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fish8one
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Eeezee
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lol!

'Random is random'

No, it's not actually.

The fact that the average player believes this doesn't surprise me.

The fact that a Unibet employee claims it, truly shocks me!

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GR1ZZL3R
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Come on then @Eeezee can you explain in a bit more detail how random is not random or something can be "randomer" than random, or indeed "unrandom" or "randomless" or "irrandom" or "randomlike" or "rnoadm?" Rofl

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pinki
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@GR1ZZL3R wrote:

Come on then @Eeezee can you explain in a bit more detail how random is not random or something can be "randomer" than random, or indeed "unrandom" or "randomless" or "irrandom" or "randomlike" or "rnoadm?" Rofl


@GR1ZZL3R  the most imporant question is - 'do you really want this explanation?'Very Happy

sometimes it is better to avoid certain things for the good of the mind ...

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GR1ZZL3R
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@pinki I'm just in one of those rare good moods but I want to keep it going with some deeply intellectual discussions. Rofl

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Eeezee
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Hi,

Thanks for the response.

Firstly, what is random? How do you define random?

There are varying definitions of random but, for most people, random means not being able to discern reliably predictable patterns.

So is rng random? Is the Unibet employee correct when he states ‘random is random’?

Definitely not.

The rng algorithm is simply a set of instructions. It begins with a so-called ‘seed’ number or value and then builds from there into a complex pattern that only appears random. If you knew the seed and the specific instructions of the algorithm you would, of course, be able to accurately predict the next sequences in the pattern. Hence, the rng is not truly random, it just appears random.

This is no conspiracy theory, it’s a scientific fact.

Generally speaking, this knowledge can’t help the average player because he or she has no way of discerning the seed number or the specific instructions of the algorithm. Such things are obviously closely guarded secrets, as Unibet employees have clearly stated. In other words, to all intents and purposes, the rng is random to the average player.

However, if you understand how rng works, you can sometimes turn it to your advantage. It is sometimes vulnerable.

Just in case you doubt this, last week I turned €10 into over a €1000 playing roulette here at Unibet. I’m not going to say exactly how I did it, and I subsequently lost most of it back, but the point is, it wasn’t just some random winning streak. I managed to ‘approximate’ the seed number and several of the key instructions of the algorithm in order to significantly increase my strike rate. I didn’t use any software or use any special tricks, I simply worked it out in my head, and on a bit of paper, then bet accordingly.

So how did I lose most of it back?

Well, I am quite sure that Unibet must have been wondering how I was doing it. The game started taking an unusually long time to load and after that the algorithm seemed slightly different, slightly harder. I couldn’t be bothered trying to work it out again, and I certainly didn’t want to waste any more money trying to, so I subsequently banned myself from roulette. I joined Unibet to play poker, not to try and beat the roulette rng, which may or may not be possible.

In summary, not all rngs are created equal, some are more vulnerable than others, some are more unforgiving than others, but as I hope my explanation makes clear, random is not always random!

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Onefloatyboi
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This thread is gold lol

The delusion levels have gone through the roof Rofl

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Brocky
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Lmao what a classic. If I knew how to exploit a casino for £1000 from £10 I would not be sat here posting on a forum, I’d be retired on a beach somewhere.
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Kliedz_Zivju
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@pinki i think its more of a why, whats the underlying issue here Smile always a smile on the forum hehe hope everyone doing well 

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Eeezee
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This is exactly why I don't generally like posting in forums like this, they tend to be full of ill-educated trolls!

Which part do you think is delusion?

My explanation of why rng is not truly random? My explanation is accurate. Go do some research, Google it, or ask Unibet themselves. How did you think random numbers were generated?

My winning streak? You obviously either doubt it even happened or you think that I just got lucky perhaps and am now deluding myself into believing that I worked out some sort of vulnerability in the rng?  Well, firstly, it did happen. I've still got some screenshots on my phone. I'm quite happy to post some of them. Secondly, if you think I might just have got lucky, perhaps that could be the case but I think it is highly unlikely. My strike rate, over several days, was much higher than expected. As I said earlier, it seemed to dive after the game mysteriously started taking much longer to load. It was more than just a lucky streak.

To be crystal clear, I am not suggesting myself or anyone else can beat the rng here at Unibet or anywhere else reliably enough to reverse the house's edge over the long term, even if you can work out parts of the algorithm as I seemed to. I won't be trying again. Nor do I recommend anyone else trying. However, to reiterate my main point, random is never really random with rngs, it just appears that way. 

Perhaps you are the one who is deluded!

 

 

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