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@FeelsBadMan wrote:

 

@Argevolen You say business is not conducted on trust, but in reality everything works on trust, currency only has value based on trust, stocks as well, a lack of trust in them devalues them both, any transaction you make, any place you give information to, any purchase you make, it's all based on trust. Of course the more safety features are in place the more trust you can have in someone / something. Like with unibet, the RNG verifications, the licencing authorities, the fact that they operate legally in regulated countries that might do their own verifications, the common sense of they're not that stupid to risk a billion dollar business that actually cares about being in regulated markets, for maybe a few tens of thousands. All that adds to that trust relationship. Nothing will guarantee it 100%.

You haveing hand histories will add very little to that, not only will you have a very tiny sample size to verify compared to regulators that wouldn't have that issue (which again, you have to trust that every regulator isn't in cahoots with unibet or that they're actually doing their job), but also, people are very bad at spotting the nefarious stuff that's going on. Some sites have published their stats when it comes to banning people, and in general, the amount of bans that resulted out of people observing stuff out of the ordinary and reporting it, vs their own internal detection systems was sub 2%, and a lot of that 2% probably would have been detected anyway at some point. People just don't have the sample sizes and the attention to make a significant impact when compared to computer based checks. 

 

 

That being said, I too want hand histories, for my own personal use, and I'm looking forward to it becoming a thing on unibet, at some point, hopefully. 😀

@FeelsBadMan 

The poker room must prove its integrity.This is  their direct interest. I just suggested options as regular player.

If the Unibet believes that reputational risks are enough- this is their right!


 

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@Argevolen They don't really have to prove anything to you or me,  we have the freedom of not playing here if we don't trust them. Like for example if you are against anonymity then you should just not play on a site that is built around anonymity, plenty of non anonymous options around. I get it that it's not that easy to "have a choice" in some countries, since only a few sites might be licenced, that sucks, I'm in the same boat, but c'est la vie.

Where they must prove their integrity is to the regulators, if you don't trust multiple countries's regulators either then there's really not much more one can do to add legitimacy other than them giving access to every single player to their systems to conduct their own audit, which would be silly. 

 

All that being said, I think they should have a standard message with all the links and relevant data and little explanation (about the rng, licencing authority, countries they have licence in and their licence numbers) neatly arranged in one place to just copy paste whenever someone has an inquiry about integrity. Just from a PR perspective this should probably be the standard reply, even though most of that info will be useless to the player asking and they won't look more into it /  won't know how or what it means, it removes from the get go the assumption that anything is hidden and it gives the impression that the customer's inquiry is valued by the company even though all that is done is a simple copy paste. Sounds like good ROI 😏

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@Argevolen wrote:


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@Argevolen wt doesnt metter what i or you believe.

Give experts and players the opportunity to check the work of your software (hand history). And everyone will draw conclusions himself.

I

@pinki couple of answers:

1. Yes, they can! The time factor does not metter here. 30-40kk hands from 30-40 regulars allowable sampling for premilinary conclusions. There are many methods of analysis. The main thing to know where to look....



@Argevolen nice one 🤣  maybe better to learn how such generators are tested and checked today. 

You probably think that several regular casino players are able to check the game. Ask Netent or Relax  how they specify RTP for certain games.  How many samples they usually use, in poker the situation is propably similar. 

I think that even Relax would have no problem giving this piece of code and you could test it at home 🤣🤣🤣🤣

"Small opportunities are often the beginning of great enterprises."
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@Argevolen They don't really have to prove anything to you or me,  we have the freedom of not playing here if we don't trust them. Like for example if you are against anonymity then you should just not play on a site that is built around anonymity, plenty of non anonymous options around. I get it that it's not that easy to "have a choice" in some countries, since only a few sites might be licenced, that sucks, I'm in the same boat, but c'est la vie.

Where they must prove their integrity is to the regulators, if you don't trust multiple countries's regulators either then there's really not much more one can do to add legitimacy other than them giving access to every single player to their systems to conduct their own audit, which would be silly. 

 

 

All that being said, I think they should have a standard message with all the links and relevant data and little explanation (about the rng, licencing authority, countries they have licence in and their licence numbers) neatly arranged in one place to just copy paste whenever someone has an inquiry about integrity. Just from a PR perspective this should probably be the standard reply, even though most of that info will be useless to the player asking and they won't look more into it /  won't know how or what it means, it removes from the get go the assumption that anything is hidden and it gives the impression that the customer's inquiry is valued by the company even though all that is done is a simple copy paste. Sounds like good ROI 😏

@FeelsBadManI am for anonimity. Show me where I ever spoke out against anonymity? No need to attribute me the nightmares of @pinki. I do not ask for access to the system! I do not claim that Unibet rigged!

