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pirahn Rank 18
Rank 18

@Psycho79 Well said.

Ive put my views on here many times as well as directly to hierarchy (very recently) so ill spare everyone a rehash.

One point missing from discussion so far is communication. This needs to improve drastically. Creates brand loyalty.

Implementation: Trials and cosmetic changes send a poor signal and since communication is poor it takes too long before reaching substantive benefits. Since the objective is to increase traffic, a RELAUNCH of mtt schedule is required.  it would be better to have a relaunch straight after a uos series. All the marketing can be done together. 

There are a 100 different points id like to make but im too scared to write them as i know @NMPfan will write a book on each point.Tongue

 

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VikingsAF Rank 21
Rank 21

I agree with @pirahn on the communication part Smile

But that's a unibet wide issue (Casino and sports aswell) and we should rather make a new post about that than including it here Smile Giving too much to Unibet to fix at once, it will certainly go bad Smile (And that's not because we're talking about Unibet, everyone would fail if they would get tons of suggested changes) and we shouldn't blame @Leo-Unibet or anyone else from the poker team for this imo Smile

I also agree that changing small things isn't the way to go, because that won't attract the players. A relaunch is therefore the way to go as @pirahn mentioned. But before they do that there should aswell come a new topic for extra suggestions. (Things like naming should change and become more clear for example) A launch after a UOS is a great idea indeed.

Part on the naming in spoiler, because that's a bit off-topic here

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I think it's @MoreTBC who mentioned it most often, but it needs consistency. We should go back to X€ GTD Tubo Deepstack and Y€ GTD Progressive Bounty Ante instead of Shooting Stars and Deep Spaces which change their structure every MTT.
It's good to have a Shooting Star with a set structure every 2 hours (1 hour in prime time) per stake (So you can have a shooting star every hour. 1 and 2 on the odd hours and 5 and 10 on the even hours.). Every other hour you can have a bounty with a experimental structure, WHICH IS MENTIONED IN IT'S NAME
Why is this good?
- The fame is in the name: People will get to know what everything means exactly, at what time of the hour they start exactly etc etc.
- You can finally combine a turbo and re-entry without having to wonder whether you should take Fireball or Meteor Shower as name...
- It just gives way more freedom to Unibet to make a decent shedule.
I see now that the circumstances of ones birth are irrelevant... It is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are.
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Psycho79 Rank 14
Rank 14

@NMPfan I didn't take your post as attacking my ideas, I'm a reasonable person despite my alias Tongue and I always respect other's opinion, even if it is far away from mine. I also don't expect miracles, the important things never happen overnight, either this is technical or marketing matter.

   What I would just say again is let's give it a try, let's do one suggestion the simplest technically . Schedule a test 3tx gtd daily sat of each level, and let them coexist with current qualifiers for a while.  Let's observe how they're going to work and affect the current offer. What bad can actually happen?

   As to "the logical reason" for having less satties: I don't think they would block each other if Unibet quickly adapted to the real demand of games number. 

   SNG sat? I'm certain that you're far ahead of me on technical possibilities of the client, and what can or cannot be quickly implemented. Again it was a simple idea of using an existing pattern, 5man SNG with only payouts being changed. If you tell me it's hard to do, I believe you. Nevertheless, I still think it would be popular among the players. "Winner takes all" format removes the ICM factor, which would make the games even quicker and more fun for recreationals. And if we stick to the existing stakes and rakefree sats idea, 25€s would have 100€ ticket on top and 25€ refund for the runner up. @VikingsAF has actually noticed one important point in the whole idea:  "...less rake will make for bigger prize pools which is way more attractive. In the end it earns way more to Unibet to have the end tournament reach it's guarantee..." Let's just use a simple example of 10€ 3x100€ gtd Supernova daily sat. How often do you see +30 players there to make it break even for Unibet? I'll just mention that I play it almost everyday. There are also 2txgtd sats and 1tx that happen to run sometime. What part of the actual Supernova prizepool is covered with these? Nobody has to guess. But you might guess how many additional/real entries would any proposed sats generate. If it's possible to realize, I don't mind either 6 or 9 handed ones, or mtt sats, but one thing is important noticed by @VikingsAF again: "There need to be the feeling that you win enough times to keep playing a sattelite" Thumbs Up    50€ Major. @VikingsAF I like every single suggestion about the names and structures, but these are secondary issues. ALL you points make a lot of sense for me Thumbs Up @NMPfan I understand your considerations about gtd. It should be high enough to attract players to register, and low enough to make it possible to cover realistically. I think 500-750€ range with 10-15 players to cover it is enough to make the game run. 15 players means 3 places paid with 50% for the winner. I think 375€ which is 7.5BI will be attractive enough for regulars to take their chances and for funplayers to play qualifiers. I'm also convinced that it would be a starting point only and soon the tournament field would grow significantly.

