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I whas play right now 5€ bounty tournament.as u kan see in this tournament unibet boots dont hawe bounty.this player without bounty is a unibet hacked soft to kick all player with ireal cards and haotic play but everytime win.it whas to strange so i hawe recorded all tournament.in the first picture u will see the player right of dont hawe bounty on his head like the others.in the second picture u will see how is raise with 56 12k,im all in with ak and him win like in all cases when he go all in.this is a perfect prouf of unibet hacked platform and ilegal action.if im play bounty whay im unable to see the player bounty to see if worth to pay him or not.unibet is full of bots u dont hawe any chance to win.1865785525_Screenshot_20200108-101146_UnibetPoker.thumb.jpg.b71a8a5443e14009445ff0f53cf85739.jpg

 

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@prepa222  you are welcome with your 'story' but you should beware how odds looks like (pre-flop):

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Seeing that nothing "special" happen in your case. If you stack-off with just Ax, you should maybe waiting for an aces instead 👍

Furthermore pre-flop raise to 12k seems like blind-steal attempt (you leave no information about precise blinds level) ... if he bet 12k pre-flop are you expecting that he should ever FOLD to your additional 7k raise ? Me not to be honest ...

 

To the "missing" display of bounty -> you are free to report it as a BUG but I think that it was already reported by several players here. If you suspect that someone is a BOT just because he play differently than you - you should better play chess instead. Have a nice and successful year 2020 :cash:

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This player hawe a haotic play and everytime win with 72, q3 ,56 ,10 2 ,everytime preflop agains aa,aq,kk, and 77.to by honest your answer is to poor


@prepa222  to be very kind to you -> just try play several HexaPRO and post your story/feeling after that. I would be your very first follower for sure 😏

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@prepa222, the answer by @MadAdo is good, and as he's saying, this is a known bug - sorry you experienced this one!

 

This is not your first post of this kind, so perhaps it's worth considering taking a small break from the game? If you don't enjoy playing or suspect the game is rigged, why put yourself through the pain of playing? You can exclude yourself temporarily or block poker directly on the site.

 

There're several threads on this topic, where it's explained in detail why it simply wouldn't make any sense for us not to do what you're suggesting. The main reasons being: 1. we'd lose our licenses and have to close the business, 2. Poker is just 3 % of the Unibet business.

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This player hawe a haotic play and everytime win with 72, q3 ,56 ,10 2 ,everytime preflop agains aa,aq,kk, and 77.to by honest your answer is to poor


@prepa222  and? Everybody plays as they want, you want everyone to play according to the handbook?

ps. Issue with no-bounty is known. Once I even played with my friend (and many times with community members)from the country and there was no bounty near his avatar. I assure you, he is not a bot 🆒 I remember asking him on Skype, what bounty you have, when he was allin:cash:

ps2. listen to @MadAdo , look at the numbers. The sooner you become resistant to such losses the game will be lighter😏

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@prepa222  there was a case of 1 year in poker, I lost about 100 euros in a couple of hours and for the last 10 euros I registered in 10 bouts and all in every hand with any hand. as a result, I won this tournament and earned more than 150 euros. 90% of the goals were mine. and this is about 40 people. it happens

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So u say is perfect legaly for unibet to continue keep bounty tournament even if this tournament is ilegal from license with this kind of bug(to not show the bounty).I ensure u this is ilegal tournament as an oficial answer from gambling protection.
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@prepa222, there's no regulatory requirement for how the bounty should be shown (or shown at all). That said, it is of course something we want fixed, I agree that it is a bad experience, and I do - and already did - apologize for this. Fortunately, it doesn't happen very often, and when it does, it's usually just for one hand.

You didn't cover the villain in this case, so it hardly makes any difference for the hand in question.

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So u say is perfect legaly for unibet to continue keep bounty tournament even if this tournament is ilegal from license with this kind of bug(to not show the bounty).I ensure u this is ilegal tournament as an oficial answer from gambling protection.


@prepa222  are you so serious ? now illegal issues, earlier bots ... whats next? So hard to lose with AKo in hands against lower suited connectors?:wonder:

here is some nice piece of music for you ❤️ :rockon::peace:

 

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It happens in live tourneys too. Just play some and you will see. Sometimes you feel so lucky that you know you can win every hand, so people risk more. I don't know why but i noticed( not just in Unibet, on many platforms) that luck attracts more luck and misfortune attracts more missfortune. 

