DaVitsche

Ooh, I've been moaning a lot about this in the past as well. The big difference being that now I can do it publically.

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@Stubbe-Unibet wrote:

Release date: 19 May

Next release: 16 June 

This release includes a lot of new promotion mechanics

• • Summer Bootcamp 6th July – 30th Aug

 

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This is probably the worst promotion that you guys have. Sure you'll get a few guys that will get themselves in the top tier RB so they'll keep grinding rakeback after that, but it makes the Unibet cashgames the least attractive I've played in a long time. Nitty, Reg heavy, combined with how the seating works it means that unless you play max tables or cycle tables non stop you don't really get to play with the recreationals. So if you just want to 2-3 table for an hour or so, you'll probably end up grinding vs 5 regs untill your table breaks. So I would really consider changing the point mechanics in that promo, because currently it is utter garbage.

pretty sure it rounds up.

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@WCG wrote:

Yeah more rake and less rakeback and I'l move back to pokerstars :D

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I don't really want to make it a them vs us kinda battle, but given you're making the comparison: 4NL & 10NL are still a lot lower than Stars. 4.15%/cap 1 vs 2%/cap 0.5 & 4.5%/cap 2 vs 3.5%/cap 1. Also, when these are your games, you concern shouldn't be rakeback, your concerns should be either having fun or getting better to move up.

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@CuteRaven wrote:

@DaVitsche  Agreed except 4 NL (and 4 PL) rake will basically be double (disregarding rakeback) because the rake % will go from 1% to 2%. I think it's fine becauase the rake was so low to begin with, so in absolute terms it is a pretty small increase and the rake is still very low.

The new 0.50€ rake cap will only become relevant in pots bigger than 25€ with the new 2% rake, so basically never at these stakes. I found the halving of the rake cap kind of hilarious given it's irrelevance in comparison to it's cosmetic value, but I guess a rake cap decrease is still a rake cap decrease 🤣

Of course if we consider rakeback then the story might be diferent.

 

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Hmm, I was confident I remembered a result from a simulation where 4NL was the same. Could be wrong. Also, due to rounding the rake in the small pots will stay the same anyway. That's why there's barely any change. So the most HU pots will only be affected when there's been 2 big bets&calls postflop.

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@fish8one wrote:

But at least Uni has followed the trend and raised the rake (given nothig for it in exchange), which is always a good thing, right? LOL ;)

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You kinda misread the announcement. Overall rake is being reduced. People seem to disregard the impact of the cap on the total rake.

4NL will probably be roughly the same

10NL goes up a little bit, still on par with or below industry standards

25NL goes down a lot

50NL goes down a bunch

PL25 will be a little less

PL50 will be a little less

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@RaulonY wrote:

Great initiative to create a hand analyze thread. 

The hand with A2s:

I would open 3x from UTG, bcz overall I have a strong range and want to get as much value out of them as possible. That half bb doesn't look like much, but when you bet postflop, it creates a bigger pot quiclky (it's compounding).

Yeah, I think both are viable options on 10NL, opening 3x with a strong/tight range or lowering to 2.5bb with a somewhat wider range. As long as you don't open 3x too wide, or 2.5x too tight, you'll be fine.

ORF, I really like to check raise, and I do that with 55 and 44 too, to balance out my range. I know that he can check behind, but he will also bluff a lot of air type hands on this kind of board, that we will just take down with our X/R. If he checks behind, we just bet pot OTT, and Overbet OTR, to make it almost impossible for him to call with his capped range. 

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Yeah, one of the initial conclusions was that Cbetting was "the mistake". Our hand does indeed qualify to check raise the flop, and even if he checks back, that's not an issue since we have A high and a combo draw.  I think I would rather go for a smaller size on the turn in case I CR this, but that's probably linked to other options I have in my game strategy.

Do me a favour and never apologize for asking me a question! Thanks for asking questions, much appreciated.

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@Sparrow473 wrote:

I don't know, @DaVitsche, i'm not a pro, but a half pot bet on the river would have convinced him of "your king"....

Anyway, the call was a quite brave move from him...

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Interesting. When facing a halfpot bet from UTG, I would advice against folding AQ in that spot though, your AQ will still be a very profitable call.

This is the river situation facing a bet from UTG bet of 80% pot, the sizing I would pick if I bet the river here. As you can see, even vs a bigger bet, AQo can still call a decent amount of times. It is relatively close though, so the more likely you think your opponent is betting flushdraws on the flop, the more you should just click the call button on this river (since he'll have more bluffs).

You can also see some Qx raise here, this isn't for value, this is as a bluff. Because CO still has KQ&55 when raising here, UTG can't call with 44 & 55 and should even fold some Kx that he has here. (Kx is only trips compared to 44&55, but because we block KQ, it becomes a better bluffcatcher than 44&55)

As played you're right that the AQo call is probably a little brave, but not too bad though. However, as mentioned Pio doesn't pick Ac2c as a bluff, but would pick some A5,45,65 because they block 55.

