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@pinki wrote:

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Robbed? In those times it was survival of the fittest and, I repeat myself now for the 132nd time, war was something very usual. I'd like to quote von Clausewitz on that one:


Yest Robbed! War is theft in most cases. You don't want to discuss it ,do you ?


 

Well OK, but then we also have to talk about the 7 million Germans that have been exiled at the end and after WW2 and have not been compensated by any Polish government at all. These people were robbed as well, this is not a one-way street just going at our direction. Up to 2 million German civilians in total were killed when the German population had to flee to the West. When can I expect my check from you? But OK, let's leave it at that...

Having said that, comrade @Livertool recently posted a clip of the Socialist Convention. Point of personal privilege! Could anybody take a look at the longer version during your next food break? Thank you, please don't clap, use Jazzhands , I'm in danger of sensory overload already:

So many great nuggets to find! China girl with the expensive MacBook is one of my favorites; 5:45 "we have a lot of disabled comrades and a lot of those are invisible disabilities" ( yes they are all r e t a r d e d Rofl ), and so on....

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For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ.
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

2 Corinthians 11, 13-15
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@WuDu wrote:


 

Well OK, but then we also have to talk about the 7 million Germans that have been exiled at the end and after WW2 and have not been compensated by any Polish government at all.


Have Germany ever claimed reparation for that? If not why not? Polish government did it. It's not their fault you don't have leaders who support citizens rights. Btw would you please write numbers? Polish claim: x euros for land, people, economy*1.5 because Germany was the attacker vs German claim for y euros for land, people, economy and then we could judge who owns who.

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@WuDu wrote:

Well OK, but then we also have to talk about the 7 million Germans that have been exiled at the end and after WW2 and have not been compensated by any Polish government at all. These people were robbed as well, this is not a one-way street just going at our direction. Up to 2 million German civilians in total were killed when the German population had to flee to the West. When can I expect my check from you? But OK, let's leave it at that...


@WuDu my great grandparents from both sides (mother and father)  they were brought from their homeland by Germans to German farms in Pomerania. To work here.  They lost their previous homes . I never go into details, but my parents' village was settled all this way after the war. employees of these farms got them for use after the war.  Do not confuse this with 100% ownership because you need to refresh your knowledge about the system that was here after the war.

I will not mention that people instead of getting rich and building a strong state worked as "slaves". This is the difference between western countries and our regions here (this applies not only to Poland).  

And now we have your thinking:  make claims from a state that has regained its pseudo-independence after 50 years. You know exactly that the "Great Three" has given these lands to the soviets, so all claims should be directed to the sovereign of these lands Smile

I don't know what the situation was like in the GDR, and what the Germans teach in schools about that period. Especially about the installation of the new state by the Soviets.  There is not enough talk in our schools. This period requires a new subject from history, separate to understand it thoroughly. Or later re-education.

And you still don't understand one important thing: the "Poland"  of 1945 is not the Poland  of 1939. These are non-sovereign areas, with a foreign army(regular, NKWD) in our area, if you assume that later there has been warming, because the Soviets began to weaken and we began to divide among communists and Trotskyists (also communists) also began to expose their faces here.

So @WuDu  This is a terrible mess. Let's not go further in this discussion because then we will have to thoroughly go through the period 1980-2000.  You didn't even mention how much "Bruttoinlandsprodukt" Poles generated in Germany year after year over decades. And they keep doing it. How many of them have stayed with you and how many have returned Smile This is also a consequence of the previous system and its continuation with us but in a different package.   What I see is Germany (not only) even looking at the events after the year 90 are a in plus. 

The division of Germany after the war was aimed at destroying yours industrial power in order to prevent war once again. You can't demand that after the war someone reparates you and it will be over. 

What I know of is that in Germany there were some organized regular fights against Hitler after he took power. You can see our army, the Polish army continued to fight after 1945 (with the support of civilians) and to destroy it we needed NKVD, the red army. So dont talk me about Nazis. Germany has been conducting an active policy since the 1960s to blame it on some Smurfs, no one knows where Smile

Let's finish this discussion because it doesn't make sense if you don't know exactly the mechanisms. That is why national factions are being fought so aggressively in Poland because they are appealing to Poland before the war. That is why Western Europe, probably somebody else, blocked truly de-communization and coming to power of real anti-communists, conservatives, liberals, and free marketers. In my humble opinion, Germany still rules here, now we may note a slight decline and you should enjoy it, so damn it talking Smile) We are a western colony and you do not need these areas: D

 

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Livertool Rank 24
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Is this fluffy bunny @WuDu ? 

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@psrquack wrote:

@WuDu wrote:


 

Well OK, but then we also have to talk about the 7 million Germans that have been exiled at the end and after WW2 and have not been compensated by any Polish government at all.


Have Germany ever claimed reparation for that? If not why not? Polish government did it. It's not their fault you don't have leaders who support citizens rights. Btw would you please write numbers? Polish claim: x euros for land, people, economy*1.5 because Germany was the attacker vs German claim for y euros for land, people, economy and then we could judge who owns who.


