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I can't keep my focus on 12 tabling. I have been trying it a few times in my 1k grind and 12 tabling was equal to playing my c game even I was trying to play my a game.

ye but tbh what i would love is to grind not the hardest games but the semi games prob around 10 and keep grinding them if you have a good rakeback setup but what you say is correct that's why i have a custom bankroll plan that i was planning to show in march when i would "official start" and this was for one tabling the whole way untill you are in a comfortable spot but as you can see their i never did write even above €25 as my ambition is €25 grinding with a decent player pool or €10 also i do know from the guys from op-poker where i did follow the course that the "sng lottery pro's " 4table. *this dynamic BRM has a 1/4 chance of moving down in stake even you have the correct itm% so if you go from 1 to 25 in this chart with a constant of xx itm% you will have to move down at least once normally (big bankroll shifts with this setup but also a BRM that can let you grow fast if you don't mind moving down again )

hi @Dennis_ ye it's one tabling for me.. My plan was to if i grind full time to do it 4 tabling.. btw check this... 10m ago.. my 10th 1$ game.. 25x.. (btw i know i can guess uploading content from another platform isn't allowed or at least not cool.. so i won't do this often.. i just wanne tell my poker story on global level instead of just the client we normally use)

have been playing on other poker websites and the gamble part is really an enourmous difference between unibet and the others .. This does not mean i will be playing on other websites .. as pokerstars has super high rake 9% Partypoker being banned in belgium (but it's available as bwin) but bwin doesn't allow hand history exports .. (and 8% rake but with nice rakeback if you grind) btw i am not advertising any other websites ore something it was just a sng lottery compare.. ok update, and last one for hexa pro (i do have to say that it's stupid to end the spin grind as i am knowing almost all the ranges in every situation out of my head o thx studying and playing only spins.. ) also i think it's possible to beat the rake but it's not worth the time i think their are better grind methods.. if the rake would be 1% less or the blinds 1m more it's something totally different. games played 250 itm% : 36% adjusted roi%: -0,64% adjusted roi on sample: -€1,60 real roi%: -14,6% real roi on sample: -€36,50 payed rake: €17,13 €1,50 (143x) €3 (69x) €5 (27x) €10 (11x) €1,5 (143) 1st: 38,46% 2nd: 39,86% 3rd: 21,67% €3 (69) 1st: 39,13% 2nd: 49,37% 3rd: 14,49% €5 (27) 1st: 22,22% 2nd: 48,14% 3rd: 33,33% €10 (11) 1st: 18,18% 2nd: 27;27% 3rd: 54,54%

currently adjusted roi -2,6 buyins real roi - 36 buyins but i did notice something big in the blind structure because i was playing on stars aswell so i could have chip ev graphs and data to analyse.. the spins on stars are way less variance! the reason why is the blind structure, check the difference: with other words, the tactic is actually still the same as in spins but on unibet you have a double chance for variance compared to spin and gos.. because the blind level (actually more than double variance here on unibet.. as 75% of the time you are < 3m blind lvls here and 50% on stars.. and the other 50% on stars is 2m blind lvls which is 1m here..) for the first time almost ever.. i do have to say... pokerstars is way better if you want to grind hyper lottery sngs compared to unibet ^^ also this will change my action plan what i would do further.. play this challenge on another platform or do another challenge.. as i like the player pool here more..

🤣 soooo shallow :p avg stack 4BB

not allot in hexa sample .. :) 200 games and as you need avg 5k + sample size it's a long way to go xd and it's already hard for me right now xd because as i said before my game plan is to specialize and grind it up and stay in that game type but thinking about the fact that if i ever would make it to €10 hexas and have swings of hunders and hunders of euros .. :p brrrr xd

thx for analysis :) ye it's a real wide west .. :p what i am trying to do is play as recommended in my course ( i have watched the full course and made a summary already ) and one of the rules in that course is call with 97o vs minraise on btn in BB defend and never donck but check call flop with OESD, flushdraws, gutshot with backdoor flushdraws, overcards, .. and mid pairs and checkraise with tptk, trips, low set , 2pair, nutflushdraws A or K that was the reason why i played that hand that way :)

tbh letting the extra variance sink in is harder then i mentioned in previous post :) one of the main reasons why i did choose for hexas instead of sngs was not for the variance / lottery as i am trying not to be a gambler xd for example i never ever do casino or sport betting as it's -ev guaranteed.. but it was just the player pool .. this is the reason why i don't want to go back to the sngs, today i have been watching the activity in 5man sng's and it looks it's getting worse compared to q4 2019.. for example if the unibet field would be avg 20 people €200 5man sng avg 20-30 people €100 5man sng avg 40-50 people €50 5man sng avg 50+ people €25 5man sng then i would never ever even watched the hexas.. as i know my sng play isn't the best but in skill level i think i am avg+ in it based on my 1k results .. but ye .. why did developers create spin and go | hexas haha = dead to sngs... (i know why.. big moneys in rake .. :p ) current stats -€36 but adjusted roi €-4,98 --> payed rake already in my sample €13,706.. :p

