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Instead of having fixed prizes for the leaderboard and to give people a chance of a bigger prize even if they dont to get the top ranks, Would it be feasable to have a flip freeroll for seperste stages of the leaderboard, quick eaxmple below.

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RankReward
1€ 500
2€ 400
3€ 300
4€ 200
5€ 125
6-10€ 75
11-20€ 40
21-30€ 25
31-50€ 10
51-100€ 5


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1-5 flip 500 first 250 2nd-5th (25 left)

6-10 flip 150 first 50 2nd-5th(25 left)

11-20 flip 100 first 30 2nd-10th (30 left)

21-30 flip 75 first 20 2nd-10th (5 extra)

31-50 flip 50 first 10 2nd-20th (40 extra)

.51-100 45 first 5 2nd-50th (40 extra)

Works out the same in prize money but gives someone a chance to get a relativally big prize for the level they are at.

Also gives other people a chance at the top prize. Not sure if it would effect how the big grinders would play and if people grinding to get up a step would counteract if they played less.

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that means that cash games leaderboard could be the same?

why do you grind after all ? to have a flip tournament? is same as cash games bootcamp , why first 5 places will bother to grind if they would know that they will receive a flip ticket?

after all is still a poker game with a bit of grind and not a roulette . fighting for a better place gives you motivation to play. at least for me this promotion motivates me to play more than normal even if i am not in top 10 places .

i dont why we should transform everything into a roullette flip tournament

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that means that cash games leaderboard could be the same?

why do you grind after all ? to have a flip tournament? is same as cash games bootcamp , why first 5 places will bother to grind if they would know that they will receive a flip ticket?

after all is still a poker game with a bit of grind and not a roulette . fighting for a better place gives you motivation to play. at least for me this promotion motivates me to play more than normal even if i am not in top 10 places .

i dont why we should transform everything into a roullette flip tournament


Are you reading something different than what I wrote?

You still grind for a better prize there is a differnt flip for each stage. 

Only difference it makes is it not 100% about grinding, as in my example you get nearly the same prize at the majority of the stages as you would with a traditional leaderboard.

I have seen a lot of people complain than the same people always win the leaderboard and even they have gone so far to ask if they have multiple people using the account, so I have made a suggestion for a slight alternative.

 

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Also people are more likely to try and reach the next stage if they are guaranteed 50e but could win 200e in a flip. Where as now I will give up as it can take a lot of play for me to get from the top 100 to the top 50 for 5e more, but if I had even a slim chance that could a 100e more instead I would put more effort in.

 

or let me put it another way.

1-5  250 each. bonus flip freeroll for 250 for winner

6-10 50 each. bonus flip freeroll for 100 for winner

11-20 30 each. bonus flip freeroll for 70for winner

21-30 20 each. bonus flip freeroll for 55 for winner

31-50 10 each. bonus flip freeroll for 40 for winner

.51-100 5 each. bonus flip freeroll for 40 for winner

 

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you dont get it  at all !

why someone who finish in first place should ever want to play in a flip tournament 1-5 or x-x when he was won first place playing with a strategy accumulating points and grinding for that place?

i really dont get it why you have to transform every ideea in a flip? 

in cash game leaderboard wins people who grind more , same in sng leaderboard but with a different strategie

i am agree with no multiplier and a system with more points but i cant be agree with top x flip tournaments.

 

 

 

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@polarbear wrote:

you dont get it  at all !

why someone who finish in first place should ever want to play in a flip tournament 1-5 or x-x when he was won first place playing with a strategy accumulating points and grinding for that place?

i really dont get it why you have to transform every ideea in a flip? 

in cash game leaderboard wins people who grind more , same in sng leaderboard but with a different strategie

i am agree with no multiplier and a system with more points but i cant be agree with top x flip tournaments.

 

 

 

or let me put it another way.

1-5  250 each. bonus flip freeroll for 250 for winner

6-10 50 each. bonus flip freeroll for 100 for winner

11-20 30 each. bonus flip freeroll for 70for winner

21-30 20 each. bonus flip freeroll for 55 for winner

31-50 10 each. bonus flip freeroll for 40 for winner


 

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I personally don't like the whole trend of incorporating flips in everything poker related either. 

I guess for the lower positions there wouldn't be much difference between the 2 systems so it might not be that bad. And you might be right that the chance to get a big prize might be motivating for the low ranks. It's an interesting idea .

But I really don't like the top 5 structure. I personally feel so much more motivated and rewarded when I fight for the big prize for the top place the entire week/month while others are also fighting for it. Even if it's fighting to get from 5th to 4th position it just feels so much more rewarding to get it (even if it's less money than in your model) compared to oh I just need to get top 5 and AFK and hope I get lucky :smileyfrustrated: . Also much more infuriating to get passed by someone in the last day/hour and get relegated from a 250€ prize to a 50€ prize.

