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As a relative newcomer to the site, I am a little sheepish to take a strong position.

I really enjoy  the mix of bounties and prizes/tickets in the freerolls, but I think there it would be interesting to see a mix - some tourneys purely bountie oriented and others bounties and prizes.

Since the bounties have been (temporarily removed) I feel play has markedly degenerated as the number of prizes/tickets is limited. It appears many players can't be bothered to patiently play through the tourney and the number of all-ins early days is absurd. With the bounties in play people are to a degree more measured and you have an incentive to keep playing astutely- one can keep picking up additional bounties along the way.

That said, I genuinely feel excited to make a final table, receive tickets and use those for more serious puposes. I am not sure this helps the debate much other than saying I like the mix...the bounties along the way to a possible more  'serious' prize/ticket. I know the two combined (bounty and MTT ticket) encourage me play more strategically.

 

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@Leo-Unibet wrote:


@MadAdo wrote:

@Leo-Unibet  we need either 'more ITM' or replace all freerolls by bounty-hunting approach only (no ITM, just bounties?) or survivor come-back.

Current ITM model:

25e GTD -> 7 out of up-to 750 players (0.933%)

50e GTD -> 11 out of up-to 750 players (1.466%)

100e GTD -> 19 out of up-to 1000 players (1.9%) - best value so far, but once a day only ...

Good "point" is that there is not so huge demand on them like during famous "bounty" times ... just try to thinking some-what loudly :geek:


Hey @MadAdo  

I realize it's terrible few prize  compare to the number of participates we're giving out in these freerolls. 

If there is €25 to spend on a freeoll there isn't much room for giving out more than 7 prizes. Would you prefere if we gave out just €0,20-tickets and had up to  100 prizes?  I like to give less winners a more significant value ticket. It's good that you mentions this, I already had on my to do list to go over the giveouts in free/centrolls. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.     


Have you given some thought to this type of payout?

 

The 100eu Freeroll could pay 65 people

1 = 10eu MTT ticket

2-5 = 5eu MTT ticket

6-15 = 2eu MTT ticket

16-65 = 1eu MTT ticket

 

The 50eu Freeroll could pay 35 people

1 = 5eu MTT ticket

2-6 = 2eu MTT ticket

7-35 = 1eu MTT ticket

 

The 25eu Freeroll could pay 16 people

1 = 5eu MTT ticket

2-6 = 2eu MTT ticket

7-16 = 1eu MTT ticket

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@Leo-Unibet wrote:


@MadAdo wrote:

@Leo-Unibet  we need either 'more ITM' or replace all freerolls by bounty-hunting approach only (no ITM, just bounties?) or survivor come-back.

Current ITM model:

25e GTD -> 7 out of up-to 750 players (0.933%)

50e GTD -> 11 out of up-to 750 players (1.466%)

100e GTD -> 19 out of up-to 1000 players (1.9%) - best value so far, but once a day only ...

Good "point" is that there is not so huge demand on them like during famous "bounty" times ... just try to thinking some-what loudly :geek:


Hey @MadAdo  

I realize it's terrible few prize  compare to the number of participates we're giving out in these freerolls. 

If there is €25 to spend on a freeoll there isn't much room for giving out more than 7 prizes. Would you prefere if we gave out just €0,20-tickets and had up to  100 prizes?  I like to give less winners a more significant value ticket. It's good that you mentions this, I already had on my to do list to go over the giveouts in free/centrolls. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.     


Have you given some thought to this type of payout?

 

The 100eu Freeroll could pay 65 people

1 = 10eu MTT ticket

2-5 = 5eu MTT ticket

6-15 = 2eu MTT ticket

16-65 = 1eu MTT ticket

 

The 50eu Freeroll could pay 35 people

1 = 5eu MTT ticket

2-6 = 2eu MTT ticket

7-35 = 1eu MTT ticket

 

The 25eu Freeroll could pay 16 people

1 = 5eu MTT ticket

2-6 = 2eu MTT ticket

7-16 = 1eu MTT ticket


Or they could add the removed bounty pp to the original one.

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@Leo-Unibet wrote:


@MadAdo wrote:

@Leo-Unibet  we need either 'more ITM' or replace all freerolls by bounty-hunting approach only (no ITM, just bounties?) or survivor come-back.

Current ITM model:

25e GTD -> 7 out of up-to 750 players (0.933%)

50e GTD -> 11 out of up-to 750 players (1.466%)

100e GTD -> 19 out of up-to 1000 players (1.9%) - best value so far, but once a day only ...

Good "point" is that there is not so huge demand on them like during famous "bounty" times ... just try to thinking some-what loudly :geek:


Hey @MadAdo  

I realize it's terrible few prize  compare to the number of participates we're giving out in these freerolls. 

If there is €25 to spend on a freeoll there isn't much room for giving out more than 7 prizes. Would you prefere if we gave out just €0,20-tickets and had up to  100 prizes?  I like to give less winners a more significant value ticket. It's good that you mentions this, I already had on my to do list to go over the giveouts in free/centrolls. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.     


