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Slowrolling if you aren't familiar is tanking with the best hand before making your decision when the action is only left on you.

Example: I shove All in the small blind with KQ you tank call with AA in the Big Blind.  You are slowrolling.  Just instantly call everytime.

Another example happened in the community tournament.  Flop 446 A guy with half his chips left shoves all in for 4500 into a pot of 9000.  The opponent tanks entire time bank like has a tricky decision with KJ high etc.  Instead calls with ****** A4!  for a set top kicker getting 3 to 1 to an allin while playing 3 handed poker.

Sometimes its vary obvious like having a royal flush and tanking on the river, while being a piece of crap.

Other times it isn't as obvious but still a slowroll same tournament.  Folds to sb with 8 big blinds left they jam into the chip leader who has a pair of 6's, this is pretty standard and easy call for chip leader.  But instead uses the entire time bank and calls.   Was up against A4 off and holds with the 6's.  Not as obvious, but to me that's a slowroll.

You should never slowroll, I know their is unintentional slowrolls when your playing multiple tables and it happens.  But if you are doing it at any reason INTENTIONALLY then just stop, you can't get hurt hear but at card rooms, you can get into fights for doing it for real.

Times where its not a slowroll.  When you have AA and someone goes all in under the gun and you have AA in middle position, and tank call that is not a slowroll because their are other players still to act that could committ chips and you looking like you have a tough decision could entice other hands to play against your Aces.

Heads up pots and when your in the big blind, and it shoves to you and you have Aces don't high five your buddies and tell them to come over.  Just click call like a respectable person and hope you hold.

I've seen a lot of slowrolling in the past month and I'm sure most of you don't, but I've seen too much lately and it's just never intentionally okay.

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Sometimes when people tank with hands that to us seem like snap calls, they might legitimately be thinking about it. Remember we dont know their skill level & they might be worried about a stronger hand. A lot of recreational players are unaware of odds, thus its more of a nitroll. On that 446 flop, with A4 should be snap, but he might be concerned about 66, 46. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and dont stress too much over it because as quickly as it happened, the next hand is already here.
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Ya but in that particular situation the player who was doing that wasn't a new player and its 3 handed and their chip leader and its for a 10th of their stack.  Some spots its a nit roll but if your a chip leader 3 handed its impossible to not be a slowroll, they can't accumulate all the chips that they had without getting dealt Aces every hand.  It's for 10% of their chip stack.  I know the person who was doing it was slowrolling or asleep at the wheel.

 

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As has been pointed out they may have been worried about 66 or 64. The fact that they are chip leader means they consider their options before just jamming it all in the middle. The other thing is (and I'm assuming this is a MTT) the player in question may have been purposely running the clock to ensure more players were eliminated before he played his hand.

I know it's not good form but I will use the tactic of running the clock if close to the money bubble to increase my odds of cashing. It may also be a good play if a person on the table you are playing is about to go through the blinds. Suppose they have 600 chips left and the blinds are 150 / 300. If you didn't run the clock they could go through the blinds with 150 chips left and make another orbit. This may result in you missing out on the cash seats.

Now imagine if you run your clock down. Those extra 30 seconds could mean that the same player now faces blinds of 200 / 400. All things being equal the player now faces ellimination as he will be forced to either shove all in on their big blind or get blinded out when they go through the small blind.

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I don't think anybody can be criticised for slowrolling unless they have the stone cold nuts. Even then it sometimes takes a while to call online if you're multitabling and there are tables popping up all over the place.

On the other hand I once threatened somebody I know with violence for slowrolling AA preflop. It's way out of line.

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@ChapInAChair threatening violence is a lot more extreme than slow rolling with Aces. Might just be that I like to stay positive all the time but I've been slow rolled a couple times playing live & I just laughed it off. Its just a card game after all. Dont take it personal.
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Interesting to see how many people are defending slowrolling, I guess you guys don't play in home games and live casinos or on places that have chat besides Unibet.  Because you would berated every single time you do it.  Back to the A4 hand, If your an experienced player like the player was with 50,000 chips 3 handed at 800/1600 blinds raise preflop with A4 flop get called by the big blind.  Flop comes 446 and the pot is 9000 chips and the player puts his last 2.5 bb's in after you raised and you have A4 and you don't just call the last 4500 chips.   You tank and use all of your time bank while the other player with regardless their hand thinks maybe has k or a high at worst.  Then they show up with a set and top kicker.  You feel very angry towards that player and for good reason.  The person who called with A4 was not worried about 46 or 66 that's ridiculous, beyond ridiculous the same person has played 100's of tournaments before.  

If you defend slowrolling stay on Unibet for sure, because you will get absolutely hammered on if your tanking with hands that strong anywhere else live or online.  

I wil never slowroll a person intentionally and if you tank with 99 on 942 4 2 board it's slowrolling, same scenario its not the nuts 2 hands can beat you but 99% of the time they don't have 44 or 22 just like the person didn't have 46 or 66.  

