P0kerM0nk Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 So just noticed title has been changed to 1st of July, this the new official date then? @Stubbe-Unibet 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livertool Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Oh, how i will miss these challenges when new system drops in 😛kWhile you now got extra time to fiddle new system, please remove all this kind of useless crap that don't mean anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollero Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Hi!So if I contribute min 25€ rake in a quarter I get acces for special freerolls for how long time?Also can I start contributing right now or I have to wait for July 1st? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckham087 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Hey! Will there be rake carry overs? Let's just say I'll make 22055€ rake in Q3, which is 1500 more than 20555 (which will be I guess 7-3 or 7-4) but probably less than the next level. It would be reaaly stupid for me to make those last 1500 rake for just 18% rakeback, knowing that I'll can't make it to the next step. But obv if that rake will count in Q4 than it's no problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbe-Unibet Posted April 15, 2021 Author Share Posted April 15, 2021 @Beckham087, apologies for the slow reply, I have been off the last two days.No, there wont be carry-over in that regard. Below the different levels and required rake:LevelRake StepRake Total% Increase 1 - 1-1 1.25 1.25100%1-2 1.25 2.5050%1-3 1.25 3.7533%2 1.25 5.0025%2-1 5.00 10.0050%2-2 5.00 15.0033%2-3 5.00 20.0025%3 5.00 25.0020%3-1 20.00 45.0044%3-2 20.00 65.0031%3-3 20.00 85.0024%4 20.00 105.0019%4-1 125.00 230.0054%4-2 125.00 355.0035%4-3 125.00 480.0026%5 125.00 605.0021%5-1 400.00 1,005.0040%5-2 400.00 1,405.0028%5-3 400.00 1,805.0022%6 400.00 2,205.0018%6-1 1,700.00 3,905.0044%6-2 1,700.00 5,605.0030%6-3 1,700.00 7,305.0023%7 1,700.00 9,005.0019%7-1 3,850.00 12,855.0030%7-2 3,850.00 16,705.0023%7-3 3,850.00 20,555.0019%7-4 3,850.00 24,405.0016%7-5 3,850.00 28,255.0014%7-6 3,850.00 32,105.0012%7-7 3,850.00 35,955.0011%7-8 3,850.00 39,805.0010%7-9 3,850.00 43,655.009% Check the latest poker release notes. Have a look at our poker promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P0kerM0nk Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreedoM Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, P0kerM0nk said: 🙈 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WuDu Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 @P0kerM0nk @FreedoM New gambling laws in Germany are calling for a 5.3 % turnover tax, starting on July 1st. If this laws goes through, this has huge implications on the Unibet player pool as Unibet would then have to make a decision on whether to still offer Poker to German players (probably only SNGs and MTTs) or move out of the German market completely. Since such a decision has implications on the loyalty system as well, you'll now have to wait a little. 1 1 2 We're gonna win on so many levels! We're gonna win, win, win. You're gonna get so tired of winning, you're gonna say: "Mr. President please, we don't wanna win anymore, it's too much!" And I'm gonna say: "I'm sorry, we're gonna keep winning because we're gonna make America great again!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P0kerM0nk Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 Bloody Germans! *shakes fist* 😆 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livertool Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 1 hour ago, WuDu said: @P0kerM0nk @FreedoM New gambling laws in Germany are calling for a 5.3 % turnover tax, starting on July 1st. If this laws goes through, this has huge implications on the Unibet player pool as Unibet would then have to make a decision on whether to still offer Poker to German players (probably only SNGs and MTTs) or move out of the German market completely. Since such a decision has implications on the loyalty system as well, you'll now have to wait a little. For customer or unibet? Sorry, aint't have such problems so dunno what this means Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WuDu Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 12 minutes ago, Livertool said: For customer or unibet? Sorry, aint't have such problems so dunno what this means Well, who's bearing the tax burden in the end depends on the elasticity of the demand and the elasticity of the supply for online poker in Germany. I'm sure, Unibet's best Public Finance Economists are already on the case computing the most efficient way to deal with these potential new tax regulations: 😀 2 5 We're gonna win on so many levels! We're gonna win, win, win. You're gonna get so tired of winning, you're gonna say: "Mr. President please, we don't wanna win anymore, it's too much!" And I'm gonna say: "I'm sorry, we're gonna keep winning because we're gonna make America great again!