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NMPfan Rank 15
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While slowrolling is definately a practice that makes the games less enjoyable (for some people, I don't really care), you can't really compare live poker with online. A couple of people already mentioned the same thing, live you have your full attention on that 1 table. Online most people don't have 1 big table on their screen that they stare at constantly, it's not like playing League of Legends or Counter Strike. People usually do other stuff as well when they play online poker, they watch TV/twitch, they read the newspaper/books/articles online, they talk to people around them or on the phone, they have kids bugging them, they might have something on the stove, have to answer the door and so many more examples where you will use all your time in an obvious spot because you aren't at your computer or didn't notice it's your turn to act, or you're so focused on something else that you don't even know what's happening on your table other than your time running out. 

You might say, but they have a really good hand, they will surely pay attention in that case ... Well depends on the person, maybe they don't really care, maybe they care more about their kids or the coffee that is spilling everywhere then some hand in a lowstakes game. Maybe they're so distracted that in some of these "slowroll" situations they actually end up autofolding the nuts. It happened to me and I know it happened to a bunch of the twitch people because, well, twitch is really distracting Smile

Not defending slowrolling in any way, just saying that maybe you should try to not get so upset by slowrolling because in many cases it is not with the intent to annoy you, but merely a consequence of online poker being a simple recreational activity that you don't have to pay alot of attention to and you can do other stuff while you play, similar to Hearthstone actually which also suffers from a lot of timebanking (ropeing) on very obvious decisions at random times. 

Besides, on Unibet the max you can slowroll is about 20 seconds, so huuuuge 3 minute slowrolls aren't even possible here Smile 

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BookTheWin Rank 13
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Lots of time you can't tell if it's a slowroll but you still can with the Timebank, sometimes I have 30 seconds of time bank in addition to the normal time so like 45 seconds totalish.  Which seems like an eternity when playing online poker.  That being said in most cases slowrolls aren't as bad as they could be on Unibet.

However when I first made this post, let me be clear I wasn't the person who was slowrolled or slowrolling obviously, but I seen 2 questionable slowrolls before the big one.  At that table that player arguably slowrolled 3 times and let me be fair I felt bad for the other person who was slowrolled without a doubt the 3rd time.  Which kept it in my head lets try defeat this person and stayed in my head hours after the tourney.  Which triggered this post.

Now slowrolling most often occurs as a revenge play in cash games, very rarely tournaments.  Because if your sitting with some player for hours and you took a buy in or 2 off someone by getting lucky or whatever, the other player if he's not really a good person could be looking to get back at you.  One of the methods used is slowrolling the player when they trap them or whatever the scenario may be when the player has clearly the best hand on the river and using the time bank before calling an all in.

The main objective of this post was to make sure people that maybe don't know how wrong slowrolling really is, to let them know it's just something not to do under any circumstance intentionally.  Not everyone knows that, and I've seen a little too much slowrolling in the past weeks.  Not everyday but enough that it has brought my attention on multiple occasions.  I asked David he thought it was up as well, it could be for multiple reasons.  

You shouldn't get mad when you get slowrolled but their is absolutely nothing wrong with you being upset when you get slowrolled in a big pot or at a critical time.  Intentional slowrolling is designed to agitate and piss you off and if you do, your not alone.  

But if you think it's not that bad or you need the nuts to be considered that's not true.  If you have a hand that your not folding, then just call and their is a line between tough decision and slowroll.  Sometimes the line is seen differently by two different people which happens.  As long as it's a genuine decision then their is no problem with you taking your time and thinking about it.  The more you play and the better you get, the clearer the line becomes.  

But the reason I am saying this is I don't want any of you to get hurt, you think it's not that bad on Unibet.  It's still bad and just make sure it's never intentional.  But if you have a casual attitude towards slowrolling instead of clear cut it's wrong.  When you play live you could get your ass kicked and as bad as that sounds, they aren't going to be perceived in the wrong.  Just watch the Irish Open when the guy flops the nuts and slowrolls, he was bombarded on every forum it went viral.  That guy had people wanting to fight him.  That guy for years anyone remembering that video will chirp him at the poker table for the rest of his playing career.  

