Deepstack Cash Games: Some suggestions

[Wizard]

I saw a post a few weeks ago asking what people thought about 500-1000BB cash game tables on unibet. I had some more thoughts on this:

1) In short, I think 500BB is simply too much as a minimum BI for any cash game.

2) Literally no other site / app / casino runs games where the min BI is anywhere near that deep. It isn't popular with recreationals or regulars. In fact, many recreational players prefer spinning it in off shorter stacks, which is partly why games like hexapros / banzai are popular with rec. players. If someone wants to sit with 100 Euros they play 100nl, or maybe shortstack 200nl. I guess a few people want to sit 50nl with 200bb maybe? I don't think anyone wants to sit 1000bbs deep at 0.5/10. 

3) 500BB poker isn't interesting because the blinds and the vast majority of pots are such an absurdly small % of your stack.

4) If Unibet is going to run deepstacked cash games then I would probably make it something like 100BB minimum BI and 250BB maximum. I would also add an ante. I think this would be quite cool and has potential. I am absolutely not against change / innovation, but I think the proposed 500-1000BB model needs tweaking.

5) At 100NL+ there isn't really sufficient liquidity most of the day for multiple versions of the same blind level to run IMO. Regs are not gonna battle other regs for hours playing HU or 3 handed at a 500BB game when its incredibly unlikely that a rec. player sits. 

6) I think that 500BB minimum BI games would essentially never run on unibet unless there was an enormous promotion to incentivise regs to play. With no promotion I could see a stake like 1/2 with 1k sit down see <1% of the volume of 200nl, and quite possibly unibet could spread it for a week and literally no hands would be dealt.

FWIW I raked >50K euro in 2021 playing mainly 50nl-200nl on Unibet so I would like to think I have some understanding of whats going on in those stakes. Thats just my 0.02 tho.

I hope this helps, this is definitely NOT me trying to shit on unibet for trying out new things btw. I think online poker will continue to evolve with different game types / software etc and that some stuff will have be tweaked a bit to fit with the customers / regulations etc. FWIW I quite like the table 'chat'.

Merry Xmas Everyone and GL in 2022.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 28, 2021 by Wizard

[Andy-Relax]

@Stubbe-Unibet

[Stubbe-Unibet]

Appreciate the feedback! In principle I agree with you, but there's a lot of information you don't have 😉 I do believe 1000BB will work better than 200bb for what we have in mind, but if I turn out to be wrong and players aren't keen to play it, we can of course tweak it.

https://www.unibetcommunity.com/tags/apriltease/ some hints there 🙂

Happy new year to you too!

[avatarthief]

On 12/31/2021 at 11:10 AM, Stubbe-Unibet said:

Appreciate the feedback! In principle I agree with you, but there's a lot of information you don't have 😉 I do believe 1000BB will work better than 200bb for what we have in mind, but if I turn out to be wrong and players aren't keen to play it, we can of course tweak it.

https://www.unibetcommunity.com/tags/apriltease/ some hints there 🙂

Happy new year to you too!

Hi Stubbe, is there any chance of a PLO version of this being introduced? Or are you concerned that it would destroy the ecosystem?

[CuteRaven]

I actually disagree but maybe the majority think like you. I've played the deepstack legend promotion a few times. I think it's fun to be able to open raise 4 BB, 3 bet random weird suited hands more often, and overbet a lot postflop etc. without it being too bad. Deepstack it seems like you need to play more tricky and take lines/hands that surprise your opponent more often, which I think is quite fun. It feels very different/unique to play compared to 100 BB deep, at least in the bigger hands. Players seem to have no idea how to play 1000 BB deep postflop (I'm not saying I do either but most regs play it the same way as if they were playing 100 BB deep).

I think a lot of regs don't play it because they haven't studied 1000 BB deep and there is a 2 table cap. And there's a lot of recs who really don't mind gambling it up for 1000 BB with AT offsuit. It's not that hard to make 500 BB or even 1000 BB profit (or loss) on one table because of the stack depth and player pool, in 100 BB deep it's almost impossible.

Edit: Oh this is almost a year old 😂

Edited September 23, 2022 by CuteRaven