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livertool Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 1 hour ago, WuDu said: Well, who's bearing the tax burden in the end depends on the elasticity of the demand and the elasticity of the supply for online poker in Germany. I'm sure, Unibet's best Public Finance Economists are already on the case computing the most efficient way to deal with these potential new tax regulations: What i wanted to know was that are you paying the bill with paying tax on your withdraws or is unibet doing it for you and hence giving shit promos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbe-Unibet Posted April 24, 2021 Author Share Posted April 24, 2021 I can't really comment on the German situation at this moment. Hopefully, the regulator will realize that this just doesn't work for poker, and a compromise will be made for this product - to me it seems obvious that poker hasn't been considered at all. However, if that doesn't happen, it'll obviously have huge consequences for the German market - the tax is higher than the fees for cash games.... In regards to tournaments, I see 3 possible outcomes: - All disabled (no poker for German customers) - We disable SNG's and we take the hit (this can only be done if we're to solely consider poker an acquisition tool, as there'll obviously be no money in it for us). This would mean loyalty being disabled and Germany excluded from all monetary rewards. - We disable SNG's and let the customers pay the new tax. Which one it'll be, I simply can't say at this stage. We'll of course let you guys know on here as the first, as soon as a decision has been made. 1 Check the latest poker release notes. Have a look at our poker promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WuDu Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Livertool said: What i wanted to know was that are you paying the bill with paying tax on your withdraws or is unibet doing it for you and hence giving shit promos? 😄 @Livertool The state plans to collect from Unibet based on the turnover, not withdrawals. E.g. I play an SNG10, that's a turnover of 10 Euro, the tax man now goes to Unibet and demands 5,3 % of the 10 Euro I spent, which amounts to 53 cent for just 1 SNG at the 10 Euro level. 20 games at the SNG25 level would amount to over 25 Euro just in taxes. 🤮 Of course, that's pure madness, so the question is whether Unibet stays in the market or leaves. @Stubbe-Unibet Why would you disable SNGs? Don't you mean cash games? Edited April 24, 2021 by WuDu We're gonna win on so many levels! We're gonna win, win, win. You're gonna get so tired of winning, you're gonna say: "Mr. President please, we don't wanna win anymore, it's too much!" And I'm gonna say: "I'm sorry, we're gonna keep winning because we're gonna make America great again!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbe-Unibet Posted April 24, 2021 Author Share Posted April 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, WuDu said: Why would you disable SNGs? Don't you mean cash games? Because of the low fee (and traffic) - if we let the customer take the hit, no customer will play them anyway. Cash games will be disabled no matter what, if the turnover tax is implemented. Check the latest poker release notes. Have a look at our poker promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livertool Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, WuDu said: 😄 @Livertool The state plans to collect from Unibet based on the turnover, not withdrawals. E.g. I play an SNG10, that's a turnover of 10 Euro, the tax man now goes to Unibet and demands 5,3 % of the 10 Euro I spent, which amounts to 53 cent for just 1 SNG at the 10 Euro level. 20 games at the SNG25 level would amount to over 25 Euro just in taxes. 🤮 Of course, that's pure madness, so the question is whether Unibet stays in the market or leaves. @Stubbe-Unibet Why would you disable SNGs? Don't you mean cash games? Ok. Didn't know that. But how taxman know what you play? Unibet has to give that info to them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WuDu Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 @Livertool Probably, but you'd have to ask one of the employees for that... @Stubbe-Unibet Now I see! Have you thought about offering SNG tickets to Germans which would include the tax or parts of it? We're gonna win on so many levels! We're gonna win, win, win. You're gonna get so tired of winning, you're gonna say: "Mr. President please, we don't wanna win anymore, it's too much!" And I'm gonna say: "I'm sorry, we're gonna keep winning because we're gonna make America great again!