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BookTheWin Rank 13
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Slowrolling if you aren't familiar is tanking with the best hand before making your decision when the action is only left on you.

Example: I shove All in the small blind with KQ you tank call with AA in the Big Blind.  You are slowrolling.  Just instantly call everytime.

Another example happened in the community tournament.  Flop 446 A guy with half his chips left shoves all in for 4500 into a pot of 9000.  The opponent tanks entire time bank like has a tricky decision with KJ high etc.  Instead calls with ****** A4!  for a set top kicker getting 3 to 1 to an allin while playing 3 handed poker.

Sometimes its vary obvious like having a royal flush and tanking on the river, while being a piece of crap.

Other times it isn't as obvious but still a slowroll same tournament.  Folds to sb with 8 big blinds left they jam into the chip leader who has a pair of 6's, this is pretty standard and easy call for chip leader.  But instead uses the entire time bank and calls.   Was up against A4 off and holds with the 6's.  Not as obvious, but to me that's a slowroll.

You should never slowroll, I know their is unintentional slowrolls when your playing multiple tables and it happens.  But if you are doing it at any reason INTENTIONALLY then just stop, you can't get hurt hear but at card rooms, you can get into fights for doing it for real.

Times where its not a slowroll.  When you have AA and someone goes all in under the gun and you have AA in middle position, and tank call that is not a slowroll because their are other players still to act that could committ chips and you looking like you have a tough decision could entice other hands to play against your Aces.

Heads up pots and when your in the big blind, and it shoves to you and you have Aces don't high five your buddies and tell them to come over.  Just click call like a respectable person and hope you hold.

I've seen a lot of slowrolling in the past month and I'm sure most of you don't, but I've seen too much lately and it's just never intentionally okay.

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Magicadil Rank 25
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Sometimes when people tank with hands that to us seem like snap calls, they might legitimately be thinking about it. Remember we dont know their skill level & they might be worried about a stronger hand. A lot of recreational players are unaware of odds, thus its more of a nitroll. On that 446 flop, with A4 should be snap, but he might be concerned about 66, 46. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and dont stress too much over it because as quickly as it happened, the next hand is already here.
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BookTheWin Rank 13
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Ya but in that particular situation the player who was doing that wasn't a new player and its 3 handed and their chip leader and its for a 10th of their stack.  Some spots its a nit roll but if your a chip leader 3 handed its impossible to not be a slowroll, they can't accumulate all the chips that they had without getting dealt Aces every hand.  It's for 10% of their chip stack.  I know the person who was doing it was slowrolling or asleep at the wheel.

 

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Play_Analyst Rank 10
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As has been pointed out they may have been worried about 66 or 64. The fact that they are chip leader means they consider their options before just jamming it all in the middle. The other thing is (and I'm assuming this is a MTT) the player in question may have been purposely running the clock to ensure more players were eliminated before he played his hand.

I know it's not good form but I will use the tactic of running the clock if close to the money bubble to increase my odds of cashing. It may also be a good play if a person on the table you are playing is about to go through the blinds. Suppose they have 600 chips left and the blinds are 150 / 300. If you didn't run the clock they could go through the blinds with 150 chips left and make another orbit. This may result in you missing out on the cash seats.

Now imagine if you run your clock down. Those extra 30 seconds could mean that the same player now faces blinds of 200 / 400. All things being equal the player now faces ellimination as he will be forced to either shove all in on their big blind or get blinded out when they go through the small blind.

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ChapInAChair Rank 15
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I don't think anybody can be criticised for slowrolling unless they have the stone cold nuts. Even then it sometimes takes a while to call online if you're multitabling and there are tables popping up all over the place.

On the other hand I once threatened somebody I know with violence for slowrolling AA preflop. It's way out of line.

