Tom Siddle

No I didn’t mean my new winrate is €3.5 an hour, I mean before it was €14 per hour and if the rake was 2.5% it would of been €3.5 per hour. That is the difference the rake makes. Probably worse than that now due to far fewer deeper games. That will happen to all the regs win rate within a few months. That’s not really a complaint tbh I just wanted to say the reality. Of course you want more traffic, that’s done by the better exposure, that would of increased of revenue alone, but someone also said they wanted us to pay more to play. unibet banzai players bad to decent are about to get cleaned up.

This year I made €14 per hour over 300 hours. A very small % of banzai pool will have that EV (they might have earnt it over small sample due to variance) €14 an hour has been reduced to €3.5 with new rake, ofc games better but I think that extra EV is more than cancelled out by much shorter games. meaning 2023 with current game setup hardly any players would make peanuts really. I am okay with the new rake, I just think more needs to be done to make the games less short. Regardless of winners, losers, winrates, banzai is more fun with mixture of semi stacks rather than everyone having 10bb. It seems it’s your job to defend how unibet making a lot more money from us is actually in the interest of the players.

Is it possible to have the scroll bar back for betting on mobile? At the moment when I want to bet a certain size I have to click a button and then press 3 and then press OK and then press bet, (when I don’t want to bet say exactly half pot) With the scroller it is so quick to scroll to approx the number and press bet

Yes some people make a living from other sites with bigger rake but not in games that are consistently this short stack due to multiple factors. Anyway even if I’m a winner or not I would like to battle players in this 20bb-70bb region. These games are breaking so quick due to 5 handed and new players, and games are shorter stack due to non transfer over tables and ratholing and new players and 90s rule. It definitely has become a bit of a house game and im guessing it’s a fantastic decision from unibet in terms of their revenue

I think this has kind of become like a house game now like blackjack. It is just 10bb spins now as opposed to the mixture of 10bb-70bb stacks that there use to be, as several factors are making the game super short. when the game is super short there isn’t much edge between players making it a house game and then additionally there is now higher rake. I miss the competitive long and deeper banzai sessions. Now everyone is just 10bb spinning with very small edge. The house (unibet) must be absolutely cleaning up right now cos there are twice as many players and 2.5x the rake. Of course can still find some fun games that become mix of 10-70bb as opposed to everyone spinning 10-20bb but they are much rarer now

Two things 1) Everyone wants the option to keep their stack, if the table breaks the player would very likely want to keep the stack, otherwise they likely would have already ratholed, so most people that don’t rathole will wanna keep their stack after a table breaks. 2) I agree more recs means shallower games, (Also 5 handed means shallower cos recs leave quicker when it goes to 2 or 3 handed) (Also new rake makes games shallower) you don’t have to compound this and make games even more shallower by losing stack after a game finishes. Cheers, Tom

I mean I miss the games where we battle and bluff and have bigger spins and hero call whether the players are better than me or worse than me, due to the games being shorter (On average they’re shorter), I know there still is some deeper games

There’s more players cos it’s been advertised well, you can still have more players and keep stacks every time the game breaks. Everyone wants the option to keep their stack. It’s even more important to keep stacks now that games are shorter stacked due to ratholing and rake. I’ll play anyone worse than me or better than me but either way I’m losing the games where you bluff and battle and have big sweaty all ins

And there’s loads of heads up now due to shorter stacks and 5 handed tables which is not the most desirable game for recs

I know I've been a bit negative but not quite enjoying game as much due to the shallow game. The stacks are really shallow compared to before especially 9am-9pm when people are much likelier to need to do something for 10-15m and lose their stacks. Also because you lose stacks when table breaks. Also because rake is higher. All these things are making the game shorter and tending more towards just 10bb all in spin. I enjoy the 10bb spins but then enjoy the game becoming a 20bb-70bb game with lots of battling and bigger pots and bigger bluffs, and weird side pots where someone jams 10bb and 2 people call 70bb deep, and the tension of youve built your stack to 40bb and do you dare bluff it or hero call off cos then you'll be back to starting from scratch. All this makes the game a great thrill which is why in banzai you want deeper games that more regularly become 20bb-70bb games Some of the games are still getting deep of course but it is less common. Another example now 39 players in pool top stack 44. And definitely think recs prefer these games turning into a game where there are a variety of mixed stacks and crazy hands, (over the repeated 10bb spins).