@Leo-Unibet  I think that "mix" of multiple/various "types" of freerolls should be highly appreciated by most of us (nano-stakes aka recreational players).

Personally I would like to keep that 100 GTD because it offers juicy rewards for top placed players 👍

But some of 25 should be maybe replaced by 25x 1MTT or even 1 of bonus-points (using clasic 10-15% payout) tournament freeroll.

Having survivor (payout 20% of the field) should be really high-volatile one 🆗

Also one 'bounty-only' would be awesome (if possible) - e.g. 4cents bounty and 750 max. players result into just 30 prizepool - think could be maintained once, twice a day ...

As I told already before, having "BP buy-in" flips should also allow players to use remaining BP balance which cannot be converted otherwise ... just an further idea

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I think the current payout structure is almost perfect. Flatter pp would increase the number of entrance/ would require the incredible speed timing registration reaction like in the 18.15 CET freerolls from the players. The rewards are juicy but you have to fight for it, so I like the balance. What I can imagine is the more €0.20 tickets instead of bounties. For example +20-25 places with those tickets+the reigning pp structure without bounties.

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Every 25 € is a very good idea with this 25x 1MTT. It is known that the 4NL ticket is much better, but 7 places are really a great challenge.

If I could advise something, I would change the € 25 freeroll as mentioned by my colleague above, but for 50 and 100 € I would suggest "bounty ko", where for every eliminated player gets bounty, as it was always with the fact that after being thrown for a player, your bounty grows (e.g., 0.02 -0.04-0.06). Later, if you get rid of a few players, then you become a tasty morsel for another player, for example, € 0.36. Certainly more people would attract it.

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More variation on the prizes on these freerolls could be nice too:

- Omaha could ( imo should ) award omaha cash tickets.

- Some could award hexapro tickets

- Some could award MTT tickets.

- The big one ( €100 ) could even award poker bonus points, so one could buy whichever type of tickets they prefer from the bonus store with their winnings.

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For me its strange that while in the regular MTTs the ITM zone got wider, in freerolls 7 get paid out of 750! You want more people having a good experience in MTT`s, why dont you want that in freerolls? 17% (w the current 25 GTD) would be terrible, but there is room to widen it from 1%. Thats a very bad experience when you battle for 2 hours and try to avoid the donkfest, you reach the Final Table and still end up with nothing - 8th or 9th place. Waste of time. I like the bounties, at least it makes me play w this current payout structure. But if you remove them and add to the regular pp, that would be a big boost, +15e in the 25e freeroll, lets say + 15 x 1e MTT tickets. 22 paid places would be way better for 750 ppl, and there could be still "juicy" cash tickets on top. Unibet is doing the best in giveaways and freerolls, offering more money for freerollers than any other room, so it wouldnt be nice to ask for more, and for bigger GTD`s. Instead of that the bounty value could be exchanged for tickets. 

The other thing i was wondering, that why the prizes are not flexible? I mean when there is cash promo, you give cash tickets in the freerolls, when there is a hexa promo, you give hexa tickets, when there is UOS, you give UOS tickets etc etc. Or when you feel like the number of participants dropped somewhere, lets say in SNG`s, you give SNG tickets. The betting freerolls sometimes work like that, and i love it (this week there are added hexa tickets). 

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Two weeks after the last entry and nothing has changed :scared: , there are no clues whether the bounty will return or not. During this time, it can be seen that there are a lot less people playing and once in the € 100 freeroll, you had to register very quickly when you opened the registration because it was full at the moment and now there are 300-350 people open and only after a few minutes the maximum is broken.

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@UpizGaNy wrote:

Two weeks after the last entry and nothing has changed :scared: , there are no clues whether the bounty will return or not. During this time, it can be seen that there are a lot less people playing and once in the € 100 freeroll, you had to register very quickly when you opened the registration because it was full at the moment and now there are 300-350 people open and only after a few minutes the maximum is broken.


@UpizGaNy it is bad? I mean 300-350 field,  I'm curious :)

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@UpizGaNy it is bad? I mean 300-350 field,  I'm curious :)

 

Freddy, you misunderstood me and please do not scare :Scared: me in my dreams :Sleepy: , hehe. I was talking about the turnout and the time the tournament was in, and if it was about bounty it was bad, but without a bounty it is known that fewer people are more likely to get a ticket.


 

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I honestly did not want to comment again, as I was the first to remark/question the 'temporary' removal. As the Unibet reply was prompt and positive, I chilled but as more days turned to weeks I admit to being frustrated.

I think there is evidence of a self inflicted black eye on two fronts...

UpizGaNY- you are correct in noting how the interest in freerolls has diminshed significantly. I live half was round the world in a very different time zone and registration is still available 20 minutes later after opening at certain times of the day. Prior to this period registration would be full in seconds.

