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@Stubbe-Unibet wrote: We have decided to run one last week of double trouble and super double trouble tournaments, so if you lost more than €20/€200 last week, you will have received a ticket now. The tournaments will show in the client in 20 minutes. You guys can't be serious. I was here ysterday reading about this been cancelled and decided that no reason for me to play today any longer. Maybe 30-60min after you announce this and credit tickets.   You couldn't arrange it on wednesday, thursday or next weeks tuesday?  ... View more

@GR1ZZL3R Yes. That was the pattern I was thinking of trying out. Raked ones was heavily -ev yesterday so if you keep on flipping in the 2€ ones, you're probably going to break even or loose a little. But all in all, starting from 2c flips you could get some value.  ... View more

@GR1ZZL3R So there has to be overlay in some flip tournaments. That's something I've thought every now and then but still haven't had energy to track those tourneys. And raked flip tourneys needs to have a huge overlay to be profitable in a long run and yesterday I checked those and didn't find a single raked tourney with overlay.   I' m not really fan of lottery so zero ev flips I won't even consider.  ... View more

Just out of curiosity @FunckyFish. Have you tracked your winnings-BINs? Have those been worthy to you? I don't know if I've ever register in a single one with real money.  ... View more

@SCOBY   Yes. Same situation there and I kind of understand that there's no "rules" for the loosing hands in a tournament which us based on luck only. But still I don't think it should be this way.   Let's say this kind of tournament happens 2-3 times per day. FunkyFish registers them for 14 days in a row. FunkyFish has the 2nd best hand once a day and sits next to button. Still RNG is against him every time and he ends up being last. 40c BIN lost 42 times resulting 16,80€ negative for his bakroll in stead of getting 22,40€ back from those tourneys and a 5,80€ positive result for his bankroll.   I know that these are really small amount of moneys and when Unibet doesn't rake those tourneys they don't probably have any motivation to make this system even look fair. Although, Stubbes argument will be that it is already fair when it's totally random. It just doesn't look that way.  ... View more

@Pickleman @Livertool Here is the seat order. Duvan77 had the button. So, SCOBY was as far away of the button as he could be. 3 players between him and button on both sides.   ... View more

@Livertool   In this case that can't be the case. This tournament had only this one hand played at this table.   I at least hope that in other flip tournaments which are deeper it's based on that like in other poker tournaments.  ... View more

@FunckyFish   Even tho these are based only on luck, I don't think that this is the right way to share tickets/prizes. There was 3 tables in that tournament so there could have been even a straightflush which didn't get a ticket if someone else had a bigger straightflush.   Waiting for @Stubbe-Unibet to give his opinion about this. I already know that he thinks this is all fine and no need to make any changes. I just want to hear the logic behind it.  ... View more

@SCOBY   That's quite clear. And I'm not being salty here. I was not even close to having good enough hand. I just feel that having 5th best hand at the table is not really worth a price.    Unibet has tens or hundreds flip tournaments in a day. Some people register in those with their deposited money. Don't you think that this should be fair? If you loose to pair of fives with two pairs just because someone had a straight, it's kind of stupid.   And I brought this up only because I think it's clearly unfair. Not for me, because I don't loose anything to these tourneys.  ... View more

  @Stubbe-Unibet Here's one of those guys. Timed out with out time bank three times in and never sat out.  ... View more

@Livertool This is something that I've noticed too. I'm pretty sure that they just close the table for 20-30 seconds and then open it again. If this is what @Argevolen meant before, it's a real problem. Players stalling with out loosing their time bank should be against the rules too. But I hope, that Unibet will react to it if you just report these people.  ... View more

@Argevolen I play a lot of MTTs on many sites. On Unibet only a few every now and then. But I really don't get what is this exsessive time banking? Could you please explain me. It has to be something that happens only on Unibet. On other sites about 90% of short stack players stall close to bubble or a money jump. Basically this means that no one gets a real advantage of it. So it's just part of tournament poker. You have to deal with it.  ... View more

@Argevolen wrote: @Pionrj wrote: Sounds like the Ratholing just hit you hard? Slowrolling or tanking might be annoying but widely used by MTT players on every server. Ratholing in other hand is blocked by majority of the Poker rooms. So I'd say that you have to come up with a better excuse. There is a huge difference between: - The technical blocking of the possibility of ratholing - The possibility of getting your account banned at any time if your actions are perceived as ratholing. I don't know of any poker rooms that take this approach to dealing with the issue of rotolining. Perhaps you can tell me at least one? I haven't received an email about ratholing. I would never specifically do something like that in a regular game. But when I'm wagering cash tickets  my actions could easily be perceived as ratholing. Such a solution brings me more risks and inconvenience than benefit. If anyone likes it, no problem. But then don't complain...   I'm not sure, what is the question you wanted an answer? But just for example, GG&PartyPoker has it on their rules, that players who do this will be first warned then banned. UPoker uses CT, which doesn't let winning players to leave the table with their stacks before the time has gone. Timer is different on different tables but usually it's something between 10-30 minutes. ... View more

