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Hi @fish8one,

I don't really understand your question?

I think the statement is quite clear as it is. It's all a math game, if the math adds up in the long run, you know that the RNG is working fine, if the numbers were lacking too much, you would know something is wrong.

Those kind of checks are industry standard if you want to get a license at the MGA for example.

So you have to trust us and the MGA on this because the exact procedures will not be made public for several understandable reasons.

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@Patric-Unibet

So for public only stuff like this can go:

--Every card in every poker game is randomly dealt from a standard deck of 52 playing cards. Independent auditors regularly perform recognized statistical tests on the data files generated by our Random Number Generator

--I'm not involved and therefore not exactly sure how the checks work, however I imagine they take statistics of millions of hands and compare the percentages with the actual.  ( btw id love if this would be true , not just your imagination )

--So you have to trust us and the MGA on this because the exact procedures will not be made public for several understandable reasons.

But that, if the concret hands played on any site (rng) was or was not tested, can not go public (btw for me a simple yes or no would not revailing the exact procedures )

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@Patric-Unibet

 It's all a math game, if the math adds up in the long run, you know that the RNG is working fine, if the numbers were lacking too much, you would know something is wrong.

Of the 103 million-plus hands analyzed, the outcome was determined without a showdown in 75.7% of the hands, meaning no player at the table was able to see anything other than his or her own hole cards and whatever community cards had been dealt. Of the remaining 24.3% of hands that went to showdown, only 50.3% of those hands were ultimately won by the player who had been dealt the best five-card hand. In other words, in only about 12% of the hands analyzed did the player who had been dealt the best five-card hand actually go to showdown and win.

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2009/03/cigital-study-players-skill-determines-holdem-outcome-1302.htm

 

Could you help me understand how it is ok by math...?

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Because equity denial is part of the math. That's why position is so important. Also in the study you love to quote all the time, it's important to note that they didn't just take any 2 random cards. There was already a preflop selection. Which means Player A raises Range X, player B defends range Z. Those two ranges match up well, otherwise either player A or player B are making big mistakes. So yes, showdown will be really close. The article therefore states that non showdown decisions are more important, hence implying that poker is indeed a game of skill, not chance.

Also, this article dates from 2009, nowadays WTSD (Went To ShowDown) is probably closer to 26-28% iirc, haven't played with a HUD in a long time, but the fact that people are defending their blinds in a more correct fashion should have this impact.

But bottomline: Trust is the most important commodity an online operator has, why would they risk that with their customers to influence the outcome of a hand, in which, they don't actually don't gain extra money, since the outcome of the hand has no influence over the rake taken. 

If you really want to discuss this, and you are open for discussion, feel free to drop by my stream (twitch.tv/davitsche) and discuss. But please, don't just randomly refer to that pokernews article all the time, because you clearly don't truly understand what it is about.

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@fish8one Dude you've repeated the same statement with the same link so many times, what the hell are you smoking? Read it again to yourself, sloooooowly!!!

 Of the remaining 24.3% of hands that went to showdown ...

When a hand goes to showdown the best 5 card hand wins every single time, 100%, cause it reached showdown, that's how the showdown works ... 

 

What the article is probably trying to say, if it even correctly interprets the study, which articles are prone to get wrong, is that around 50% of the time hands that would make the best 5 card hand just won't reach showdown, you know that 83o on a AK3 flop that folded preflop UTG or on the flop to a reraise  from an AK but the turn and river would have been 8 and 8. That 83o would have been the best hand at showdown but it just didn't reach it. The point of the article is that there's more to poker than just the way the cards get distributed, more than just luck. There's this weird thing called skill :haha:

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@Munkus wrote:

Is only me or there are exagerated number of bad beats and negative swings, compared also whith the site whith highest swing on market?

Have the RNG been tested to be fair?


The human brain is a master deveiver, always looking patterns that don't exist.

To understand the variance at Unibet, there are a few things that are important to understand.

1) Due to the main focus of Casino & Sportsbook, Unibet is one of the softest pokersites on the planet, especially microstakes/smallstakes.

2) Your opponents hand has a lot more equity than you imagine when holding random cards. Preflop allin in tournaments this is very noticable, and I realize this feels "unfair" when their 84o hits vs your AK or something.

3) you instantly forget about all non-showdown hands.

example: Your opponent calls you down with 67s on a A6Q K board versus your AK.

scenario 1: River X, you jam, opponent folds (this will happen 95.5% of the times)

scenario 2: River 6, you jam, opponent calls (this will happen 4.5% of the times)

now in your head it feels like 67 beat you and you lost money because of this, but the reality is that you probably won more money over time by your opponent going to the river and folding, even though you instantly forget about it.

4) Add 1, 2 and 3 together, and you understand how high variance is going to be on Unibet. Profitability of your game will be higher, but the swings will also be higher, because that 4.5% can come a few times in a row. It doesn't mean once every 20 times, it means that every time you get to the river, it has 1/20 chance to happen. Which sounds like the same, but is very different.

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@DaVitsche

Thank you Sir !

The " range versus range "... :)

Im gonna watch you on Twitch, GL !

@FeelsBadMan

Do you need some..? :)  

Btw the link was put here twice, the statement 3 or 4 times...

That sssooooooo many , right ?

On 8 pages , i had to copy a few ( oh sorry, soo many times i mean, Dude)times, because no one bothered to get any answer...

Till daVitsche˝s coment..

Thanks again GL to you all !

 

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Regular and Unibet....Dramatic story!

R: - Who checked your RNG?

U: - We earn poker only 2%

R: - Ok, what about RNG?

U: - RNG is normal

R: - Have а proof?

U: - A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...

R: - Someone checked RNG?

U: - Yes, someone checked

R: - Have a certificate?

U: - Can you just trust us?

R: - No, I want to be sure that the game is fair!

U: - The game is fair! Shut up and go entertain the fish.

R: - But how, if i lose all the hands?

U: - Ok, ok! On Mondays, we will allow you to rob the fish! Profit not witndraw, you will need it on Thuesday.

R:- Damn... Today is only Thursday... Lord give me strength!

THE END )))

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Speecheless  🤫  you can that higher chips is winning all the time the all in no mater what. For sure the RNG is not random,I belive it's all a lottery, the soft picks the winner befor a table is starting

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I've heard that when 5 players register for a SNG, @Stubbe-Unibet receives a phone call asking which player he selects to win. He generally chooses based on how funny he finds each of the aliases and the dealer then finds some nice coolers and beats in favour of said player. They're preset though but there are lots of good ones to choose from. My favourite is when you have 43 and you river a flush vs J8.

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@Boby wrote:

Speecheless  🤫  you can that higher chips is winning all the time the all in no mater what. For sure the RNG is not random,I belive it's all a lottery, the soft picks the winner befor a table is starting

 


@Boby Hi boss.  if you want to be my patient, give me a sign. I know some answers to your questions and doubts. I have several healings on my account, but I can't do anything without your approval. You know, medical ethics. Peace and love. 

@Sparrow473 can confirm :popeye: 

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