A secondary consequence which I made note of in my first post, is the entire vibe of these tourneys has declined dreadfully. We are all aware there is a sort of free-wheeling agressive bent to playing in freerolls.  However it now appears people are so frustrated they play in an angry, even spiteful mood. Repeated all-ins or just sitting on the clock running the time down, over and over from the very outset of play. Its left such a bad taste in my mouth I can hardly be bothered to check in anymore.

And, the negative feeling frustrates me.

Whatever the faults with on line freerolls or play money, I generally dislike criticism because posters seem to forget they are getting a wonderful opportunity to play, amuse and educate themselves for free, and that is something to appreciate. But in this case, it feels like an odd, negative situation with little attention being paid.

 

 

 

 

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I think the new format with no bountys, but bonus points if you finish in the top 20... is a much better way to go.

Leave them bountys & forget about what everyone else is doing & take advantage of the situation, rather than  (*And, the negative feeling frustrates me.) & make some bank from their bad plays,

You are the only one who is allowing you to feel negative. Only you pick your feelings @DFS3, no one else !

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Great news @RayL... thanx for the speedy reply. Something to look forward to !!!

I think 2 days in a row will be better cause it gives more Community Members a chance to get on the Leaderboard.

there you go @psrquack... ask & he shall receive :atisfied:

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@RayL wrote:

Was thinking of next week @Nestabear, today we have planed Casino, after that Sports for 2 days and then Poker. Tuesday would be the day. Do you guys think we should do 2 days in a row again?


Sounds like a good plan. 2 days is long enough to try make it in top positions and also gives you one rest day :) Only thing i'm concerned about is @psrquack  health and lack of 😪 :laugh:

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@RayL wrote:

Was thinking of next week @Nestabear, today we have planed Casino, after that Sports for 2 days and then Poker. Tuesday would be the day. Do you guys think we should do 2 days in a row again?


I'm a little bit confused. So the regular freerolls will replaced with freerolls paying top20 bonus points from next week and there will be the next one of make us proud from tuesday?

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@RayL wrote:

Was thinking of next week @Nestabear, today we have planed Casino, after that Sports for 2 days and then Poker. Tuesday would be the day. Do you guys think we should do 2 days in a row again?


Sounds like a good plan. 2 days is long enough to try make it in top positions and also gives you one rest day :) Only thing i'm concerned about is @psrquack  health and lack of 😪 :laugh:


They don't say it's a who lasts longer challenge yet, but they will run out of free stuff before they can break me even if I will get some help from the North: -)

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@RayL wrote:

Was thinking of next week @Nestabear, today we have planed Casino, after that Sports for 2 days and then Poker. Tuesday would be the day. Do you guys think we should do 2 days in a row again?


I'm a little bit confused. So the regular freerolls will replaced with freerolls paying top20 bonus points from next week and there will be the next one of make us proud from tuesday?


No. Nothing will change in regards to the Unibet Poker client regular freerolls for now. And for sure this sistem with Poker Bonus Points will not be implemented soon, at least , as an alternative to the old bounties. This thread is just going sideways now and misleading.

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"Whatever the faults with on line freerolls or play money, I generally dislike criticism because posters seem to forget they are getting a wonderful opportunity to play, amuse and educate themselves for free, and that is something to appreciate".

Perhaps you did not quite grasp this paragraph in my post (?), so I hardly need steering towards positivy.

The point made, which sparked my reply was the interest (and in my opinion tone) of the freerolls has lessened. As for my point (and others) that the frerolls now take many minutes to fill, lets have a moderator confirm what I and others have stated. Or I can cite a tourney and time when registration remained open for an extended period.

Nothing to do with positivity (or not) but simply fact.

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@UpizGaNy wrote:

Two weeks after the last entry and nothing has changed :scared: , there are no clues whether the bounty will return or not. During this time, it can be seen that there are a lot less people playing and once in the € 100 freeroll, you had to register very quickly when you opened the registration because it was full at the moment and now there are 300-350 people open and only after a few minutes the maximum is broken.


It likely won't happen anytime soon. It's not something I can prioritize right now given the other issues, improvements and features we've got on the backlog.

In my opinion, the regular freerolls are first and foremost an offer to new customers. You can try poker (albeit a slightly crazy kind) without risking anything and see if it's something for you - it's a tool that'll help you learn the very basics in a fun and free fashion. Here the prizepool doesn't matter that much, it's mostly the fact that you get to play against other players for free, and of course there should be some financial reward if you do really well. Considering this, it's not really a bad thing that the interest has decreased and it takes longer for them to fill. That being said, we do want to bring back the bounties :)

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@RayL wrote:

Was thinking of next week @Nestabear, today we have planed Casino, after that Sports for 2 days and then Poker. Tuesday would be the day. Do you guys think we should do 2 days in a row again?


 

Any chance on bingo again anytime soon? :)

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