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livertool Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, WuDu said: @Livertool Probably, but you'd have to ask one of the employees for that... @Stubbe-Unibet Ain't EU all about free trade, infact that is most important thing keeping this nonsense together? Well, whatever, all things come to end one day. Hint: don't buy any casino stocks 😀 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WuDu Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 On 4/25/2021 at 12:03 AM, Livertool said: Ain't EU all about free trade, infact that is most important thing keeping this nonsense together? Well, whatever, all things come to end one day. Hint: don't buy any casino stocks 😀 https://www.egba.eu/news-post/germany-online-casino-tax-would-advantage-land-based-operators-in-breach-of-eu-state-aid-rules/ At least Unibet is a member here. Hooray for lobbying groups! 🤢 And maybe the community mods won't get rid of me again...😁 Quote EGBA has already shared its concerns about the proposed tax measure with the European Commission. Should the tax measure be adopted as proposed, EGBA will consider all options, including filing a formal state aid complaint with the European Commission. The European Commission has previously determined that differentiated tax treatment between online and land-based casinos qualifies as a state aid under EU law.[6] In that Danish case, the Commission concluded that a lower tax rate for online casino was justified by the overall consumer protection objectives of creating a regulated and safe online environment, in view of the inevitable competition with the unregulated online market. What is that Danish case? Isn't Danish poker regulated to death as well? 2 We're gonna win on so many levels! We're gonna win, win, win. You're gonna get so tired of winning, you're gonna say: "Mr. President please, we don't wanna win anymore, it's too much!" And I'm gonna say: "I'm sorry, we're gonna keep winning because we're gonna make America great again!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livertool Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 4 hours ago, WuDu said: https://www.egba.eu/news-post/germany-online-casino-tax-would-advantage-land-based-operators-in-breach-of-eu-state-aid-rules/ At least Unibet is a member here. Hooray for lobbying groups! 🤢 And maybe the community mods won't get rid of me again...😁 What is that Danish case? Isn't Danish poker regulated to death as well? Everone wants piece of gamblers , like gambling itself wouldn't be hard to profit already 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WuDu Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 @Livertool Especially since the whole cake would vastly shrink with such a taxation plan. Unless the government wants German players to play on unregulated sites... 2 We're gonna win on so many levels! We're gonna win, win, win. You're gonna get so tired of winning, you're gonna say: "Mr. President please, we don't wanna win anymore, it's too much!" And I'm gonna say: "I'm sorry, we're gonna keep winning because we're gonna make America great again!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbe-Unibet Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 On 5/6/2021 at 5:54 PM, WuDu said: What is that Danish case? Isn't Danish poker regulated to death as well? Yes, when the Danish market was re-regulated, a lower tax was introduced on online operators than brick and mortar casinos. The tax rate not being the same for offline and online is what was challenged. Check the latest poker release notes. Have a look at our poker promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckham087 Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 On 4/24/2021 at 5:50 PM, P0kerM0nk said: Is there any new info about this? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeroenvg Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 So still no rake-back for Belgium players in any form? Other sites are offering it for more then a year rn allready. 🙄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chip Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 How exactly are you going to calculate the value of carry-over challenge points? I've usually made between 1,250,000 to 1,500,000 points per quarter. In the past if I did not reach 1,500,000 points in one quarter it was not that bad as these carry-over points made it easier to reach that level next quarter. If I don't reach 1,500,000 points this quarter are you going to value my carry-over points based on the 1,250,000 - 1,500,000 level or will you value my carry-over points based on 0 - 250,000 level? There is a huge difference in these scenarios and I think the former would be more fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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