WuDu Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 @Brocky wrote: Jesus, what a load of bollocks. Are you actually trying to argue that gambling isn't highly addictive? A quick google search and you'll find hundreds if not thousands of different stories regarding people who have committed fraud and theft to fund their gambling and plenty who have also committed suicide because of the addiction. :laugh: Of course it isn't. Gambling isn't the issue here, the issue is with the problem gamblers. Degenerate behaviour, greed, no tolerance for frustation, the need for instant gratification are just a few reasons that come to my mind. People get obsessed with a lot of things these days, that doesn't mean that you're addicted. I recently saw a report claiming that "Like-buttons" on facebook cause "addictions" to social media as well, giving the same dopamine-reasoning you did before...If you really believe that at some point you might be getting triggered that you cannot control your actions anymore, that you don't play for fun/with a clear mind but because some power within you is making you act a certain way, stop immediately, self-exclude everywhere and leave gambling behind for good.@Livertool wrote: What aren't there documentaries for? Like i said we can be victims or we can try to improve and change our actions. That is good justification for everything, "i am wired differently" when most cases that is not reason. Whether it is gluttony, drugs, alcohol etc it is you that has to make difference ultimately. Sites can offer tools to help but that doesn't make the problem go away.I didn't say those restrictions were useless, just tried to mention they are not solution.......Human is funny machine and can learn all kinds of new tricks. At least you should give yourself chance to be master of your actions and try it. If you manage to do it, i guarantee you feel better of yourself and wallet thanks too. I do tilt still too, no matter if it freeroll badbeat or big lose in casino/betting. But those are exactly the moments you should try to walk out and try next time wityh better luck and not feed tha money eating machine. Totally agree with @Livertool here. 1 We're gonna win on so many levels! We're gonna win, win, win. You're gonna get so tired of winning, you're gonna say: "Mr. President please, we don't wanna win anymore, it's too much!" And I'm gonna say: "I'm sorry, we're gonna keep winning because we're gonna make America great again!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GotWhatItTakes Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 The stop loss limit is a glorious feature :-) saved me quite a bit of money that I would have lost on tilt over time :inlove: 1 NO MORE HALF-MEASURES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish8one Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 @WuDu If you really believe that at some point you might be getting triggered that you cannot control your actions anymore, that you don't play for fun/with a clear mind but because some power within you is making you act a certain way, stop immediately, self-exclude everywhere and leave gambling behind for good.LOOOL Mr Robot ,What do you think, if everybody would follow this " advice "..for how long would be online poker /gambling exist?????Put your hand on your hart, did you never EVER felt like you discribed above ??!!?? :)Still playing..? :)C'mon guys, limitstop is a fundamental option at most sites. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushbie Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Well for the records, just like so many others, I've been playing games in various forms almost since birth too, due to personal and friends interests, and the family's and their friends habits. Gambling and cardgames obviously amongst those. Before online poker, at 14-15yo I lived in a place that was right near the library and poolhall on my way back and forth to school. Often when not playing pool or doing sports, was reading all kinds of stuff while listening music in a soundproofed-room. Like how roulette works, how blackjack works, betting works.. you name it. Needless to say, there were no online games and ways to put the interesting tips at use, and all the live places that had them, was banned for underaged people. I never completely understood that then, because I "knew", with 0 experience, that I had no such malicious tendensies towards those games, like some of the people around me clearly had, and who were always warning me about 'em. That's OK, mindset back then was that every stupid law has a workaround, so if your buddy in class has a photographer-daddy for example, hes devices and programs can be easily used to make fake-IDs, and with carefully selected choices of clothes, you could just walk in to the monopoly-controlled gambling halls without a problem if stopped and checked. Boy, that was super fun and exiciting, doesn't matter what people say. Got finally caught just a few months before turning 18 in a bar, when forgot to take the real ones away from the wallet and had to pay the price for it when cops were called.. Still worth it, IMO Did that era make me addict? No. Did I learn lots of possible dangers that it has? Yes. Point is, that during all the time spend on the road, I've stepped on every single fking landmine there is on the fields of gambling multiple times. Some of those by accident, some bc of having fun and being adventurous, and some more times than others unwillingly. Every time I've blown up and respawned right back to the latest checkpoint, I've kept going with a different method. That's what has led me into state of wide, comprehensive awareness, that most healthcare-workers would never ever allow anyone to even try to have via empirical research.Nowadays, I don't have to guess whats there at the fields anymore, or what it has in and around of it. I know exactly where the mines are. What they look like, how they work, how