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Hey @Sweeedeeen. Yes we're planning to implement the below during the first half of next year :)

* Limit ratholing to 5 times a day

* Only allow ratholing if >100bb with the Banzai rule <100BB. Which means that you can enter with 50BB, but if you leave with 80BB, you need to start with 80BB if you come back within xx minutes. But if you leave with more than 100BB, you're allowed to return with 100BB up to 5 times per day.

 

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My offer is just remove option of selecting buyin and set it to max. So if you have 276bb at your account you open first table with 100bb, second with 100bb, and third with 76bb without option to select buyin. Just max.

Same with tickets, when will be also max buyin by default without options

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I don't really understand whats the big fuss about shortstakers, does really matter if they rathole or whatever, they still show up at the tables and in the end by adjusting you take everything back and more. In my opinion you should be able to join a table with 1bb if you want to or everything you have in your account, regardless of the stakes. 😉

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@Stubbe-Unibet wrote:

Hey @Sweeedeeen. Yes we're planning to implement the below during the first half of next year :)

* Limit ratholing to 5 times a day

* Only allow ratholing if >100bb with the Banzai rule <100BB. Which means that you can enter with 50BB, but if you leave with 80BB, you need to start with 80BB if you come back within xx minutes. But if you leave with more than 100BB, you're allowed to return with 100BB up to 5 times per day.


 

Great job, can't wait until you ban bluffing and incorporate minimum standards for preflop raises!

 

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ofcourse not, but you will force the recs to play 100bb, because you can not handle the short stack regulars? is this fair? maybe you should learn how to play against smaller stacks....

 

``` But if you leave with more than 100BB, you're allowed to return with 100BB up to 5 times per day.```

 

hope you know how to play deep stacked Sweeedeeen.... this ist more difficult imo :D

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@Sweeedeeen wrote:


@Moe wrote:

recreationals dont want to play fullstacked and they will lose more if you force them to do so.... or they will play more banzai :>


recreational players do not play 10 tables


- MSS regulars will remain and become BSS regulars

- Recreationals will go to the casino

- You will go to dry your pants after playing with 5 regs at the table

 

 

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Alright guys, given your view on things, I think I have to add a few more details on this one - your perception of things and reality are two very different things.

We've obviously looked at the data when defining these rules. No recreationals will be seriously impacted by this, in terms of their own gameplay, the rules are designed to make the experience better for recreationals. Recreationals simply don't rathole a lot, and with the 5 times a day, there's close to 0 negative impact on recreationals.

We do get a lot of complaints regarding shortstack regs (not only from recreationals), and we've got some players ratholing +1k times a month; often leaving when there's as little as 1bb profit.

This change will have a big positive impact on the games. Sure, a few won't like it, but that's intentional :)

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@FreedoM wrote:

I don't really understand whats the big fuss about shortstakers, does really matter if they rathole or whatever, they still show up at the tables and in the end by adjusting you take everything back and more. In my opinion you should be able to join a table with 1bb if you want to or everything you have in your account, regardless of the stakes. 😉


The issues regs have with shortstackers is that they play for an effective stack of 50bb, while the others play for a mix of 50bb and 100bb. Although this is already infinitely better than the good old 20bb days, this means that the 50bb can drain EV from the overall game, without being exploited, while the bigstacks can't adjust correctly unless they're in SBvsBB with the 50bb stack.

Very simplistic: If 100BB CO opens, 100BB BTN has no way of correctly 3betting when SB has 50BB. If he 3bets his usual range vs CO, SB can exploit this as the sizing would be too big, and BTN would have to fold too often vs cold 4bets. If he would change his range/size, then he allows CO to exploit him.

secondary: I'm a big supporter of >100bb ratholing on the internet. It protects/prevents people from playing pots that are too big, especially on a site where you can't table select. In live poker one of the reasons has always been logistical, something you don't struggle with online.

I fear that if we implement these limitations, people will just stop sessions early when they won a few big pots in a row. Or they'll have to play the table hopping game where you open 10 tables to close the first 4/6.

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@DaVitsche wrote:.

I fear that if we implement these limitations, people will just stop sessions early when they won a few big pots in a row. Or they'll have to play the table hopping game where you open 10 tables to close the first 4/6.


@DaVitsche again, these changes are based on data :) a ratholing reg ending his session early is what we want to accomplish, so not a bad thing at all :) 

We will not impact any recreational (or, you can count them on one hand, looking at a week's of data) :) 

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@DaVitsche I personally don't care that much if you can start with 1bb, 100bbs or 1000bbs, ratholing, etc, as long as there are enough games running and rake is decent i will turn up to play everyday, but i feel like the traffic could get a boost by adding NL2. :lovekiss: Unibet! :inlove:

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I'll probably get a lot of flak for admitting it, bit I am a shortstacking ratholler !

(although I am a much better tournament player than cash player - and really only play cash as part of the monthly missions, or when time is short).

1) If people don't like me winning their money and then leaving the table - Does anybody think I care - LOL!

2) I dislike cash because people can buy the advantage of being a big stacked bully - wheras in tournames you have to earn that privilidge.

 

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@Omahahaha in that case you aren't the target of this change and this will not affect you in any way. Don't think anyone minds the occasional player buying in for less from time to time, they just mind the 10 dudes that do it 100 times a day.

As for big stack bullies in cash games, there's no such thing, everyone is always playing the effective stack and there's no ICM / tournament life to give the big stack any advantage.

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@Esir, the alias will be completely disregarded in terms of this, which I don't see as an issue. I get what you're trying to say; if someone reaches the limit, leaves the table, changes the alias and returns to the table within the defined timeframe, you'd be able to tell who it is by the stack size. Again, looking at the data, it's pretty much only ratholing regs who'll be impacted by these new rules.

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@Esir wrote:

@Stubbe-Unibet I'm really curious how this will work with the Alias change feature that Unibet offers and keeping the anonimity of players.


 

:laugh:

As if you wouldn't know already: Fruitcake69 joining the table with 5 Euro, running it up to 7.60 Euro, leaving before the next blinds, only to have TikietPliiiis sit on the same seat with 5 Euro a few seconds later. Hmmm, whom that might be? :laugh:

 

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