GLGL

haha i am crying xd tought lets do a new one and have a 10x jackpot wich was loong ago xd preflop fishr raise 2x hasedabae fold i call as it is in my chart flop: i check Fishr raises half pot i check raise hem BAM in my face 'again' xD

Don't know if it is me or the variance .. tbh the hexas are a reeaaaal flip fest... but i am following the exact charts given on the course + try to play my a game (even shallow.. :p ) but i felt like i could win a few flips but all the crucial ones i lost :p we will see how the study period continues.. one thing for sure i didn't care about going down 10 buyins like i did before .. already getting used to it.. :p if my adjusted roi calculation is right i am right now 30,5 buyins -ev but yhe based on that formula .. not based on allin ev and some other things like spin pro's recommend to watch.. also what is super sad i can't do decent analysis because i can't export my HH .. :( might go to starts in my study period so i can do some hand imports to analyse.. ah also.. forogt to mention i have made a wallpaper of the preflop charts that you need to follow in xx situations (btw in case this is not allowed by unibet please tell me..)

indeed it sad that the high stakes 5max sngs are dead. I hope it gets better someday.

hey @Dennis_ the adjusted roi is a formula they told in that course i got from a friend ( https://www.husng.com/content/beating-spin-and-go-poker ) the formula is this: and my first places are just counted in excel (based on that number the excel automatic does count first placed / all games played = itm% the red line is the formula running every game i entry in the excel

damn :p i really have under estimated the mood variance can give to you ^^ ive been studying vs playing on a ratio of 75% v 25% but the last 20 games where brutal always ended up vs the few outs that could come and it changed my mood completely right now :p

looks nice :o :)

close call again just bubbled again :) time i played before: btw for people who would like to check it out.. on my main blog i have written a full analysis about hexa's and my shot on transitioning to hexas as main grind instead of sngs (this satellites blog is the "side grind :p" ) please check it out at https://www.unibetcommunity.com/t5/Blogs-Stories/MPROX-SIT-N-GO-CHALLENGE/td-p/282120/page/7

@Stubbe-Unibet no need to watch my post :-) their was an error in the excel.. it's indeed 6853 rake per person per 100k games = 6,853% :)

Thx brocky Indeed I think their is an error as I see not the correct numbers on the high payouts. I'm check it when I am home :p And what a German trying to speak English

@Stubbe-Unibet could you please correct me if i am wrong about the hexas? 6,853% rake is on the website of unibet ( https://nl.unibet.be/promotions/poker-promotions/hexapro ) this is the sample you get online (100k) when you multiply this to 100k effective games based on the exact chances on the table from the official site you get this result expected price pool money = € 276941,00 but when you calculate the rake €300 000 buyin - €276 941 = €23059 rake for 3 handed game so €23059 /3 = 7686,333 rake per person after 100k games when you calculate this per game 7686.33/100 000= 7,68633% rake per game per player instead of 6,853% rake what is on the website? The reason why I amsking is because this has a Enormous big impact on the itm% required to grind the stakes profitable on the long run.

I MADE A DECISION.. ok after a month trying to decide to keep on grinding or do something else i made my decision.. against all recommendations i have decided to not specialize any further in sitngo's for the moment( so no icm trainins, .. anymore when i am studying off the tables for now). the game plan will be like this: for this month february i am going to keep holding of all my stats (win%, roi%, adjusted roi (formulla above post), how many lotterys of each i have had on my sample and what placed i ended up on every prize ). even i will be holding all those stats, this month will be a learning month for sure and i am not going to give much attention to my results this month as i see it as a learning month.. with other words i don't mind if i blow a few hunder buyins in worst case but i will quit the challenge by march in case that would happen. when i was playing the hexas i saw people do soo crazy stuff that in my opinion you can beat the rake if you specialize in it.. (i mean.. when you see people shuving air on all board textures etc.. it's just a wild west with high rake, high variance, fast blind levels but beatable opponents.. i will update all my stats etc during my studying month on this blog post but please don't take them to serious because in my opnion the hexa grind will start in March after i had a few weeks of learning the pre flop chars, doing hand reviews from recordings i will make of myself, watching some spin pros on twitch + and some other learning stuff..) variance Just a side note about variance, when you do calculations pre-rakeback etc.. based on ITM% this is the chart to see the probabbility of a downsing based on sample size 5k games: **this screenshot is based on spins with 6% rake, we have 6,8% rake so our IT% needs to be higher, for example 35% ITM will be -ev for hexas) and doing 1000 simmulations of 500 games gives this output in swongsim (did base myself on spin and gos with 7% rake as this is the closest to hexas i think ** everything between the 2 yellow lines will occur 10-90% of the time** ** everything between the 2 orange lines will occur 30-70% of the time** 35% ITM (losing) 36% ITM (even with 36% ITM 30-70% of the time you will end up osing after 500 games) 37% ITM 38% ITM Bankroll i will follow a dynamic bankroll management if i start this challenge in March based on itm% & buyin # of higher stake, more info next month. CURRENT STATS, PRE STUDY: total results vs expected results based on ITM% (rake already included) 1st places 35,25% of the time Hexa games analysis ( a perfect normal price pool money for this sample, +13 cent above expected! :D xd) position analysis €1,50 HEXAS (62 games) 1st place: 26/62 -- 41,93% 2nd place: 25/62 -- 40,32% 3rd place: 11/62 -- 17,74% €3 HEXAS (40 games) 1st place: 13/40 -- 32,50% 2nd place: 22/40 -- 55,00% 3rd place: 5/40 -- 12,50% €5 HEXAS (15 games) 1st place: 3/15 -- 20% 2nd place: 9/15 -- 60% 3rd place: 3/15 -- 20% €10 HEXAS 1st place: 1/5 -- 20% 2nd place: 2/5 -- 40% 3rd place: 2/5 -- 40% based on this sample my €5 & €10 HEXAS haven't been going good at all but ofc very low sample size. will do a new detailed update around 500 or 1k.