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I whas talk about this player dont hawe bounty on his head.


Yes you were ( it's a bug ) but then carried on to imply it's a bot and you have no chance (it's not and you have.) No history of aggression or not beforehand, no idea where we are in the tourney, what the blind levels are, are we in the money etc etc etc. I suggest that you would have called with AK whatever his bounty was. One hand in isolation is not a conspiracy, play a lot more and gather tons of data before anyone will take you seriously.

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@prepa222 wrote:

I whas talk about this player dont hawe bounty on his head.


.... I suggest that you would have called with AK whatever his bounty was. One hand in isolation is not a conspiracy, play a lot more and gather tons of data before anyone will take you seriously.


@GR1ZZL3R  its 100% with the information he provided about this player. He had a smaller stack so it's not about bounty etc  just another complaining AKo/s, AA, KK, QQ holder. As the title indicates, Unibet has more of these tricks.🤣 

@prepa222 recover and keep playing 🆒 There is a person here  who thinks that 60 vs 40 is like 98 vs 2,  baa even loosing with 3% advantage it is bad beat :geek:  

There is a thread related to the missing bounty in the bug section, so look for it and report your case with the spirit of the community.

https://www.unibetcommunity.com/t5/Bug-Reports/Bounty-not-showing-above-avatar-2-3-2/idi-p/77869

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This is my favorite topic If you play on PokerStars...see there bad beats On Unibet is peace of cake! 

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@Stubbe-Unibet wrote:

@prepa222, the answer by @MadAdo is good, and as he's saying, this is a known bug - sorry you experienced this one!

 

This is not your first post of this kind, so perhaps it's worth considering taking a small break from the game? If you don't enjoy playing or suspect the game is rigged, why put yourself through the pain of playing? You can exclude yourself temporarily or block poker directly on the site.

 

There're several threads on this topic, where it's explained in detail why it simply wouldn't make any sense for us not to do what you're suggesting. The main reasons being: 1. we'd lose our licenses and have to close the business, 2. Poker is just 3 % of the Unibet business.


@Stubbe-UnibetNot convincing arguments😏

When should we start worrying? When poker will become 15% of the bussines or 25% ?

When tens of millions are at stack it is worth more powerful  arguments!

Sush as the:

1. RNG Certificate ( "Cigital" or similar)

2. Send  the hand history once a year, 31 of December (all who wants to reсeive it)

In an anonimous room this will not harm recreational players.

I and many regulars will be happy to check their results and publish graphs:happyshy:

3.Provide full information about all inspections by all regulators and auditors.

These actions do not require large expenditures and efforts.

If you work honestly this will be benefit the room.

If you have something to hide, continue to feed players with fairy tales about 3%:geek:

 

 

 

 

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@Argevolen wrote:

@Stubbe-Unibet wrote:

@prepa222, the answer by @MadAdo is good, and as he's saying, this is a known bug - sorry you experienced this one!

 

This is not your first post of this kind, so perhaps it's worth considering taking a small break from the game? If you don't enjoy playing or suspect the game is rigged, why put yourself through the pain of playing? You can exclude yourself temporarily or block poker directly on the site.

 

There're several threads on this topic, where it's explained in detail why it simply wouldn't make any sense for us not to do what you're suggesting. The main reasons being: 1. we'd lose our licenses and have to close the business, 2. Poker is just 3 % of the Unibet business.


@Stubbe-UnibetNot convincing arguments😏

When should we start worrying? When poker will become 15% of the bussines or 25% ?

When tens of millions are at stack it is worth more powerful  arguments!

Sush as the:

1. RNG Certificate ( "Cigital" or similar)

2. Send  the hand history once a year, 31 of December (all who wants to reсeive it)

In an anonimous room this will not harm recreational players.

I and many regulars will be happy to check their results and publish graphs:happyshy:

3.Provide full information about all inspections by all regulators and auditors.

These actions do not require large expenditures and efforts.

If you work honestly this will be benefit the room.