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Magicadil Rank 25
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@StartlingGrope threatening violence is a lot more extreme than slow rolling with Aces. Might just be that I like to stay positive all the time but I've been slow rolled a couple times playing live & I just laughed it off. Its just a card game after all. Dont take it personal.
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BookTheWin Rank 13
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Interesting to see how many people are defending slowrolling, I guess you guys don't play in home games and live casinos or on places that have chat besides Unibet.  Because you would berated every single time you do it.  Back to the A4 hand, If your an experienced player like the player was with 50,000 chips 3 handed at 800/1600 blinds raise preflop with A4 flop get called by the big blind.  Flop comes 446 and the pot is 9000 chips and the player puts his last 2.5 bb's in after you raised and you have A4 and you don't just call the last 4500 chips.   You tank and use all of your time bank while the other player with regardless their hand thinks maybe has k or a high at worst.  Then they show up with a set and top kicker.  You feel very angry towards that player and for good reason.  The person who called with A4 was not worried about 46 or 66 that's ridiculous, beyond ridiculous the same person has played 100's of tournaments before.  

If you defend slowrolling stay on Unibet for sure, because you will get absolutely hammered on if your tanking with hands that strong anywhere else live or online.  

I wil never slowroll a person intentionally and if you tank with 99 on 942 4 2 board it's slowrolling, same scenario its not the nuts 2 hands can beat you but 99% of the time they don't have 44 or 22 just like the person didn't have 46 or 66.  

You can nitpick and say if its not the nuts then its not slowrolling, well your wrong.  Answer this question are you folding?  Have you ever folded in that spot, Would you ever fold in that spot.  Your playin a 2 euro tourney with A4 are you folding for 4500 more chips as a chip leader with 50,000 on 446.  If your not folding then don't defend it.  Their's tough decisions maybe you have 77 there maybe you need a couple seconds its still an overpair.  A4 come on.

Some people aren't doing it intentionally but some are and since you can't chat and distinguish which is which by asking why the slowroll after the hand, then it shouldn't be done at all and only those garbage people who are doing it intentionally are left.

People defending slowrolling are defending the average player who has AQ clubs on 10c8c 4c 7s 9c board where a player tank calls against them with 76 clubs for a straight flush, its not the nuts and the other person is devastated maybe its their last cash, maybe its their first deposit.  They are sitting their hoping they get called and paid and then 30 seconds later they get someone tanking with a straight flush  whose never folding to call and take their money.  It's wrong, you do it live you can get hurt.  Doing it online anonymously is hurting people as well.

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Magicadil Rank 25
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I've never slowrolled in my life and never will. Ive been slowrolled many times LIVE as I tend to play at my local casino a few times/week. I am in no way condoning slowrolling, Im just saying its nothing to get sensitive over. If someone slow rolls you, thats a personality flaw they have as no one should be doing that. Kindly explain to the person why its wrong & if they continue then either switch tables or laugh it off. No need to berate the player either. Fight negativity with positivity, dont provide fuel to the fire.
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cris1285 Rank 18
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Play_Analyst wrote:

As has been pointed out they may have been worried about 66 or 64. The fact that they are chip leader means they consider their options before just jamming it all in the middle. The other thing is (and I'm assuming this is a MTT) the player in question may have been purposely running the clock to ensure more players were eliminated before he played his hand.

I know it's not good form but I will use the tactic of running the clock if close to the money bubble to increase my odds of cashing. It may also be a good play if a person on the table you are playing is about to go through the blinds. Suppose they have 600 chips left and the blinds are 150 / 300. If you didn't run the clock they could go through the blinds with 150 chips left and make another orbit. This may result in you missing out on the cash seats.

Now imagine if you run your clock down. Those extra 30 seconds could mean that the same player now faces blinds of 200 / 400. All things being equal the player now faces ellimination as he will be forced to either shove all in on their big blind or get blinded out when they go through the small blind.


These are the points.

I use to run the clock also just to make sure somebody has bigger blinds. :smileyhappy:

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JillianP Rank 14
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cris1285 wrote:
These are the points.

I use to run the clock also just to make sure somebody has bigger blinds. :smileyhappy:


Now this is what gets me mad, although I know it's just part of the game :womanfrustrated:
But whether someone instacalls or takes 90 seconds to think doesn't affect the end result, so that one doesn't really bother me.

Just call me Mrs Kings :-)
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