   @pirahn don't be shy, tell us what's in your heart Tongue I know you've probably ground it million times elsewhere, but it's definitely worth to organize every practical idea in one place. I'm also little worried about @NMPfan writing a crime novel out of this, but we have to think positively Cheeky RELAUNCH? Do I get it right if I think of a completely new tournament schedule? Can you please tell a word on this?

   You're right about the communication of course. No response so far, not a word Wonder Where will they find more loyal naives than we are Rofl

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Unibet Poker Expert Leo-Unibet
Unibet Poker Expert

@Psycho79 Thanks for taking your time and sharing your thoughts.  I defenitely like a lot of your suggestions, having more generic tickets, giving players more opportunities with their tickets. You know as well as me that those specific qualifiers with specific tickets is there to maintain the guarantee on tournaments that need to be pumped up to have the guarantee intact. It's probably, as you say time to go back to the drawing board working the qualifier steps. Maybe the effect will be that some tournaments have to go down in the guarantee, that price might be worth paying to have a more optional ticket system.
Regarding the "daily €50" . The €1,500 Sputnik was never ment to be a major daily 50's , as you can tell by the start time and the not conservative settings, it's more of a tweaky MTT variant. Maybe we are ready for a major daily €50. You had me thinking and that's really good, this kind of feedback is needed to make the offering better.
Keep 'em coming. Thanks ! 


@VikingsAF @pirahn @NMPfan                  

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Psycho79 Rank 14
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@Leo-Unibet Thank you for your time and staying sensitive for my/Community concerns! I appreciate it! I totally understand you're worried about the current gtds to stay intact. Yet, there are not many 50€ tournaments in the schedule. Therefore, if you'd be willing to set one daily 10€ 3xgenericTx50€ gtd sat, next to the existing ones, you could easily track how it affects these gtds. Should they stay only intact, or should they grow?

Looking forward to Daily 50€ Thumbs Up

Thank you again, GL!

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VikingsAF Rank 21
Rank 21

@Leo-Unibet perfect.

But the GTD can not stay an illusion Smile Supernova now breaks the GTD, but how many of those tickets were won with overlay (and I bet the same goes for the other majors)

I think if after the next UOS user retention can be done the updated shedule can have some pretty GTD's Smile I'm gonna be more optimistic with the 50 majors and I think 20 players daily should be possible (1k GTD), but on the other hand you can keep in mind what I said before. Day specific majors can let you play with the GTD. Tuesday and Thursday can get up to 1.5k maybe, and you can put a turbo major on wednesday with a lower GTD of 750 (15 players). If they're all reachable trough a same satellite system I think this is not an overestimation Smile (Certainly with the new exchange policy)

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WuDu Rank 20
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@Psycho79 wrote:
Therefore, if you'd be willing to set one daily 10€ 3xgenericTx50€ gtd sat, next to the existing ones, you could easily track how it affects these gtds.

Thank you again, GL!


 

That's the type of tournament, I'd definitely play.

 

We're gonna win on so many levels! We're gonna win, win, win. You're gonna get so tired of winning, you're gonna say: "Mr. President please, we don't wanna win anymore, it's too much!" And I'm gonna say: "I'm sorry, we're gonna keep winning because we're gonna make America great again!"
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pirahn Rank 18
Rank 18

@VikingsAF Communication is an absolute fundamental building block of any company. 

@Psycho79 Most target tournaments are not affected by sats and this has led to the current thinking and strategy on sats. Whilst this is mostly true it wont help to build the site. With the change in ticket system, the onset of the downturn of summer and vast array of aggressive competition, i fear its a dangerous cocktail. 

My moto is always to simplyfy and declutter and offer a competitive weekly schedule. Its Sunday centric, people play sunday and leave monday. There needs to be daily major mid evening with a guarantee of 6k to 8k. Buy in between 30 to 50. It can be a rebuy but not an add on. This has to be the starting point to create a schedule around. There has to be a reason why people come and play day in day out. You need one daily tournament where you have a chance of winning something decent. A decent nano, 1, 2, 5, 25, 50 are also a must to cater for every range of customer.

The sats system needs an overhaul. Multi tix gtd is a MUST. You should look at feeder tournaments as well as generic tix. Once simplified you should allow tix exchange through system similar to live tix. 