how many tables you play ?

btw @Brocky how did you calculate the itm% and required roi%? in a course i have they talk about the rake and need itm% like this (unibet is 6,853% rake) also the way to calculate your correct roi% so not based on the lottery of the hexas should be like this (based on the course) when i do this on my own current stats my roi is -1,39% on the long run right now, playing just abc without a correct strategy.

upgrade to w10 :p

ye the variance is crazy .. but it's stupid in a way that unibet and all the other platform try to boost hexas or spins so much.. almost all the casino gamblers are directed to play this when they try to play some poker.. tbh even the variance is crazy and you need to be a mental rock to keep on playing your a game during swings and sessions, the momentum is going to those games. i haven't been playing the last days because i really am trying to decide what i should do because i might try a hexa grind but many things hold me back.. First i will sum up all the pro's and contra's i could think about and in the second part of this blog post i will give some examples what i expect.. hexa: pro: the momentum is going away from sng's to this type of sngs.more promo's.more scalable on higher stakes, more players mid stakes.when you put in high volume on low/mid stakes you get good rakeback.more volume = bigger players pool.more casino gamblers that want to play this game.contra: massive variance, +1k games swings.the skill edge is smaller.~3% more rake per game compared to 5man sng.you need to be mentally in shape to handle those games. sng pro: one of the best ways for a steady bankroll building.less chance on big up or down swings.you can build a bigger edge compared to other players.less rake.mentally better to keep playing your a game during the session.contra: almost no rakeback.challenges instead of challenge points per entry.momentum is going down for sng player pool.almost no and no mid / high stakes action.less promo's except some king of flips, santa, wheel of fortunecan be boring after a while (i had problems keeping my motivation around +-500 games at my 1k grind) second part of the post.. i have tried to make a calculation to see what the results can be per stake per game.. and my conclussion is that if you play hexa's you need to do it for the rakeback, but only low or mid stakes (at micro it's still almost no rakeback) in this test i made some charts where you have 3,5% Roi: the above line is roi 3,5% ALSO THIS LINE IS NOT STRAIGHT IN REAL GAMES and it will be more a downsing and then a big win and downsing or breakeven again followed by another big upswing game, ... , it's to show the rakeback compared to 3,5% roi. €1 hexa €2 hexa €5 hexapro €10 €25 --> after the same volume of games your rakeback is higher then 3,5% roi. i know it's almost surealistic to play 20k hexas at 25 buyin, but it's just to show that when you would go play hexas and skale the volume and stake up the grind is not for the lottery anymore but for the rakeback you get. ofc by the time you did grind your way up to this stake you have no emotions anymore i think ...... ^^ when i do the same rakeback calculation for sng's it's almost no rakeback, which is normal because you pay less rake, play less volume in sngs, you get your winnings not from rake but from real roi % on the tables. 3rd section a estimation what the max you can grind in 3 months is in my opinion sngs * did not calculate 25eu sng's because in my opinion you can't play 5k games €25 5max on the site because of player pool ammount. conclusion after doing the pro's and con's + estimating every graph ( i also did possible outcomes in my graphs to see best case, worst case,.. which i didn't mention with graphs or numbers in the text above..) i still haven't decided if i am going to keep on being an 5max sng grinder or will transition into hexas.. Also their are still headsup sngs which are scalable and are also an option.., i know some really good courses that i have acces to if i want thx to a mate.. for all the 3 options that i would choose to specialize in.. (such as bestpokercoaching spin & go course but also raise your edge sng course & another one & upswing poker advacned heads-up mastery, .. (that same mate is telling me to do sngs btw but he plays on a competitors website, not on uni..)