to avoid them.. and most importantly, how they feel like. For me they are all glowing there like heated stones in the dark, while scanning the path through the infrared night-vision goggles.What the increased methods for restrictions would do, is that they would allow even dancing in the fields with eyes blindfolded, which is not the case here now.It's only for the interests of the business to stall the progress to become more precise with it, just like the oil companies wants to stall the coming progress of electric cars. I'm sure everyone has seen the cross-selling of poker- and casino products, and the clever sponsor-logos for the little teenage brains in the E-sports audience. Nothing wrong with that tho. It's legal and the authors and forces of Gambling Awareness has approved it.The keyword and reason here is Prevention.Self-aware gamblers know exactly what can await them at various situations beforehand with increased risks down the road. Just by being able to set detailed restrictions for the upcoming weekend or whatever, major setbacks could easily be avoided. Those are not often placed amongst players because, for example, lowering the daily losslimits for poker can be returned only after waiting seven days. 7 days! That's a whole friggin week off from usual limits because you placed a limit for the coming night in bar or whatever the reason was!There is no excuse for not adding more methods and options. There is only question, how much the casinobusiness is ready to take temporary loss in profits with this shield-polishing move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brocky Posted May 27, 2019 Author Share Posted May 27, 2019 For the casino it may well be true that Unibet will profit more by delaying such changes but with poker it's probably the opposite. If you have a player with 100 euros as their bankroll, it is more profitable for the poker site if they are playing lots of 1 euro games as opposed to one 100 euro game. The more volume a player puts in the more times a poker site gets to take their rake, which is why the bounty MTTs and flatter payouts were introduced, it's all about spreading the payouts across more players so more can be raked.With me for example, if I had a a limit on the 50 euro stake, I'd probably grind 100+ games daily whereas now I may play 10 and then tilt play a 100/200 euro game before quitting for the day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brocky Posted June 12, 2019 Author Share Posted June 12, 2019 @Stubbe-Unibet any update on this please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbe-Unibet Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 The loss limit was developed for .com exclusively, and we don't have the resources to add it to all other markets right now. This year we'll get a dedicated development team for responsible gaming, which will help speed up the progress on these things :) 1 Check the latest poker release notes. Have a look at our poker promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbe-Unibet Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 @Brocky wrote:For the casino it may well be true that Unibet will profit more by delaying such changes but with poker it's probably the opposite.And just a quick comment on this. The profit doesn't play a role here, and we're not intentionally delaying anything. It's never in our interest that players lose more than they can afford. Everyone benefits from responsible gaming.For casino the deposit limits are already an effective tool as well, as casino players generally don't have a large bankroll on the site but deposit whenever they want to play. For poker this is obviously different and the deposit limits are not as effective - at least not for winning players - and we're aware of this. 2 Check the latest poker release notes. Have a look at our poker promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushbie Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Have to admit, I'd loved to place a bet that does the religious lady fall off from the stage at some point 😞 The body language of the co reminds a behavior of a self aware pig. The poor science guy, with actual words, can't even walk straight after that attack after speach. (And the anti-gambling science guy is right.)And the fking lightshow makes you wanna vomit, manipulation of the crowds mood/experience at its finest form, pthui, fu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brocky Posted June 26, 2019 Author Share Posted June 26, 2019 5 hour video!? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GR1ZZL3R Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 @Brocky wrote: 5 hour video!?That's what I thought @Rushbie is it worth it and do we learn anything relevant? :wonder: 1 "It turns out that 75% of all poker players think they play better than the other 75%." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushbie Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Yea it's long alright. Its full seminar. The damn intro took 30mins, so it's not for the ones not interested. Some pps get paid to hear/be there for this crap :wonder: Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDW Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 @Rushbie any timestamps of the most interesting/entertaining parts? :) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushbie Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 bout 30mins to 2hour Only worthwile to check, imo 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish8one Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Any news on this basic staff..?Would be available here ever...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brocky Posted February 5, 2020 Author Share Posted February 5, 2020 No is the answer. I’ve asked many times but poker is not high enough priority. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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