Stakes higher than 400NL

[TexasLover]

Hello, everybody!

As I remember, some years ago 400 NL wasn't the highest stake to play on Unibet, being available even 800 NL. I wonder if there is a possibility to implement something higher, at least 600 NL if possible. I guess many of us would be glad if you reintroduce the higher stakes 😄 . Hope my suggestion will be taken into consideration, would highly appreciate. Thank you! All the best for the New Year! 

[Wizard]

I think when it was scrapped the explanation was that it was an ecosystem issue (ie the recs were getting stacked incredibly fast and almost all the net deposits at 800nl were being won by regs, with very little raked).

It is much MUCH better for the site for a rec player with 800 euros to go have 2 BIs for 400NL or 4 BIs for 200NL, it will take them massively longer (on average) to go broke and they will pay vastly more rake in the process.

 

 

[TexasLover]

20 minutes ago, Wizard said:

I think when it was scrapped the explanation was that it was an ecosystem issue (ie the recs were getting stacked incredibly fast and almost all the net deposits at 800nl were being won by regs, with very little raked).

It is much MUCH better for the site for a rec player with 800 euros to go have 2 BIs for 400NL or 4 BIs for 200NL, it will take them massively longer (on average) to go broke and they will pay vastly more rake in the process.

 

 

Yes, sad but true..you're right, but on contrary, there are both recs and regs willing to play higher stakes and for that reason they opt for other platforms. Some huge recs would probably not be impressed if 400NL is the biggest stake you can gamble. Maybe setting 400NL as highest stake is based on population tendencies but it's very curious how often times there are much more players in 400NL pool comparising with 200 NL pool. And by often times I mean almost every time. 800NL seems a reasonable stake for the majority of population especially from well developed countries.

[Stubbe-Unibet]

What Wizard said.

It's not as easy as just adding a new stake and players will come running to the site - the stake alone doesn't add much. Might have a couple of regs joining, but recs are a different story. We tried it (before my time) and it really didn't work. I'll admit I haven't studied the old data in detail but what I was told was basically that it was catastrophic and almost killed the higher stakes games, which makes sense. We're not your average poker site. We're sports and casino brands that also offer poker.

[Wizard]

I have also noticed 400NL pool having 40 entries while 200NL has 6, this happens quite a lot.

Its complicated but I think its caused by a few issues:

1) Bootcamps tend to split the games between 100NL and below, and 200NL+. This means that all the regs who play a mix of 50NL, 100NL and 200NL may well quit all their 200NL volume in favour of lower stakes. The 200NL and 400NL regs just play 400 to max out leaderboard points in the higher leaderboard. So nobody plays 200NL. As someone who likes playing 100NL and 200NL this is extremely frustrating because the bootcamps incentivise dropping the 200NL games for 50NL games which is kind of nuts given the site rakes a lot more at higher stakes.

2) The highest stakes are kind of the far end of the bell curve, so include everyone who wants to play 400NL plus everyone who wants to play 500NL, 600NL, 800NL, 1KNL etc.

3) A lot of the 400NL regs are grinding for huge rewards and want to just max out volume at the highest stakes, they dont want to play lower and get less in rewards.

4) Effective rake at 400NL is lower (in BB/100) which means people are more willing to battle shorthanded, plus I think the 400 regs tend to be more willing to battle each other. I think a lot of the regs in the 200NL games are taking a shot and normally play 50NL or 100NL so they are incredibly quick to leave the moment they think the game is no longer good.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TexasLover]

On 12/24/2022 at 1:44 PM, Wizard said:

I have also noticed 400NL pool having 40 entries while 200NL has 6, this happens quite a lot.

Its complicated but I think its caused by a few issues:

1) Bootcamps tend to split the games between 100NL and below, and 200NL+. This means that all the regs who play a mix of 50NL, 100NL and 200NL may well quit all their 200NL volume in favour of lower stakes. The 200NL and 400NL regs just play 400 to max out leaderboard points in the higher leaderboard. So nobody plays 200NL. As someone who likes playing 100NL and 200NL this is extremely frustrating because the bootcamps incentivise dropping the 200NL games for 50NL games which is kind of nuts given the site rakes a lot more at higher stakes.

2) The highest stakes are kind of the far end of the bell curve, so include everyone who wants to play 400NL plus everyone who wants to play 500NL, 600NL, 800NL, 1KNL etc.

3) A lot of the 400NL regs are grinding for huge rewards and want to just max out volume at the highest stakes, they dont want to play lower and get less in rewards.

4) Effective rake at 400NL is lower (in BB/100) which means people are more willing to battle shorthanded, plus I think the 400 regs tend to be more willing to battle each other. I think a lot of the regs in the 200NL games are taking a shot and normally play 50NL or 100NL so they are incredibly quick to leave the moment they think the game is no longer good.

 

 

 

 

 

 

True. Very well pointed