I remember Daniel Negreanu on High Stakes Poker was asked to a little segment on slowrolling he mentioned the classic saying you have 2 pair. and then flipping over quads 10's and 10's haha.  But he did mention if you slowroll live then you better be prepared to put your dukes up.  

Slowrolling is just a clear cut thing and not everyone knows it, its just one of those unwritten rules that everyone follows.  Just here to help that's all.

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Magicadil Rank 25
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@BookTheWin Great post! I always enjoy reading your posts because you put lots of though into them, & they're very well written. I agree that slowrolling in a live setting can be a safety risk. I rarely see well mannered individuals doing dirty angles, it's usually always the ones that lack ethics elsewhere as well. If someone is playing unethical then the table should speak up, including the dealer. Band together, but in a peaceful manner. Never threaten violence (Because then you sink to their level). Poker is a game that should be enjoyable, but there will always be a couple bad apples. If the people who are there to enjoy themselves stick together and speak up, then we can make games uncomfortable for the bad apples. They will either change tables, or not come back again.

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WWhite Rank 19
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I do not like slowrolling !!! The big hand pre-flop, on the turn can become a worse hand than 7 2 ... Never slowrolling !!

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Valkyrie Rank 19
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I'm not sure I got the slowrolling thing correct, but I think someone did this to me today. He/she kept waiting until the clock was almost completely zeroed out before calling or raising and whenever he did it he had a great hand that beat my good one. It just didn't feel like he was busy doing anything else but did it on purpose. :smileyfrustrated:

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BookTheWin Rank 13
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@Valkyrie Slowrolling is when your all in and they have only 2 options calling or folding.  If it's preflop and they have AA, KK, AK and use all their time bank and then call it's slowrolling.  On the flop turn or river.  If they have a clear call like have QQ on a Qj5 flop and you go all in with K10 or something and they take all their time with the best hand or an easy call that's slowrolling.

Interestingly when someone is almost completely zeroed out as you call it before calling or raising is actually just a tell on your opponent more than anything.  If it was calling then it could be a slowroll if it meets the criteria above, if it was raising then that's just a tell you had and you knew when your opponent was strong and when he weak so well done on picking up that tell. :smileyhappy: 

You should be happy if you pick up patterns because, patterns are exploitable and can be very profitable at times.

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Valkyrie Rank 19
Rank 19

Thanks for the explanation @BookTheWin. Luckily I never went all in, but I got the distinct feeling that he was trying to entice me into doing just that by making me think he wasn't really paying attention. Maybe he wasn't slowrolling, but he definitely had some kind of "strategy" going on. He always started his little "waiting game" pre -flop whenever he had a strong hand, so after a while it became quite obvious what he was up to and he only got to me the first few times, but it was still annoying. :smileytongue:

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polarbear Rank 17
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Valkyrie wrote:

I'm not sure I got the slowrolling thing correct, but I think someone did this to me today. He/she kept waiting until the clock was almost completely zeroed out before calling or raising and whenever he did it he had a great hand that beat my good one. It just didn't feel like he was busy doing anything else but did it on purpose. :smileyfrustrated:


many people are doing this as  a slowplay : theathre action ! a bit of thinking , a bit of unsure etc.

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Valkyrie Rank 19
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polarbear wrote:

Valkyrie wrote:

I'm not sure I got the slowrolling thing correct, but I think someone did this to me today. He/she kept waiting until the clock was almost completely zeroed out before calling or raising and whenever he did it he had a great hand that beat my good one. It just didn't feel like he was busy doing anything else but did it on purpose. :smileyfrustrated:


many people are doing this as  a slowplay : theathre action ! a bit of thinking , a bit of unsure etc.


Exactly, it felt like he was acting his little butt off just to provoke me into doing something stupid - like going all in, thinking he would fold - only so he could then call me with a better hand. But I figured him out, so no Oscar for him. :smileywink:

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