The sputnik is very problematic. Its a terrible comp which is very successful with a very small and loyal marketplace. If you ran 10mtt 3x50 gtd, where can you use them, sputnik, milky way and oddyssey. Two are r/a. You dont want them to be used for ubo which has its own tree. What is needed is a 50 bounty. The 50 encourages higher stake players and the bounty will encourage others to play sats into it with the prospect of getting some form of return. Of course you can have both.(better add that before i get shot)

I better stop before it turns into a bookHappy

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WuDu Rank 20
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@pirahn wrote:

 You should look at feeder tournaments as well as generic tix.


Something I never understood is why Unibet doesn't use feeder qualifiers for the SN, they work so well for the UO and you used them for the old Sunday Entitled. Add one 25 to 100 Euro Supernova qualifier to the daily schedule with 3 Tix GTD and run one or two 3 TIX-feeders with 5 to 25 Euro Supernova roughly 1 or 2 hours before.   

 

We're gonna win on so many levels! We're gonna win, win, win. You're gonna get so tired of winning, you're gonna say: "Mr. President please, we don't wanna win anymore, it's too much!" And I'm gonna say: "I'm sorry, we're gonna keep winning because we're gonna make America great again!"
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NMPfan Rank 18
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@Psycho79 Having that at the same time as the regular schedule would be pretty sweet. The question is if Unibet will do it, since it's a possible expense, but a lot of satties at the lower levels are an expense right now so might be worth trying. 3 tickets GTD and generic prizes should be pretty popular. One thing about it, it should be in the lobby days before it starts, if it's made to pop up idk 5 hours before it starts (like many of the current ones) nobody will know it exists, maybe a unique color as well Smile . If people know about it it will probably do great, and maybe to more of them in the future which would replace the current ones. 

As for the daily 50, idk 500 might be a tad low to be attractive to the players that would play this, the same way the players that would play a 10R/A (essentially a 30-40€ abi) don't even click on a 200GTD like the small Sputnik. but yeah maybe a 600-850, preferably bigger, but might not be enough players interested right now actually logging in, since they know there is nothing in that price range. The eternal issue, make big GTDs and run them at a big loss, they will be successful to attract the current unibet players but will have a hard time bringing more, so not enough players. Make the GTD small and nobody cares to play it other than the loyal regs, and that's not longer a good game to play. Ideally, as others have mentioned, a big boost in the MTT schedule, in how many tournaments / daily majors there are and how big the GTD's are would be done during (not after) a UOS. Same for a sattie system overhaul. Yes there is a possibility of them cannibalizing each other, but it would expose the hoards of players coming for the series to what is a much more attractive schedule, and that might make them actually stay. Actually getting the info that something great is here is the hardest thing to do so even if it would be done at a loss during the series it might be worth it long term. And besides, the UOS did great in terms of prizepools and instead of cannibalizing the other games, everything got boosted in that period, MTT and satellites. Also new tournaments could be added sooner and just have them boosted then and keep them boosted after.

The schedule should definitly use at least a daily 50 fo and a bunch more 25 fo maybe a rebuy as well, and a few more 10's as well. Probably on all levels. Having a player not close the site after they bust whatever tournament they're playing cause there's nothing else interesting to play for their bi is super valuable. 

As for the every day specific majors, idk, on one side it might be kinda cool, but on the other side maybe a major that is every day the same way at the same time would make people come back more, knowing that it will be there every day. Also the current mtt lobby is reallllly bad at actually showing people what they want to see. They might just get lost on the mess, and differences between them are hard to spot with a single glance. The regs will know, we need everyone else to easily get the information as well for them to be interested. Then again, a big GTD might be attractive regardless. With a mix would probably be ideal, a bunch of daily majors and one day specific. The mtt lobby still needs to be redone from scratch tho, also coded better, it has so many issues and bugs and lags that have persisted for the past 2 years. 

As for 3tix or more 25s to 100, those are okay, as are most with multi tix, they're actual satties, and differentiate themselves from being worse 5man sng's. I still wonder how many of the supporters of this format (25to100)would actually flick in 25€ oftenly to qualify to the 100's if ticket exchanges didn't exist, I can almost understand @MoreTBC s fetish of bashing exchanges constantly. But their role of starting games and helping people that would have a very hard time getting to live events is probably more important than fulfilling a sick pleasure Smirk . They definitely helped me to get to a much more comfortable point in playing poker, besides the experiences, online in higher stakes and the live event experiences. Ah sheite I wrote a book again ... multi tix are fine, done dammit. k tnx bye Haha 

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