 

I'll hereby claim to be Adriana Lima's next boyfriend! Cannot buy me anything from to that "claim" as well...The keyword here is 2+4 agreement! The German government wanted to make peace with Poland and reunify the country and as I stated, terrible things happen in wars on both sides! I know for @pinki it's a big taboo to speak about that and severly goes against the narrative he's pushing here, otherwise he wouldn't have posted so much without answering the question, but the facts are the facts: After WW2, 7million Germans were exiled without compensation for their land, houses, factories etc. and Polish people were placed there. So, what about them? We're not talking about Nazi celebrities here but about regular German civilians that lived and worked there for generations. They were placed somewhere in Germany, received a little bit of pocket money from the German government, got angry stares from the native population and were sent on their way to work themselves up again.

All four of my grandparents were displaced people from the Eastern territories (East Prussia and Sudentenland), so I know a little bit about the circumstances. I can also understand that people who experienced the war directly have trouble making peace with the other side. My grandmother e.g. once was fuming at my aunt for buying a Skoda over 50 years later. Laugh However I have nothing to do with that, so no need for @pinki to transfer Unibet funds here Laugh. My point is, states in Eastern Europe had a veritable interest in wrapping things up with Germany as well, as they didn't want 12 M Germans coming back claiming their old property! 

"So @WuDu  This is a terrible mess. Let's not go further in this discussion because then we will have to thoroughly go through the period 1980-2000.  You didn't even mention how much "Bruttoinlandsprodukt" Poles generated in Germany year after year over decades".

WTF are you talking about? Strong economics knowledge on your part...So Poles working in Germany (probably sending back huge amounts back to support their families in your country) is now our fault as well? Laugh Now you're tripping...

 

 

For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ.
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

2 Corinthians 11, 13-15
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@WuDu wrote:

My point is, states in Eastern Europe had a veritable interest in wrapping things up with Germany as well, as they didn't want 12 M Germans coming back claiming their old property! 

 


Then again: Have your government ever protested against the still existing Benes-Decrees?

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@WuDu  thats why it is pointless now talking about it.  Like i said before: Poland is not sovereign country especially now in UE. EOT.

Propably in the future we will be fight again. it is unavoidable.  it is not my wish it is sad true. And it will probably be when creating a European army.

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I mentioned economic emigration only because it is the effect of those provisions and other things.  And its normal when finally in our gov we had some people with 10% polish blood in their vains they they are starting to talk about things that earlier governments did not talk about - not Polish governments Smile  I also think it's too late. If someone thinks otherwise ... It is work for lawyers. 

Like i said before. Nowdays in Europe we have problem with EU. So f..  borders and claimsSmile

This discussion is excellent for people from other countries who have no idea what communism was and what it could end with ... especially if today we know, for example, that Marx was a great poet and philosopher for the European Commission. They no longer even hide the true direction they are heading to - this is the replay of the story 1: 1,  even 1: 2.  This process has been going on for decades. 

At that time, Poles were able escape to: Sweden, West Germany and many many other places etc.  After closing the EU where  will we ( I mean people who value freedom -not only that- in other countries) escape? Great America? Turkey ? Russia? China? Africa?Australia ? Maybe it will be problems for future generations. Remember, they want to unite forever propably. 

For now, we have "luxury" in Europe, But when the "Chineses" stop working us ... Who will replace them?  God look after us!Very Happy

 

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@psrquack wrote:

@WuDu wrote:

My point is, states in Eastern Europe had a veritable interest in wrapping things up with Germany as well, as they didn't want 12 M Germans coming back claiming their old property! 

 


Then again: Have your government ever protested against the still existing Benes-Decrees?


@WuDuthis is the difference between Poland and Czechoslovakia after the breakup of the Soviets Very Happy Cool. I must deepen my knowledge of decommunization in these countries.

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@psrquack wrote:

@WuDu wrote:

My point is, states in Eastern Europe had a veritable interest in wrapping things up with Germany as well, as they didn't want 12 M Germans coming back claiming their old property! 

 


Then again: Have your government ever protested against the still existing Benes-Decrees?


You need to protest war crimes and mass killings now? Of course we let them now, because this declaration is probably a little bit more up to date, don't you agree?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech%E2%80%93German_Declaration

From the Czech government:

"the Czech party expresses their regrets at the post-war expulsion of Germans from Czechoslovakia and the expropriation and revocation of citizenship of the Bohemain Germans, including the many injustices ("Unrecht" in the German version – lawlessness) and suffering of innocents that came of this. The Czech party also expresses regret at the excesses, during the expulsion, that went unpunished.

In the fourth part, both sides declare the wrongs committed a problem of the past"

Suffering of innocents! Of course, Sudetendeutsche can't buy themselves anything with it, but unfortunately, this is how things go during war time. You cannot bring back the dead and property that's been robbed or destroyed is usually gone forever. The final sentence sums up what's best for the majority of people involved and I think the Polish government should follow that lead. 

 

For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ.
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

2 Corinthians 11, 13-15
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@WuDu wrote:

@psrquack wrote:

@WuDu wrote:

My point is, states in Eastern Europe had a veritable interest in wrapping things up with Germany as well, as they didn't want 12 M Germans coming back claiming their old property! 

 


Then again: Have your government ever protested against the still existing Benes-Decrees?


You need to protest war crimes and mass killings now? Of course we let them now, because this declaration is probably a little bit more up to date, don't you agree?

 

 


Asked if ever, but it seems your government never supported those citizens right to get the properties back. If this is good for you who am I to disagree?

 

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