I guess you could just keep the normal structure for top 5 and take out a percentage of the prizes to put in a flip but then the top prizes look less motivating. And if the flip cut is too big of a percentage then you have the same problem you mentioned for the lower ranks, why would you waste time to get to a higherposition when the pay difference is so small compared to the flip prize. Add to that the fact that the top positions won't have a bigger flip to grind towards as the lower ranks do. 

Maybe your structure but with vanilla top 5 prizes could work, I guess, IDK. 

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@FeelsBadMan wrote:

I personally don't like the whole trend of incorporating flips in everything poker related either. 

I guess for the lower positions there wouldn't be much difference between the 2 systems so it might not be that bad. And you might be right that the chance to get a big prize might be motivating for the low ranks. It's an interesting idea .

But I really don't like the top 5 structure. I personally feel so much more motivated and rewarded when I fight for the big prize for the top place the entire week/month while others are also fighting for it. Even if it's fighting to get from 5th to 4th position it just feels so much more rewarding to get it (even if it's less money than in your model) compared to oh I just need to get top 5 and AFK and hope I get lucky :smileyfrustrated: . Also much more infuriating to get passed by someone in the last day/hour and get relegated from a 250€ prize to a 50€ prize.

I guess you could just keep the normal structure for top 5 and take out a percentage of the prizes to put in a flip but then the top prizes look less motivating. And if the flip cut is too big of a percentage then you have the same problem you mentioned for the lower ranks, why would you waste time to get to a higherposition when the pay difference is so small compared to the flip prize. Add to that the fact that the top positions won't have a bigger flip to grind towards as the lower ranks do. 

Maybe your structure but with vanilla top 5 prizes could work, I guess, IDK. 


I like the hybrid idea, was just  trying to think if there was a way to get a biggish prize even if you were not ranked that high on the leaderboard.

Basically I was thinking a mix of grinding and luck. I suppose there is part of that with getting big points with a straight flush but even with that the big grinders are more likely to get it.

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I don't see anything wrong with it.The top finishers still get a guaranteed payout, plus they get a bonus flip for additional money. Flips are part of the game, escpecially in tournament poker. If there was no luck, the top players would always get the money and that would kill the game super fast. In this economy, hardcore grinders alone cannot keep the poker rooms solvent enough to keep the games going. A less skilled player that might get lucky to cash in a flip tourney will very likely recycle that money back into the ecosystem.

More players, more tables open for longer periods of time will help build and keep the poker site going. I have been playing live fulltime poker since 1996 and have found poker rooms around my area and Las Vegas less busy. It is harder to find good games these days. New and recreational players are getting burned out faster. They feel intimidated, not wanted by more experienced players who do not make them feel welcomed.

Flip tournaments may give a less experienced player a chance to win more money, or a tournament entry. This opens up a bigger stream for more players to a better experience that may not have previously. What casinos have realized many years ago is new customers that get lucky are better advertisements than any commercials. If you a regular on a particular site that depends on making money playing, you would definately want new and recreational players getting more bonuses and getting lucky in general. This helps everyone on the site. Those days of getting on a site and crushing everyone and raking in piles of cash are long gone.

If you are a pro or depend heavily on online poker for your income, you should realize that making new and recreational players feel welcomed and more comfortable to play with you is more profitable in the long run.

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if you are gelous cause you are not able to grind is not anybody problem

any promotion is based on income and YOU cant  even atend to first prize if you are not able to generate as much rake as it is first prize. is simple as that.

play 1000 sng at 10 euro and you will have 90 % chance to have first place and 99 to be in top 5.

if you are not able to rake , how can you even think that you might want something bigger than you rake? this promotion , at least at sng is 100 % rackeback even more !!!!!!i think is enough for everybody who wants free money without playing much , but dont pretend you want more and you play 2 tables at same time 2 hours / day

seriously

if you dont event play sng please make suggestion on cash game section , is first time since november last year when something good happens at sng , and now people come with ideea of flip sng , but they play 100/weeck and generates 20 euro and they want 1000. comon guys

every promotion is based on income 

 

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I think it's a good suggestion, and maybe works best as NMPfan suggested - keeping top 5 payouts (or any individual payouts) the same and only incorporating a lottery element for payouts where players are already grouped together as it could add more of an incentive to reach the next group. Will incubate on it for a while, and I'm sure we'll discuss more here.

Also please don't panic anyone, if we were to use something like this then we would test it in a relatively small promotion first.