You can nitpick and say if its not the nuts then its not slowrolling, well your wrong.  Answer this question are you folding?  Have you ever folded in that spot, Would you ever fold in that spot.  Your playin a 2 euro tourney with A4 are you folding for 4500 more chips as a chip leader with 50,000 on 446.  If your not folding then don't defend it.  Their's tough decisions maybe you have 77 there maybe you need a couple seconds its still an overpair.  A4 come on.

Some people aren't doing it intentionally but some are and since you can't chat and distinguish which is which by asking why the slowroll after the hand, then it shouldn't be done at all and only those garbage people who are doing it intentionally are left.

People defending slowrolling are defending the average player who has AQ clubs on 10c8c 4c 7s 9c board where a player tank calls against them with 76 clubs for a straight flush, its not the nuts and the other person is devastated maybe its their last cash, maybe its their first deposit.  They are sitting their hoping they get called and paid and then 30 seconds later they get someone tanking with a straight flush  whose never folding to call and take their money.  It's wrong, you do it live you can get hurt.  Doing it online anonymously is hurting people as well.

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I've never slowrolled in my life and never will. Ive been slowrolled many times LIVE as I tend to play at my local casino a few times/week. I am in no way condoning slowrolling, Im just saying its nothing to get sensitive over. If someone slow rolls you, thats a personality flaw they have as no one should be doing that. Kindly explain to the person why its wrong & if they continue then either switch tables or laugh it off. No need to berate the player either. Fight negativity with positivity, dont provide fuel to the fire.
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@Play_Analyst wrote:

As has been pointed out they may have been worried about 66 or 64. The fact that they are chip leader means they consider their options before just jamming it all in the middle. The other thing is (and I'm assuming this is a MTT) the player in question may have been purposely running the clock to ensure more players were eliminated before he played his hand.

I know it's not good form but I will use the tactic of running the clock if close to the money bubble to increase my odds of cashing. It may also be a good play if a person on the table you are playing is about to go through the blinds. Suppose they have 600 chips left and the blinds are 150 / 300. If you didn't run the clock they could go through the blinds with 150 chips left and make another orbit. This may result in you missing out on the cash seats.

Now imagine if you run your clock down. Those extra 30 seconds could mean that the same player now faces blinds of 200 / 400. All things being equal the player now faces ellimination as he will be forced to either shove all in on their big blind or get blinded out when they go through the small blind.


These are the points.

I use to run the clock also just to make sure somebody has bigger blinds. :smileyhappy:

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@cris1285 wrote:
These are the points.

I use to run the clock also just to make sure somebody has bigger blinds. :smileyhappy:


Now this is what gets me mad, although I know it's just part of the game :womanfrustrated:

But whether someone instacalls or takes 90 seconds to think doesn't affect the end result, so that one doesn't really bother me.

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i really dont understand why i should be mad on someone slowrolling me if i really dont know his poker level. on that board A4 is not even the nuts there .I dont want to offense someone but playing with the guy who won the tournament i put all my both hands , legs and my head in fire that he is a recreational guy who probably enjoyed his time playing that tournament or this league...whatever.

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@JillianP wrote:


@cris1285 wrote:
These are the points.

I use to run the clock also just to make sure somebody has bigger blinds. :smileyhappy:


Now this is what gets me mad, although I know it's just part of the game :womanfrustrated:

But whether someone instacalls or takes 90 seconds to think doesn't affect the end result, so that one doesn't really bother me.


Its just a tool, fair or not, but is allowed, and there can be advantage with it. 

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indeed guys , is no way how to get mad about that .i really dont understand why people get angry after a slowroll sitting on their chair eating some burgers and drinking some beers .is not a live tournament and not even a multimilionare tournament to froze your heart and die

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Personally I hate slowrolling, I think it's incredibly douchey.

Having said that, when playing online at microstakes it's possible to interpret something innocent as slowrolling. The level of play is such that someone might genuinely have to take time on something that most people would snap-call. Also you have no idea what else they might be doing at the same time (watching a movie, getting a beer, chasing a mosquito, dealing with the kids etc.) so they just might be distracted.

Perhaps I'm being too generous or even naive with this kind of thinking, but it helps me keep from steaming while playing so it's good for both my bankroll and general well-being, so why not.

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I only slowroll if it will benefit me , close to the bubble etc.  I don't need to wait 20 seconds to make a decision . But I can understand that if you multitable you need more time . 


I think you're confusing slowrolling with slowplaying. Because slowplaying when you don't have the nuts is completely understandable near the bubble. But slowrolling is something like you have Quad Aces, opponent all in on river, you run down clock before calling. Major ethics violation.

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While slowrolling is definately a practice that makes the games less enjoyable (for some people, I don't really care), you can't really compare live poker with online. A couple of people already mentioned the same thing, live you have your full attention on that 1 table. Online most people don't have 1 big table on their screen that they stare at constantly, it's not like playing League of Legends or Counter Strike. People usually do other stuff as well when they play online poker, they watch TV/twitch, they read the newspaper/books/articles online, they talk to people around them or on the phone, they have kids bugging them, they might have something on the stove, have to answer the door and so many more examples where you will use all your time in an obvious spot because you aren't at your computer or didn't notice it's your turn to act, or you're so focused on something else that you don't even know what's happening on your table other than your time running out. 

