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pinki Rank 22
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@Livertool wrote:


And what about the rest?

And how do you define that 10 parents if you come from part of city that all are more or less broke? That is the neighbourghood where usually number of students are high and teachers struggling.

Like wudu said, we used to have good level education and/cause of the numbers of students of class were under 20 even in big cities so socialsm worked.

And how do you implant that theory to outside populated cities? Fly students to school or just send them there for whole year? Here is big distances if we go out of capital area like i assume is in Poland too.


@Livertool maybe worked maybe not.but  still  stake owns your child in that way?  if you pay, you take it seriously..  I speak extremely generally, but I say that public education is inefficient. You will study there too long, too much, without the influence of  parents. 

Tell me  what doyou need  to start teaching math right now?  have you ever tutored someone? This is just a 1on1 school. If you were bad in teaching, the parent will find someone better. 

All restrictions are imposed by the state that even private schools often have rules from state schools.

Remember to you is the most important thing as a parent to educate children. It doesn't matter if it's a doctor, a farmer or a shoemaker. Because this child can later help with old age if needed. This is family. Child it is nota toy for20 years, this is best friend, 

But I am convinced that private education would work perfectly well in most cases. And it would be fair. But it will never be cheap if a great monopolist is on the market.  Clear like sun. 

Remember, churchs will also be able to open schools. our catholic schools are among the best. 

"Small opportunities are often the beginning of great enterprises."
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@Livertool wrote:


Yup, i have friend as teacher. And he is struggling, especially with immigrant students practically spitting at his face for lack of respect to authority. How do you teach anything in situation that is more like chaos?

But we want to save the world (mostly cause of Germany's guilt) so this is the way the world rolls these days. But it will end, hopefully sooner than later.

Brexit shall lead the way and this illusion will fall Smile


that's what @Livertool  is talking about  ....Public  education.  In  private school ->  remove from school. If Muslims  or  someone want to have their own schools, they will start them. simple very simple.  

can you imagine the state cell phones or  pc's? e are still in the age of Pentium 446 or Nokia brickSmile  

 

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WuDu Rank 22
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@pinki 

Can we agree on discussing one topic at a time? You switch topics like a mad man. We went from climate to gays to tax to insurance to EU to schools to etc...Laugh

Having said that, you're wrong on a lot of aspects, let me give you just one example from someone (me) who studied public finance. Speechless No income tax means the state generates funds via consumption tax. Poor people consume more of their income than rich people----> Poor people would be taxed harder. Under a consumption tax, rich people pay exactly the same than poor people for the same goods-----> Such a tax system is a lot more unfair.

Speaking of education:

Nobody forces anybody to study Gender Studies or Feminist Pottery. People should have the choice to do so, that's called freedom. It's the task of the parents to stop the children from such buffoonery...Laugh

I believe the way the German school/university system is/was set up is the ideal scenario. It's just been weakened by socialist influence over the years:

4 years of elementary school.

The smart kids then attend Gymnasium for 9 more years to graduate with the Abitur which gives you access to university.

The so-so kids attend "Realschule" for 6 years which prepares them for office jobs and the like.

The dumb kids Rofl and the ones being more "practically talented" attend "Hauptschule" for 6 years which prepares them for practical jobs.

No need for private institutions if this system isn't being messed with. Public university is practically free.

There's always room for improvement and learn from other nations, however as @Livertool said if you let parents 100 % decide what their kids learn, may God have mercy...Puking I can very well live without our muslim community raising the next generation to be totally welfare dependant! Laugh

Having said that, the 50 % smart kids will always make it, no matter the system, however as a state you cannot let the bottom 50 % go to waste...

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pinki Rank 22
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@Livertool  @WuDu  but let's return to Greta or EU  Smile  this is an interesting topic but for face-to-face discussions and 10-100h and 100 beers Smile

One thing is for sure, public education is like I said:
- ineffective
- long
- forces parents to make more effort for several years.
- it takes children many years of work and creating their own capital or family capital.

- It is not as free as many people think. Of course, for those only benefiting from social assistance, yes. so-called elite without  work,

and many many other things,in  summary :  very expensive. Rofl

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WuDu Rank 22
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@pinki wrote:

One thing is for sure, public education is like I said:
- ineffective
- long
- forces parents to make more effort for several years.
- it takes children many years of work and creating their own capital or family capital.

- It is not as free as many people think. Of course, for those only benefiting from social assistance, yes. so-called elite without  work,

 


 

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You might want to look up "student debt" in the USA and the exploding costs of tuition over there...

"I only understand friendship or scorched earth."
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pinki Rank 22
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@WuDu wrote:

@pinki 

Having said that, you're wrong on a lot of aspects, let me give you just one example from someone (me) who studied public finance. Speechless No income tax means the state generates funds via consumption tax. Poor people consume more of their income than rich people----> Poor people would be taxed harder. Under a consumption tax, rich people pay exactly the same than poor people for the same goods-----> Such a tax system is a lot more unfair.


@WuDu   how ? we think about income tax from indviduals(normal, state workers) - no company? you can enter what income Germany had from this title, what are the annual maintenance costs of this tax.   

What's wrong with paying taxes on consumption? If you have 300€  more in pocket you can spend more in shops, restaurats Smile Income Tax this is the evil, pure one. 

I'm confused. Do you prefer  take this € 300 in income tax, because they buy somethingmore  and pay for it, e.g. VAT when buying bread  + other taxes on companies.

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Livertool Rank 24
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Yeah, i am signing off for today... can't undertsand what we are writing about. But it was fun, giidy up Very Happy

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@WuDu wrote:

You might want to look up "student debt" in the USA and the exploding costs of tuition over there...


@WuDu  let's not get into it Smile 

ps.  who takes these loans?!  mom didn't teach?  The loan is bad. Start working and collect money if you can't afford it Smile stupid  americans Smile

Remember the loans also have an impact on the price Smile Flats would also be cheaper if not for such access to loans Smile 

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@WuDu   I found such an article yesterday..

https://www.politics.co.uk/reference/income-tax  <-  Background  section

there are no details for about  %  that were at the beginning, but after it you can see exactly why income tax was needed at the beginning.

but at the beginning it was paid, for example, by the UK only by 5-10% of the society, and maybe even less. Was introduced mainly during war periods, for several years.  And he was always treated as theft and robbery of the state against citizens, when it was not liquidated within the assumed time.

Another reason why he became a more frequent visitor in the system and grew was:

"Income Tax was formally repealed in 1816, a year after the Battle of Waterloo, but it was reintroduced in 1842 by Sir Robert Peel to deal with a massive public deficit."

"Throughout the postwar period, the trend in rates of Income Tax was upwards, as the state increased its range of responsibilities."

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Do you know how state manage and spend money? shortly: bad!! 

A little  joke, such  situation:  .you know how many people it takes to dig a trench: 1x10m and 2m deep in 8h with a shovel? Private company : 1 (100€).  State:  10 - two are working and 8 drinking coffee. cost: 2000€.  And remeber  besides  income tax,todays  you have many other taxes.   

this tax with a minimal and well-managed state is pointless. This is punishing people for work. The same function is fulfilled by social  help for lazy people.  

and you can see clearly with the development of so-called social-democracy taxes were rising and rising. state administration grew and grew.  Have you ever had a range of classes in public finance studies about: lowering 50% (and its only start, propably in every country 75% is useless there) state workers/ state  administration? will do the trick? and give them shovels and let them get to work? finally! Smile

or maybe they are constant in the formula? Wonder

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