You can find all licenses in the user agriments. There you can read what Unibet is only responsible for the transfer of players funds.

 

 

 

 

 


 

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@Argevolen wrote:


@FeelsBadManI am for anonimity. Show me where I ever spoke out against anonymity? No need to attribute me the nightmares of @pinki. I do not ask for access to the system! I do not claim that Unibet rigged!

You can find all licenses in the user agriments. There you can read what Unibet is only responsible for the transfer of players funds.

 



@Argevolen and ? so you dont trust Relax?:happy:  Licenses that interest you (poker, slots etc) are probably on their site. 

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@Argevolen nice one 🤣  maybe better to learn how such generators are tested and checked today. 

You probably think that several regular casino players are able to check the game. Ask Netent or Relax  how they specify RTP for certain games.  How many samples they usually use, in poker the situation is propably similar. 

I think that even Relax would have no problem giving this piece of code and you could test it at home 🤣🤣🤣:Rofl

@pinkiYou cannot even imagine what i think and what i know:Smile:

A piece of code can be a huge problem...

 

 


 

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@Argevolen wrote:


A piece of code can be a huge problem...



@Argevolen  nothing stands in your  way. Set up a company that will issue licenses in your country,  then you will have insight into many things 🆒

I understand that you come from one of the countries of the 'Eastern Bloc', where trust in private business is at a low level of various reasons. I understand it a little bit :happy: 

the times when three programmers created poker room and later they  played with others seeing their cards in admin mode have passed:happy: 

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@Argevolen wrote:


A piece of code can be a huge problem...



@Argevolen  nothing stands in your  way. Set up a company that will issue licenses in your country,  then you will have insight into many things 🆒

I understand that you come from one of the countries of the 'Eastern Bloc', where trust in private business is at a low level of various reasons. I understand it a little bit :happy: 

the times when three programmers created poker room and later they  played with others seeing their cards in admin mode have passed:happy: 


@pinkiI am from Ukraine. In my counry, as in many others, only the goverment has the right to issue licenses.

the times when three programmers created poker room and later they  played with others seeing their cards in admin mode have passedHappy 

And what has changed? Did they find a fourth?

 

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@Argevolen wrote:


@pinki wrote:


@Argevolen wrote:


A piece of code can be a huge problem...



@Argevolen  nothing stands in your  way. Set up a company that will issue licenses in your country,  then you will have insight into many things 🆒

I understand that you come from one of the countries of the 'Eastern Bloc', where trust in private business is at a low level of various reasons. I understand it a little bit :happy: 

the times when three programmers created poker room and later they  played with others seeing their cards in admin mode have passed:happy: 


@pinkiI am from Ukraine. In my counry, as in many others, only the goverment has the right to issue licenses.

the times when three programmers created poker room and later they  played with others seeing their cards in admin mode have passedHappy

And what has changed? Did they find a fourth?


Just as I thought. I'm done :Happyshy:  EOT.

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@Argevolen  i like vide-related comments so i have one for  you :

Now I can see that we've fallen apart ,
From the way that it used to be, yeah, 
No matter the distance, I want you to know
That deep down inside of me
You are my fire
The one desire
You are (you are, you are, you are)
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@prepa222  you are welcome with your 'story' but you should beware how odds looks like (pre-flop):

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Seeing that nothing "special" happen in your case. If you stack-off with just Ax, you should maybe waiting for an aces instead 👍

Furthermore pre-flop raise to 12k seems like blind-steal attempt (you leave no information about precise blinds level) ... if he bet 12k pre-flop are you expecting that he should ever FOLD to your additional 7k raise ? Me not to be honest ...

 


Stacks are similar to the first picture where the blinds are 250. That's a 48 bb open for one third of his stack. That tells everything needed about the player. It's a five euro bounty, not some 250 € FT. He covers the OP, who has double the starting bounty. No math needed; of course he is going to call with everything he considers a good hand to open 48 bbs.

Thinking hackers can hide the bounty and influence the board runout tells that the OP is not the sharpest tool in the box.

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@pinki wrote:

@Argevolen  i like vide-related comments so i have one for  you :

Now I can see that we've fallen apart ,
From the way that it used to be, yeah, 
No matter the distance, I want you to know

That deep down inside of me

You are my fire

The one desire

You are (you are, you are, you are)


 

@pinkiIm sorry. But I already have a girlfriend:Rofl:

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