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@polarbear wrote:

if you are gelous cause you are not able to grind is not anybody problem

any promotion is based on income and YOU cant  even atend to first prize if you are not able to generate as much rake as it is first prize. is simple as that.

play 1000 sng at 10 euro and you will have 90 % chance to have first place and 99 to be in top 5.

if you are not able to rake , how can you even think that you might want something bigger than you rake? this promotion , at least at sng is 100 % rackeback even more !!!!!!i think is enough for everybody who wants free money without playing much , but dont pretend you want more and you play 2 tables at same time 2 hours / day

seriously

if you dont event play sng please make suggestion on cash game section , is first time since november last year when something good happens at sng , and now people come with ideea of flip sng , but they play 100/weeck and generates 20 euro and they want 1000. comon guys

every promotion is based on income 

 


What have I to be JEALOUS off, I have won thousands from unibet promtions including a UO package from the 100k freeroll. 

You always seem to ignore the points,I am able to grind, I probablly play way more poker than I should do.

Its not true that every promotion is totally based on rake. You could play one hand for the milestone promo and win thousands.

 

Are you serious who doesnt want to do nothing and get loads of money, If people didnt they wouldnt sell millions of lottery tickets every week or people wouldnt play jackpot slots.

 

I play all the games sng/cash/mtts and my suggestion wasnt about me, I really dont mind how they do things but if I have an idea that I think could maybe work then I will express that idea, I am very sorry if that idea doesnt make you happy but I have left home now and I dont need to ask my parents for permission to do anything anymore, so I wont be asking your permission every time I have an idea before publishing it.

At the end of the day its just an idea and thats what a community is about sharing our ideas and thoughts, If its the worse idea or the best idea in the world we still all have the right to share them.

 

 

 

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Flips, lol.

Flips, Milestone hands, High hand promos don't motivate me at all to put in extra effort. If I were interested in lotteries, I wouldn't play poker.

We're gonna win on so many levels! We're gonna win, win, win. You're gonna get so tired of winning, you're gonna say: "Mr. President please, we don't wanna win anymore, it's too much!" And I'm gonna say: "I'm sorry, we're gonna keep winning because we're gonna make America great again!"
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@WuDu wrote:

Flips, lol.

Flips, Milestone hands, High hand promos don't motivate me at all to put in extra effort. If I were interested in lotteries, I wouldn't play poker.


So what would motivate you to play?

What do you think would make other people play?

 

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I play here because I like to play poker and in my mind the experience (promos, no Huds, CS at the forums, yada yada yada) at Unibet is superior to Pokerstars, 888 and whatever else is out there.

When it comes to putting in a few SNGs extra or playing 1/2 an hour longer, I'd say there have to be realistic rewards one can achieve by grinding a little longer. It doesn't matter whether the first place in the leaderboard pays out 500 or 500.000 Euro, I know there will always be guys playing 10 hours a day on 8 tables of SNG25 each, trying their best to lose with AA at showdown or ignoring common sense Poker just to luck into a straight flush.

I think it would be great if there were more ways to earn points during the SNG race. I mean, I'm not complaining about getting 10Euro a week for finishing in the top50 of the leaderboard, however is it really necessary that this promo also turns into a "straight flush promo" like the high hand promo? 

We're gonna win on so many levels! We're gonna win, win, win. You're gonna get so tired of winning, you're gonna say: "Mr. President please, we don't wanna win anymore, it's too much!" And I'm gonna say: "I'm sorry, we're gonna keep winning because we're gonna make America great again!"
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To make it clear I wasnt actually refering to SNGs  when I made this post, I was referring to leaderboard type games and used an existing leaderboard as an example, which just happened to be a SNG one.

I also dont think the whole prize should be a flip but lets say there was a normal leaderboard with 3k of prizes and then after it was finished Unibet gave you a flip freeroll to play for free for an additional prize, that would give grinders the big prize they want for their effort and everybody else including grinders/recs/post man etc a chance at an additional prize.

 

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Except for the fact that the cost for Unibet of running a leaderboard like you suggested would rise from 3 K to 3K plus X. Like in politics, it's easy to campaign for more "free stuff", however at the end somebody always has to pay the price.

For future SNG races, why not dust off some of the most interesting "achievements" and award the players points for those achievements instead of just being dealt 72/AA, lose with AA at showdown and get a straight flush?

We're gonna win on so many levels! We're gonna win, win, win. You're gonna get so tired of winning, you're gonna say: "Mr. President please, we don't wanna win anymore, it's too much!" And I'm gonna say: "I'm sorry, we're gonna keep winning because we're gonna make America great again!"
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