If you have something to hide, continue to feed players with fairy tales about 3%:geek:


Well, the RNG aspect is covered in other threads, as already mentioned. Just use the search function :)

And I have to disagree with you. If you believe the site is rigged, why would you believe in some certification provided by another company you probably don't trust? As I'm sure you know, not everyone changes alias, and some changes it very rarely, so hand histories with aliases is obviously not an option. Anonymized hand histories with only yourself identified is something I'd like to see in the future.

I really do believe common sense is the strongest argument here, and your argumentation/whataboutism with other scenarios doesn't  make sense. Poker has been 2-3 % for many years. If you do believe we'd risk the entire business for a business vertical making up 3 %, when it ultimately doesn't matter for us who wins, as we get the rake anyway (obviously there're advantages of having a good ecology etc.), you probably shouldn't play poker :) Again, it's 3 % of the total business, but the impact of making a "RNG" that favors the worse players is a tiny fraction of that.

I hear what you're saying, I just think it's silly to say that common sense isn't strong enough of an argument :)

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@Stubbe-Unibet wrote:


@Argevolen wrote:


@Stubbe-Unibet wrote:

@prepa222, the answer by @MadAdo is good, and as he's saying, this is a known bug - sorry you experienced this one!

 

This is not your first post of this kind, so perhaps it's worth considering taking a small break from the game? If you don't enjoy playing or suspect the game is rigged, why put yourself through the pain of playing? You can exclude yourself temporarily or block poker directly on the site.

 

There're several threads on this topic, where it's explained in detail why it simply wouldn't make any sense for us not to do what you're suggesting. The main reasons being: 1. we'd lose our licenses and have to close the business, 2. Poker is just 3 % of the Unibet business.


@Stubbe-UnibetNot convincing arguments😏

When should we start worrying? When poker will become 15% of the bussines or 25% ?

When tens of millions are at stack it is worth more powerful  arguments!

Sush as the:

1. RNG Certificate ( "Cigital" or similar)

2. Send  the hand history once a year, 31 of December (all who wants to reсeive it)

In an anonimous room this will not harm recreational players.

I and many regulars will be happy to check their results and publish graphs:happyshy:

3.Provide full information about all inspections by all regulators and auditors.

These actions do not require large expenditures and efforts.

If you work honestly this will be benefit the room.

If you have something to hide, continue to feed players with fairy tales about 3%:geek:

 


Well, the RNG aspect is covered in other threads, as already mentioned. Just use the search function :)

And I have to disagree with you. If you believe the site is rigged, why would you believe in some certification provided by another company you probably don't trust? As I'm sure you know, not everyone changes alias, and some changes it very rarely, so hand histories with aliases is obviously not an option. Anonymized hand histories with only yourself identified is something I'd like to see in the future.

I really do believe common sense is the strongest argument here, and your argumentation/whataboutism with other scenarios doesn't  make sense. Poker has been 2-3 % for many years. If you do believe we'd risk the entire business for a business vertical making up 3 %, when it ultimately doesn't matter for us who wins, as we get the rake anyway (obviously there're advantages of having a good ecology etc.), you probably shouldn't play poker :) Again, it's 3 % of the total business, but the impact of making a "RNG" that favors the worse players is a tiny fraction of that.

I hear what you're saying, I just think it's silly to say that common sense isn't strong enough of an argument :)

 

I wrote that your arguments are unconvincing and based on trust. Online Poker is a multi-million business. Business is not conducted on trust.

It doesnt metter what i or you believe.

Give experts and players the opportunity to check the work of your software (hand history). And everyone will draw conclusions himself.

If you have nothing  to hide, be more open!

Hand history with nicknames is the most powerful tool for analyzing the honesty of room.

Post it with a delay of one year? Maybe two year?

My hand history for 2018 will be very useful for me to analyze my game.

By players to players?:Smile:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

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@Argevolen wrote:

I wrote that your arguments are unconvincing and based on trust. Online Poker is a multi-million business. Business is not conducted on trust.

It doesnt metter what i or you believe.

Give experts and players the opportunity to check the work of your software (hand history). And everyone will draw conclusions himself.

If you have nothing  to hide, be more open!

Hand history with nicknames is the most powerful tool for analyzing the honesty of room.

Post it with a delay of one year? Maybe two year?