Tough crowd. Let me point out noone has to be afraid to comment. The best way to get better at the game is to talk & think about the game.

So whether you play 4NL or 400NL, your input is greatly appreciated. We might discover flaws in the post, or you might uncover a flaw in your own thinking. Either way, everyone comes out a better player. So let's keep the next hand cheap

[10NL] UTG vs CO SRP, CRAI on river.

https://gyazo.com/6c16802195f8e9b50da3423f22aa5a13

Opening A2s UTG seems ok, but it's for sure one of the hands that's ok not to open if you want to open tighter.
We open UTG and get a flat from CO, I consider flatting here a leak in general (unless you have a reason not to, like a very weak player in the BB or someone tilting that still has to act (BTN to BB). SO because of that, I assume villain probably doesn't 3bet enoug.
Let's assume a range like this: TT-22,AJs-ATs,KJs+,QJs,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,76s,65s,54s,AQo-AJo,KQo

We flop really well with a nutFD & a gutshot. On this board, I think using a bigger sizing is better with this part of our range, especially OOP vs someone with too wide a flatting range. CR is another path we can choose to take, but we risk our opponent checking back a lot of hands we want him to fold.

Interesting to note is that Piosolver would check 100% as UTG opener vs the range we gave our opponent, while Pokersnowie would bet around 1/5 of its opening range for this size, including our hand. Aditionally, the EV difference for betting or checking in Pio is relatively small.

The Kd is so good for my range, that when Cbet the flop, I want to continue. Since it's likely that making our opponent fold 66-TT isn't a 1 street plan, we size bigger again to force him to fold those. We still get called. At this point we give our opponent a range consisting of 44,55,AQo,KQ,QJs,67s & FD's (TcJc-67s), and a pinch of PP's that are stubborn.

The river Kh is again better for my range than his, so I wanted to check here vs our opponent to give him the opportunity to bluff missed draws, and valuebet worse hands vs our nutted range. Keep in mind that we are very capable of having all Full houses, a lot of trips, and even AA would be very strong here.

When he bets this small, it screams Qx to me, so we're sticking to the plan to bluff with my hand, if he would have bet bigger, I probably just fold this. He timebanked and called.
Try not to be too result oriented and place yourselves in both player's position. Would you have done anything different? Would you just have bet the river instead of going for the CRAI? What do you think our best bluffs are on the river?

I feel for my Belgian compatriots.

don't think so. it's still just 1% cap €3 at all stakes right? isn't that super low?

I don't understand the lack of positive reaction to the rake changes. 4NL will be almost unchanged as total amount raked, the biggest difference is that the majority of the rake now will be paid by the biggest winners.

10NL is a slight increase, and again, one that will most likely impact the big winners on the stake and actually have a better impact on the average players. But even this isn't that crazy of an increase.

25NL & 50NL will undergo a massive benificial change. And if you want to talk in term of Unibet "making money off more rake". The €100's they will gain extra from 10NL will be nothing compared to the 1000's of paycut they just took from 25NL & 50NL just so the ecology can grow and progress healthier.

@Esir his blog was a nice example of a good reg, failing to move trough 25NL, partially because of the rake, as the impact on his winrate from paying more rake combined with having to deal with better regs just means too many 10NL regs couldn't move up, so they just accepted their faith, and stayed on 10NL. There's going to be that anecdotal story of that one guy that succeeded and had a heater on 25NL/50NL to make to to 100NL, but those are rare.

A big part of this problem is a general failure to understand how this industry works, I've worked a lot behind the scenes in BE for more than 10 yeras, had some good talks with Unibet staff as well, which helps you to get a clear view on how all of it works.

Promotions cost money, that money needs to reach the players you want to help. On 4NL & 10NL the siituation got to a point that you couldn't reach that group without spending the majority of your promotional budget on players that were already winning a lot. Which means you need to change the ecosystem. It's a very unromantic view of the industry, but it's just how things work.

The weirdest thing is that the people that complain the loudest are often totally unaffected by these changes, even crazier are benefittin from them. Yet somehow they have convinced themselves that any change is bad, therefor we complain about change.

All sites are increasing rake, and after (5!) years of fighting, people finally managed to get the idea going up the corporate chain that it is indeed better to earn less money, because it'll allow for more growth. Think about how hard that discussion must have been while the gambling sector in general is in decline. So I want to make sure the Unibet staff knows that I'm super grateful. I have requested these changes for a long time, despite them not really affecting me, because I knew they were the better thing to do, and it'll increase the chances of someone that takes the game serious, and doesn't just sit around and complain all the time to actually build a bankroll, make it to midstakes, get those UO packages, make some friends, gets better and manages to turn pro and live the dream.

pre seems fine. if easy11 jams, you probably fold due to FT ICM?

Postflop, the pot is protected, so you're probably barely bluffing.

