10 and won €0, net result: €-0.10 Seat 5: Check18: bet €7.12 and won €0, net result: €-7.12 Game #2072078513: Table €10 NL - 0.05/0.10 - No Limit Hold'Em - 16:57:45 2024/04/08 *** Seated players *** Seat 1: luchaaardi (€10) Seat 2: JackC1707 (€32.77) Seat 3: San51 (€15.37) Seat 4: wrekish (€10) Seat 5: Check18 (€0) (sitting out) Seat 6: PinkJoker (€12.28) *** Blinds and button *** wrekish has the button PinkJoker posts small blind €0.05 luchaaardi posts big blind €0.10 *** Hole cards *** Dealt in PinkJoker Dealt to luchaaardi [Jc Ah] Dealt to JackC1707 [6d 2d] Dealt in San51 Dealt to wrekish [Kd 8s] *** Preflop *** JackC1707 calls €0.10 San51 folds wrekish folds PinkJoker calls €0.05 luchaaardi raises €0.40 to €0.50 JackC1707 calls €0.40 PinkJoker folds *** Flop *** [Qc Qh Ks] luchaaardi bets €0.50 JackC1707 calls €0.50 *** Turn *** [Qc Qh Ks] [2h] luchaaardi bets €1.50 JackC1707 calls €1.50 *** River *** [Qc Qh Ks] [2h] [3s] luchaaardi checks JackC1707 checks *** Showdown *** luchaaardi shows [Jc Ah], A Pair of Queens JackC1707 shows [6d 2d], Two pairs, Queens up JackC1707 wins €4.92 *** Summary *** Total pot €5.10 Rake €0.18 Seat 1: luchaaardi: bet €2.50 and won €0, net result: €-2.50 Seat 2: JackC1707: bet €2.50 and won €4.92, net result: €2.42 Seat 6: PinkJoker: bet €0.10 and won €0, net result: €-0.10 Game #2072082669: Table €10 NL - 0.05/0.10 - No Limit Hold'Em - 17:06:04 2024/04/08 *** Seated players *** Seat 1: luchaaardi (€10) Seat 2: JackC1707 (€33.61) Seat 3: 1fish2fish (€10.40) Seat 4: wrekish (€10.16) Seat 5: Check18 (€0) (sitting out) Seat 6: PinkJoker (€22.06) *** Blinds and button *** 1fish2fish has the button wrekish posts small blind €0.05 PinkJoker posts big blind €0.10 *** Hole cards *** Dealt to wrekish [Ad 9h] Dealt in PinkJoker Dealt to luchaaardi [Jc Js] Dealt to JackC1707 [4d 4c] Dealt in 1fish2fish *** Preflop *** luchaaardi raises €0.25 to €0.25 JackC1707 raises €0.70 to €0.70 1fish2fish folds wrekish folds PinkJoker folds luchaaardi raises €2.15 to €2.40 JackC1707 calls €1.70 *** Flop *** [2d 3s As] luchaaardi bets €2.47 JackC1707 raises €8 to €8 luchaaardi calls €5.13, and is all-in Uncalled bet returned to JackC1707: €0.40 *** Showdown *** *** Turn *** [2d 3s As] [Qd] *** River *** [2d 3s As] [Qd] [4h] luchaaardi shows [Jc Js], A Pair of Jacks JackC1707 shows [4d 4c], Three of a kind, Fours JackC1707 wins €19.44 *** Summary *** Total pot €20.15 Rake €0.71 Seat 1: luchaaardi: bet €10 and won €0, net result: €-10 Seat 2: JackC1707: bet €10.40 and won €19.84, net result: €9.44 Seat 4: wrekish: bet €0.05 and won €0, net result: €-0.05 Seat 6: PinkJoker: bet €0.10 and won €0, net result: €-0.10 This is normal on this site, because poker is a big scam on Unibet. I have the same things with the same players , Unibet won,t give a answer about all those strange wins/hands. It is just a scam and without those (fake) players Unibet hasn,t got even 1000 players to poker hete , so don,t poker on this site because you get screwed every time , poker on other platforms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estzen Posted Monday at 21:40 Share Posted Monday at 21:40 I say Hello, to all the losing players ranting about cheating "because it feels so". 20 years is pretty meaningless if its not your only income by that time ... . Random intution talking about cheating. Of course when you get screwed constantly .... "it must be cheating" , because most players in the game are believing to be winning players. Most of these players are not anything different from slot players chaging bet sizes "to hit better". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPCinvader Posted Tuesday at 21:36 Share Posted Tuesday at 21:36 so a player calls all in with JJ on an ace high board and loses to a 6 outer that was 'semi' bluffing all in... that 'bluffer' was calling a small cbet in previous hand on a paired board to steal the pot on later street but hit his deuce.... and didnt need to bluff against the gutshot he probably expected/was hoping for... and before that he tried to steal the blinds from the limper,punishing the limper (that was trapping) and got lucky 🤷♂️ how can you suspect this to be a superuser? this player clearly knows how to put his opponent on a hand and stuff - just a skill you get from playing a lot of poker. and you did so well in that second last community league @Vegan4life79 I dont understand how you could think all this over these hands.. take care and hope to see you at the tables again 🙂 try to rethink about these hands - and see the light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPCinvader Posted Tuesday at 21:45 Share Posted Tuesday at 21:45 you could start training telepathy and fortune-telling to become a superuser yourself @Vegan4life79 its very annoying though and doesnt really work in poker . and everything is written in the stars and either meant to be or not meant to be anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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