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psrquack Rank 25
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As title says, any information are welcome @Ray-Unibet.

 

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Unibet Poker Expert Stubbe-Unibet
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There's nothing more to share than what was shared in 2015 Smile

"Our exact RNG is an implementation detail that we do not wish to share, but it is a cryptographically secure pseudo random number generator that passes the statistical tests in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TestU01 . The RNG has also been verified by an outside company; eCogra ( https://www.ecogra.org), one of the largest and most recognized independent audit firm in the igaming industry, which continuously audits the software and RNG

In poker, entire deck is shuffled once before the hand starts, using a simple algorithm (Knuth Shuffle, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher%E2%80%93Yates_shuffle ), that produces an unbiased shuffle, given that the RNG it relies on is unbiased."

 

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psrquack Rank 25
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Please @Stubbe-Unibet , I can use wikipedia myself so don't need an assistance for it. Let be more concrete: does your rng generate the cards before the deal happen or any action, like check, call, using timebank etc can modify the outcome. Is the card generating happen on every street or not. As I see you use ecogra as audit company, but which firm sold the mechanics to Unibet? Are there various rng simulation programs on market or every poker company uses the same? Is there a software update for the poker developed RNG or do not need it?

Btw I'm still waiting for expert's answer as Ray promised that one.

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Unibet Poker Expert Stubbe-Unibet
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Random is random. In other words it doesn't matter. It simply doesn't make sense to talk about the players actions having an impact. Again, it's random.
I don't have all the info you request and I honestly see no point in getting it either. It's gonna take time from some developer, if I was to request the full details, so it's simply not going to happen Smile
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psrquack Rank 25
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@Stubbe-Unibet wrote:
Random is random. In other words it doesn't matter. It simply doesn't make sense to talk about the players actions having an impact. Again, it's random.
I don't have all the info you request and I honestly see no point in getting it either. It's gonna take time from some developer, if I was to request the full details, so it's simply not going to happen Smile

I really apprecaiated your answer. It's always pleasure having a friendly assistance from nice employees.

How good to see having a promise in one topic and facing the reality in other. You guys are really awesome, and I'm really proud being a member of that helpful community leading by such an sacrificing leaders. Thanks again.

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MoreTBC Rank 23
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Why do people care so much about this? You waiting 2 seconds or 3 seconds to click call makes no difference to the run out.You questions about actions altering things was answered in Stubbe's original quote. One shuffle. That's it. Cards are set, if the ace of hearts is 6th in order after the shuffle, it's staying there until the next hand.

 

This is all Lee Jones fault and his stupid PS videos from back in the day.

Have you read my blog HERE... It's long isn't it Smile
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Unibet Poker Expert Stubbe-Unibet
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@psrquack wrote:

@Stubbe-Unibet wrote:
Random is random. In other words it doesn't matter. It simply doesn't make sense to talk about the players actions having an impact. Again, it's random.
I don't have all the info you request and I honestly see no point in getting it either. It's gonna take time from some developer, if I was to request the full details, so it's simply not going to happen Smile

I really apprecaiated your answer. It's always pleasure having a friendly assistance from nice employees.

How good to see having a promise in one topic and facing the reality in other. You guys are really awesome, and I'm really proud being a member of that helpful community leading by such an sacrificing leaders. Thanks again.


Where was it promised you'd get all details about the RNG? If you were indeed promised this, I do apologize for not being able to deliver such.

Again, I'm not going to waste development resources on a question that doesn't make any difference; random is random. Why do you need these details when it doesn't make any difference? Even if it didn't require development resources, I don't really see the need for this information to be made publicly available. I see two things happening:

- An endless discussion around details and things that make no difference; wasted time from my end and anyone else on Unibet/Relax end who'd need to provide info
- At the end of the day it won't change anything for any customers. It won't change the way you play - or change anything in general - as random is random

I'm always happy to share info and details when it makes sense and I feel it'll be a valuable discussion - these valuable discussions is the main reason I'm on here and why I was driving the community project in the very beginning. This discussion will never be valuable but solely a waste of time, at least for me/Unibet/Relax.

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XY Rank 19
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I am afraid we will never know @psrquack .I asked the same question/s in the other thread.
No reply,as expected.
I live in illusion,until receives some other prove,that RNG pick a combination from already preordered outcome.
Example,in a #1875319246 (hand number) we have 6 players in and winner will be seat 3 with the straight (that is the best possible hand strength in that combination),and so on.
Dont think time,or bigger/smaller bet/raise/reraise,have an impact on the outcome.

But I do belive RNG can be adjusted/set up...didnt get into details of this because I probably would not understand šhit.Neither wanna learn Wink
What can I tell from my experience?! I used to play a lot Texas Hold'em Poker Live Dealer when it came out,and they are using shuffle machine.
Machine gave a hits here and there for us,customers,but most of the time dealer was a winner.One summer day shuffle machine died,therefore dealer/s needed to use their hands. Wink
Oh boy,black oil started to sprinkle...Smile in that session we had straight flush on a flop (for a 1€/$ as a side bet,bonus bet,we received 50 or more €/$) ,we had a bonus games (A on the flop or better) all the time.I think ratio was 3-4/1 for a bonus game to come.Lots of good stuffs!
But like always,good things does not last forever Wink

What I wanted to say is,in poker I do belive it is all random,and houses do not adjust them.In blackjack,or similar,hmmmm...
Lets be honest,if dealer shuffles the deck it will be random as no one saw the order,but if someone make algoritam and give an order to machine,it from the start isnt random.

Even tho I like your enthusiastic approach for things you do here,must admit,you also know write something that it just popped-up on your mind.Take a bit defensive approach next time when you wanna write something @Stubbe-Unibet  Wink
I didnt find offended in any of your replies,but some peoples could.Carpenter,etc.
Most of us throwed bunch of stuffs on Ray-Unibet  and Jeppe-Unibet ,but never got some,maybe,offensive reply.
Just a tip for you Wink

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Unibet Poker Expert Stubbe-Unibet
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@XY wrote:

I am afraid we will never know @psrquack .I asked the same question/s in the other thread.


But why is it you want to know this? Isn't enough knowing it's random? Or did you watch the pokerstars video and want to hack into the Relax lasers? Wink As I mention above, I really don't see the point in discussing this, and I'm never going to have dev resources spent on it - especially not now with the bugs we've got.


@XY wrote:

Even tho I like your enthusiastic approach for things you do here,must admit,you also know write something that it just popped-up on your mind.Take a bit defensive approach next time when you wanna write something @Stubbe-Unibet  Wink
I didnt find offended in any of your replies,but some peoples could.Carpenter,etc.
Most of us throwed bunch of stuffs on Ray-Unibet  and Jeppe-Unibet ,but never got some,maybe,offensive reply.
Just a tip for you Wink


My objective is no longer to build and grow the community, that's what Ray and Jeppe are here for Smile I'm on here to turn a Trabant into a reliable Tesla Cheeky My first priority is to improve the poker product, and I really don't have any interest in wasting time on discussing details around the RNG.

I've always been honest and to the point, and that won't change. I don't think I'm ever offensive, but if someone got really thin skin and expect a sugar-coated teletubbies tone of voice and approach, some of my replies might not be to their liking. If someone ever felt offended by something I wrote, I'd encourage them to send me a PM and explain their view on things Smile

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XY Rank 19
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@Stubbe-Unibet wrote:

@XY wrote:

I am afraid we will never know @psrquack .I asked the same question/s in the other thread.


But why is it you want to know this? 


For the same reason company keep it in secret...

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