My hand history for 2018 will be very useful for me to analyze my game.

By players to players?😃


@Argevolen couple questions:

1. you want to tell me that experts, regular players will be able to 'check' the software after 1-2 years? based on what number of samples?  1k, 10k, 100k, 100000k ?  what other factors you will consider there % casino players in players pool also? how many times you lost with 2-4%? silly so silly.:Happyshy:

2. 'is most powerfull tool' - agree,, thats why Unibet target/actions is quite diffrent then STARS, PP.  Many times have been mentioned. You building  your image on honesty, and you want to use this anonymity against recreational players even more. Arguing it in a more specific way - are you from a family of politicians? :Wonder:  

3. Hands history needs improvement,from what I know you can ask for it once a month.  As @Stubbe-Unibet  said, maybe we will see a better version when Unibet/Relax provide anonymity to players in this history. Don't try to do it with Unibet - stars, pp. ggpoker  because anonymity is the most important factor that distinguishes the game here from other rooms. Do you understand it?

 

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@Argevolen You say business is not conducted on trust, but in reality everything works on trust, currency only has value based on trust, stocks as well, a lack of trust in them devalues them both, any transaction you make, any place you give information to, any purchase you make, it's all based on trust. Of course the more safety features are in place the more trust you can have in someone / something. Like with unibet, the RNG verifications, the licencing authorities, the fact that they operate legally in regulated countries that might do their own verifications, the common sense of they're not that stupid to risk a billion dollar business that actually cares about being in regulated markets, for maybe a few tens of thousands. All that adds to that trust relationship. Nothing will guarantee it 100%.

You haveing hand histories will add very little to that, not only will you have a very tiny sample size to verify compared to regulators that wouldn't have that issue (which again, you have to trust that every regulator isn't in cahoots with unibet or that they're actually doing their job), but also, people are very bad at spotting the nefarious stuff that's going on. Some sites have published their stats when it comes to banning people, and in general, the amount of bans that resulted out of people observing stuff out of the ordinary and reporting it, vs their own internal detection systems was sub 2%, and a lot of that 2% probably would have been detected anyway at some point. People just don't have the sample sizes and the attention to make a significant impact when compared to computer based checks. 

 

That being said, I too want hand histories, for my own personal use, and I'm looking forward to it becoming a thing on unibet, at some point, hopefully. 😀

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@pinki wrote:

@Argevolen wrote:

I wrote that your arguments are unconvincing and based on trust. Online Poker is a multi-million business. Business is not conducted on trust.

It doesnt metter what i or you believe.

Give experts and players the opportunity to check the work of your software (hand history). And everyone will draw conclusions himself.

If you have nothing  to hide, be more open!

Hand history with nicknames is the most powerful tool for analyzing the honesty of room.

Post it with a delay of one year? Maybe two year?

My hand history for 2018 will be very useful for me to analyze my game.

By players to players?😃


@Argevolen couple questions:

1. you want to tell me that experts, regular players will be able to 'check' the software after 1-2 years? based on what number of samples?  1k, 10k, 100k, 100000k ?  what other factors you will consider there % casino players in players pool also? how many times you lost with 2-4%? silly so silly.:Happyshy:

2. 'is most powerfull tool' - agree,, thats why Unibet target/actions is quite diffrent then STARS, PP.  Many times have been mentioned. You building  your image on honesty, and you want to use this anonymity against recreational players even more. Arguing it in a more specific way - are you from a family of politicians? :Wonder:  

3. Hands history needs improvement,from what I know you can ask for it once a month.  As @Stubbe-Unibet  said, maybe we will see a better version when Unibet/Relax provide anonymity to players in this history. Don't try to do it with Unibet - stars, pp. ggpoker  because anonymity is the most important factor that distinguishes the game here from other rooms. Do you understand it?

@pinki couple of answers:

1. Yes, they can! The time factor does not metter here. 30-40kk hands from 30-40 regulars allowable sampling for premilinary conclusions. There are many methods of analysis. The main thing to know where to look....

2. Old statistics without HUD in anonymous room - its just a tool for working on your game! (the expections is the high limits) Any player who uses HM and similar will confirm it to you.

3. No one encroaches on your anonymity:Rofl: Anonymous hand history is a great option!


 

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