Has there been many changes to B20 player pool? (New players) or is it pretty similar to before, just going on the first week

They enjoy the spins but the 20-60bb poker is also super fun, especially when there’s a mix of stacks from 10bb-60bb I’m pretty sure most recs if given the choice would wanna keep their stack

I think all players including recs would want to keep their stack once a table finishes, the rec is also gunna be upset when they have a big stack and lose it, they enjoy playing deeper bigger juicier pots and wilder hands.

Yes I think all this is making the games shallower stacked, and less big pots/action. plus a bit tilting if erryone leaves and you lose your stack

I was in a sick game on desktop and needed the toilet and had to switch to phone logs me out then back in, and was forced to play on the toilet. The 90s has to be be changed to 3 or 4 minutes I think it’s pretty stupid tbh.

Think it just creates a shorter game which is less of a fun game, things get much more exciting around 20/30/40/50+bbs, bigger pots, more bluffing, more at stake. plus it’s poker etiquette. I understand your point though for sure.

Surely even if it is once that is too many? inagine if a rec player loses to another rec player and they rathole, the guy is gunna be raging. I mean I’m gunna be raging as well but you’re thinking about the recs, if that happened to a rec in a live game he’d flip the table over.

Cos banzai is pretty different from regular cash. you rathole 300bb to 100bb regular cash you still have a competitive multiple street decision making game at 100bb, the banzai games really heat up when they are deeper. if you rathole 100bb to 10bb at banzai it is back to just spinning, very limited decision making push fold kind of game, so in regular cash you don’t lose the element of battling when somebody ratholes, in banzai you do, when they rathole you’re just back to shoving ranges of charts. Which is fun at start but banzai gets exciting deeper you get. My personal opinion strongly don’t think anyone should be able to rathole once

It is fast anyway when temporarily 1 person is sitting out for 3-4 mins and 4 people are playing, 90s is mad. Recs are just gunna punch their screen when they answer door to someone or take a phone call and you kick them out. I can’t believe how ratholing is being justified and defended as good for the game here, you should be a lawyer.

Yeah there’s no way in the world ratholing is good for the game. Mainly no one wants to lose their stack anyway it’s just their stack gets wiped out when inevitably at some point they are away for more than 90s which will happen to nearly everyone, they then rejoin with the lowest stack. This is gunna infuriate people. And even if they did wanna rathole it shouldn’t be allowed. It is so bad for the game. Recs will hate the 90s rule, everyone will really just cos it’s so inconvenient, has to be some balance between previous 8m and this.

Yeah agree with a lot of what the wizard said above, Particularly to do with SNs, the 90s timeout, ratholing, and a lot of the positive things as well. I think it’s a bit boring not associating any name to a player ever, I think we need names for people, but I agree the fact that you could change every day but the recs kept the same name hurts the recs. Maybe we could have 3 or 5 names but for a week or month instead. If not the fun new names given at random are not all that bad.

So you’re out for 90 seconds and you come back with the lowest stack on the table, some weaker players, recs, newbies, whoever can easily rathole a massive stack, which is outrageous really, and awful for the game

Yeah I definitely see your point about 5 handed having to keep people seated to keep the game going, I just think 90s is too extreme for regs and recreationals, no rec wants to go toilet and get kicked out. and why once you rejoin straight away do you not keep your stack and rejoin with lowest, that seems pretty harsh. cos people are rushing and answering the door and losing an entire €400 euro stack and having to rejoin with 20. I understand why you would wanna reduce the previous time but surely not straight after the 90s?

Guessing this has been said before but isn’t the 1m30 sit out time a bit extreme? I sprinted to the toilet and came back I was kicked out. I am now keeping water bottles next to my computer to go for a piss.