Does it make sense in that case to size down to around quarter pot, so you can bluff slightly more often to put pressure on easy11 his PP's

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@Sweeedeeen wrote:

Do you plan to change rake at nl100+? Now it looks too high :(

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as a reg 100NL+ you will probably get some of the highest RB's in the current industry (50%+) + the rake is not even that bad from an industry pov

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@psrquack wrote:

"Why do you increase the rake at NL4, PL4 and NL10? First of all I want to make it clear that despite the increase, the rake on these stakes is still really good, and NL4 remains the industry best.. We believe that the rake at NL4 is almost too good today, in the sense that it gives little incentive to move up in stakes, and the stake becomes much tougher and not as great a place for new players to start out, as we want."

Let me understand this: regs are captured the limit so action isn't so tempting as previously, so we increase the rake and hope regs will leave the limit and join to the higher stakes what will increase our income and beginners who aren't so skilled or tight will generate us the same rake or more aswell. Let me guess: this is good for economy.

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This will be very good for the economy. Have you noticed the cap being lowered?

Hooray!

I would win all fights as long as uhlen doesn't join, then he wins.

I agree with @Teethgrinder, the issue is when you call the last bet on the river, If you're the guy betting, you have time etc., but the window of clickertunity when calling is miniscule. I often miss it too.

Also: This is obviously only an issue to people that lose the pot. Solution => Just win the pot 4Head!

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@Argevolen wrote:

@DaVitsche  Good job! But the wrong forum...

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A thread like this was requested by the users.

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@psrquack wrote:

 

Find someone who is capable to stream regularly (like Butler League, Sjlot, early DaVitsche) and people shouldn't hunt twitter accounts about the next stream.

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Both Ian and myself are streaming very regularly. Heck I'm streaming every single day, like every day, I have been doing it since december. I don't know what could be more regularly. Maybe a lot of people don't realize because a while back Twitch changed how notifications are being sent out. 

You now have both a follow button (so the followed stream shows up in the left column on twitch) and you have a notification button, the latter one will allow Twitch to send you an email when the streamer goes live.

Got my original profile linked, so I can now claim that I had nothing to do with that pair of sevens!

Preflop 3betting 77 in BTN vs MP is ok.

On the flop this performs very well as a Cbet, but we need a very low frequency of checkback vs strong opponents. As played let's assume we rolled low.

On the turn Ts we have a clear nut advantage since we have all the AK, which made me decide to turn my hand into a bluff as it's one of the lower equity hands that I have at this point. However, Pio doesn't like this exact combo very much, but EV of checking & betting 80% pot are the same, so as long as you don't mess up your overall frequencies you'll be ok.
Our opponent calls. MP leads some strong hands on the turn, but should still have a decent chunk of 2P, TP, 2ndP etc. So if you're unwilling to pull the trigger on the river, then don't overdo your delayed turnbets.

River 6s: As brick as they come, so we overbetjam (my only betsize in this spot btw). Again Pio doesn't really like the combo, it actually dislikes it a lot. Any combo that blocks the straight is much prefered over this, hands like KJs, T9s & the occasional K8s that we have in our range. We are jamming with around half of all combo's we end up with in this spot, due to our nut advantage (we have all the AK, plenty of K9s), while our opponent only has a fraction of AK and K9/89. So blocking the 9 seems like the most important factor to bluff.

vs weak opponents you can probably bet your entire range on the flop, as they tend to have too narrow of a calling range OOP (AQs-ATs, KQs, TT-66), and despite doing fairly well on this texture, the pressure you can put on that range by polarizing on further streets is a big moneymaker. As soon as you have a read on your opponent not 4betting JJ in MP vs BTN, you should slow down a little.

Not planned no.

EDIT: Ah, the linking to my first profile worked!

Just FYI, I got a Finnish account, which means my Belgian accoutn is deactivated. Only 1 account per player, even ambassadors!

So while we're getting my community profile fixed here's the new schedule. I can't edit the first post currently

Hi Cashgame grinders!

Let's do some hand reviews. In order to keep the thread organized, I would love to do it in a similar way for every hand. So to post a hand, get gyazo, or a similar screen snippet tool, and record the replay in a gif! Then give it a small summary so it's easy to keep track of what hand we're talking about.

[100NL] BTN vs MP 3BPot, turning 77 into a bluff on Qhigh board.

https://gyazo.com/3c05f58de6e87e77d3a4e9485cdaf601

Because everything matters, positions, sizes prior to the spot, how many players originally were involved etc.

If you have ideas on how to do it more efficiently, feel free to reply!

RULES:

1) Please keep it respectfull
2) Always refer to the hand you're talking about
3) Extra points for those that explain "Why" (*points hold no value, but I heard big pp = many point UwU) 

For those that are into cashgame strategy, do know that I occasionally do breakfast & study streams on twitch.tv/davitsche where we go in depth on spots.