@Argevolen wrote: @Andy-Unibet wrote: Hi @FreedoM, How we would deal with players that ignore any warnings we give them would obviously be on a case by case basis and I hope we don't have to do it with any of the players that received this email or any other we send in future. Having said that, we also have to consider whether it is worth allowing a single player back when they've made the playing experience of many other customer worse in the past. We don't take account blocking/closure lightly and it is considered a last resort.  As far as I'm concerned, if a player received a one month block and then came back and continued to persistently rathole then a 3 month, 6 month or 1 year block is not going to change their behaviour. The email sent out should be the trigger for these players to reflect on their behavior and decide if they want to change it or not. Automatic ratholing prevention is on the development roadmap and will hopefully eliminate this issue in the future. Slowroll is also unethical behaviour. Etiquette and poker are not compatible at all! We are not in an English club for aristocrats. Many annoying things are part of the players' strategy.  Constant use of timebank on the bubble in a tournament is also unethical behaviour. Banning player accounts for one thing and turning a blind eye to everything else is also unethical behaviour. Sounds like the Ratholing just hit you hard? Slowrolling or tanking might be annoying but widely used by MTT players on every server. Ratholing in other hand is blocked by majority of the Poker rooms. So I'd say that you have to come up with a better excuse. ... View more

Was about to come and whine about this too. I first thought that the surprise ticket for the flip tournament was accidentally spelled as a HexaPro ticket.  ... View more

It's no relevant but "Konsultti" at least is almost certainly Finnish. I'm too but haven't even thought of doing any shady stuff in these games. The gain is just not worth it.   But does Unibet change knowledge of these cheaters with other companies or is it illegal? I'm pretty sure that someone who cheats on some site, does it in other sites too.  ... View more

@SickOldIMLOF Oh. That sounds reasonable.  ... View more

@Andy-Unibet Do you have any idea how long has this been going on? I'm pretty sure that I've played in the same table with this "konsultti" months ago. Not that I think that there was anything shady then, but for transparency it would be nice to know how long people can keep on stealing before getting caught.   E. And another thing I was wondering while playing cash games for the moving up -campaign. How much of this happens there? There's few players who joins the table, posts one bb and leaves immediately. And this has happened more than once. The reason could be anything but it seems like they are trying to find the "right" table. It could also be that there's someone who they don't want to play with. Idk.  ... View more

@Andy-Unibet That's the game. You can check the other one too which started less than minute before this one. I was playing it aal the way.  ... View more

@FreedoM Thank you. For some reason, I don't have the gift box on my software anymore.  ... View more

@GhostyToasty They do, but this community is probably the slowest way to get anything happen. I've requested via twitter some markets before and I think only once they could not deliver. It's easier if they already have the match/tourney/what ever on the list so they need to add just some new options in there.  ... View more

I don't think there's a single browser anymore that supports Adobe Flash. So, there should not be any live games or services that requires it. There's simply nothing that you yourself can do if that roulette doesn't work without flash.  ... View more

@Stubbe-Unibet That's not what I meant. I'd rather see like 5-6 different tasks where you need to complete 3 to get the rewards. It's some where between stupid and ridiculous to demand NLH MTT player to play Cash PLO as long that they get 4 same suit hole cards. Just for example.   But I see that you were talking about challenges and not missions. With the current challenges you can't really count value at all for them. Completing a samll challenge takes 10-50 hands and that's what 0,8 cents (0,008€) in value. With 32 hands raked 32 cents in NL4, it's 4% RB.   That's true, that the rake is small in NL4 compared to other sites. But it's kind of like flexing with a win of the biggest p3nis in the microp3nis category.  ... View more

@spid3rix How is there that much money in the table on NL25?  ... View more

@Stubbe-Unibet Where do you think, that the actual value is for the player if you "make" them play games which they'd normally not play   Are you gonna change this system, where you force players to sng/cash games etc. when no one really would'nt play all those without it being mandatory to gain this "huge value" of those prices? ... View more

You should probably look more for the hoghest rake back than for the lowest rake. Unibet is probably the least favorite platform for the cash games players because there's no rb at all.    What comes to the bots, there's an interview where one of the software designers say, that there's no need to work to find bots when there's so small amount of games going on so no one would bother to code a bot to Relax Gamings software. The interview is couple years old, so that might have changed.  ... View more