You might say, but they have a really good hand, they will surely pay attention in that case ... Well depends on the person, maybe they don't really care, maybe they care more about their kids or the coffee that is spilling everywhere then some hand in a lowstakes game. Maybe they're so distracted that in some of these "slowroll" situations they actually end up autofolding the nuts. It happened to me and I know it happened to a bunch of the twitch people because, well, twitch is really distracting :)

Not defending slowrolling in any way, just saying that maybe you should try to not get so upset by slowrolling because in many cases it is not with the intent to annoy you, but merely a consequence of online poker being a simple recreational activity that you don't have to pay alot of attention to and you can do other stuff while you play, similar to Hearthstone actually which also suffers from a lot of timebanking (ropeing) on very obvious decisions at random times. 

Besides, on Unibet the max you can slowroll is about 20 seconds, so huuuuge 3 minute slowrolls aren't even possible here :) 

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Lots of time you can't tell if it's a slowroll but you still can with the Timebank, sometimes I have 30 seconds of time bank in addition to the normal time so like 45 seconds totalish.  Which seems like an eternity when playing online poker.  That being said in most cases slowrolls aren't as bad as they could be on Unibet.

However when I first made this post, let me be clear I wasn't the person who was slowrolled or slowrolling obviously, but I seen 2 questionable slowrolls before the big one.  At that table that player arguably slowrolled 3 times and let me be fair I felt bad for the other person who was slowrolled without a doubt the 3rd time.  Which kept it in my head lets try defeat this person and stayed in my head hours after the tourney.  Which triggered this post.

Now slowrolling most often occurs as a revenge play in cash games, very rarely tournaments.  Because if your sitting with some player for hours and you took a buy in or 2 off someone by getting lucky or whatever, the other player if he's not really a good person could be looking to get back at you.  One of the methods used is slowrolling the player when they trap them or whatever the scenario may be when the player has clearly the best hand on the river and using the time bank before calling an all in.

The main objective of this post was to make sure people that maybe don't know how wrong slowrolling really is, to let them know it's just something not to do under any circumstance intentionally.  Not everyone knows that, and I've seen a little too much slowrolling in the past weeks.  Not everyday but enough that it has brought my attention on multiple occasions.  I asked David he thought it was up as well, it could be for multiple reasons.  

You shouldn't get mad when you get slowrolled but their is absolutely nothing wrong with you being upset when you get slowrolled in a big pot or at a critical time.  Intentional slowrolling is designed to agitate and piss you off and if you do, your not alone.  

But if you think it's not that bad or you need the nuts to be considered that's not true.  If you have a hand that your not folding, then just call and their is a line between tough decision and slowroll.  Sometimes the line is seen differently by two different people which happens.  As long as it's a genuine decision then their is no problem with you taking your time and thinking about it.  The more you play and the better you get, the clearer the line becomes.  

But the reason I am saying this is I don't want any of you to get hurt, you think it's not that bad on Unibet.  It's still bad and just make sure it's never intentional.  But if you have a casual attitude towards slowrolling instead of clear cut it's wrong.  When you play live you could get your ass kicked and as bad as that sounds, they aren't going to be perceived in the wrong.  Just watch the Irish Open when the guy flops the nuts and slowrolls, he was bombarded on every forum it went viral.  That guy had people wanting to fight him.  That guy for years anyone remembering that video will chirp him at the poker table for the rest of his playing career.  

I remember Daniel Negreanu on High Stakes Poker was asked to a little segment on slowrolling he mentioned the classic saying you have 2 pair. and then flipping over quads 10's and 10's haha.  But he did mention if you slowroll live then you better be prepared to put your dukes up.  

Slowrolling is just a clear cut thing and not everyone knows it, its just one of those unwritten rules that everyone follows.  Just here to help that's all.

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 Great post! I always enjoy reading your posts because you put lots of though into them, & they're very well written. I agree that slowrolling in a live setting can be a safety risk. I rarely see well mannered individuals doing dirty angles, it's usually always the ones that lack ethics elsewhere as well. If someone is playing unethical then the table should speak up, including the dealer. Band together, but in a peaceful manner. Never threaten violence (Because then you sink to their level). Poker is a game that should be enjoyable, but there will always be a couple bad apples. If the people who are there to enjoy themselves stick together and speak up, then we can make games uncomfortable for the bad apples. They will either change tables, or not come back again.

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I'm not sure I got the slowrolling thing correct, but I think someone did this to me today. He/she kept waiting until the clock was almost completely zeroed out before calling or raising and whenever he did it he had a great hand that beat my good one. It just didn't feel like he was busy doing anything else but did it on purpose. :smileyfrustrated:

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