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There are some rumors that the payout rate for the machines is about 96% across most online casinos.

1.Lets say slotmachines cost $10.000 monthly to rent.(I`m not sure if this per machine or the casino pays this for multiple machines of the same brand).
2.Then the casino and the software partner takes a cut monthly % on top of that.
3.If then there is a tournament/special price, there is cut taken from the most popular machines.
4.The more shady stuff would be if a machine does well and a dividend is payed to the casino (This is just speculation)

To win big on big bets there must be some conitions met.
1.The slotmachines needs to be popular or have a large amount of money in them.
    You can check which country the site has licenses to. UK, France, Germany, ect. look for countries that has large populations.
    The next question would be if the site is advertised in those countries.
2.If money is constantly taken out to pay tournaments and prices this can be the reason you get deadspins on bonus trigger.
   But also it could be the machine isnt popular.

Be careful not to bet big on sites that don`t have resources for big bets:
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@Uv, you can see the payout percentage for each game by simply opening the game and checking the rules Smile
The RTP for most games will indeed by 96-97 %, but there're also games with 98 % and I also believe there're some that might come close to just 90 % as well.

None of the factors you mention have anything to do with the games RTP. The games RTP is not impacted by any provider fees/tournaments/promotions etc. etc. The RTP is strictly how much the specific game pays back to the player.

Online slots don't "need to be popular or have large amount of money in them", in order for you to win big. With progressive jackpots this is somewhat true, as the jackpot will increase until the moment it's triggered - you'll always have the jackpot amount visible in the game.

@Fredrik-Unibet feel free to elaborate on this Smile
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Well that kind of depends on site and if there is jackpot included. Normal moon p rtp is 96.5

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To bet or not to bet, that is the question.
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@Livertool, yes, the RTP is not identical for all games across providers, hence I advised to always check the rules for the specific game Smile
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@Stubbe-Unibet wrote:
@Livertool, yes, the RTP is not identical for all games across providers, hence I advised to always check the rules for the specific game Smile

Yup. Just thought that i mention that if slot has jp, it can lower rtp Smile But who cares about trp anyway. It is either give give or sucky sucky, depends on day and how do you tickle the slot Laugh

To bet or not to bet, that is the question.
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@Uv @Livertool @Stubbe-Unibet 

Hi all,

There is a lot to write about RTP and the chance of winning and let me share my two cents. I would like to start by saying that Stubbe is accurate when he says that campaigns, promotions, free spins (etc) do NOT affect the RTP. In short; a game's RTP depends on the mathematics of the game outlined in the PAR sheet (Probability Account Report, read more here) which simplified describes the win amounts and the probability of the combinations. When a game has been developed, the supplier simulates a number of million game rounds and gets the RTP number. If the supplier is happy with the outcome, the game is sent for certification (independent certification agency approved by the regulator). If the game passes certification, a certification document is issued and sent to the operators (i.e. Unibet). Once we have recieved the documentation, tested the game, we are free to enable it on site.

Hence, once a game is certified there's no chance modifying the RTP without a re-certification. But, you should also keep in mind that certain suppliers certify several versions of the same game but with different RTP. At Unibet, we always go for the higher RTP as we believe it is a long term and honest approach.

The RTP number depicts the long term average payback from the game. Another factor affecting how you experience the game is the volatility. If the volatility in a game is high, you will experience less wins but of bigger value. If the volatility is low, more frequent wins of lower value. Volatility is trickier since it is not often mentioned in the game rules.

Since we believe that our players shall have all relevant info when chosing a game we have mapped out RTP and voloatilty for the games we offer. This information is currently only displayed on mobile and will go live on desktop soon. Besides Unibet, we also operate a number of other sites and I have added two examples below showing how RTP and volatilty is displayed.

Example 1: In this example you can see that that Book of Dead from PnG has an RTP of 96.21% and the volatility is very high.

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Example 2: In this example (MariaCasino) you can see that Narcos from NetEnt has an RTP of 96.23% and the volability is low-medium. The game information is displayed when you hover the mouse over the game tile.

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There are a number of websites out there that have catalogued information about games, such as RTP, and if you want to have a second look you can for instance have a look at SlotCatalog.com (affilite site).

Finally,
1) In jackpot games, a part of the RTP is used to build up the jackpot - hence the base game RTP is lower (for instance 93% + 3.5% to jackpot). So, you will experience lower RTP on average but have a chance of winning bigger.

2) In collection games (ex. fill up a meeter and trigger a certain feature), part of the RTP is used towards that with the effect that the base game RTP drops a bit.

I hope the above makes sense and that you feel you can trust but the operators and suppliers. If you are interested in learning more I can recommend NetEnt's Youtube series on how a slot is made (Dead or Alive 2). In episode one the cover the math aspects and in episode 4 the certification process. Find the first episode here.

Cheers, Fredrik

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I might worded my point wrong but my idea is that it is far bigger chance to win $2.000 on a slot with $1.000.000 in it.
Then there is to win $2.000 on a machine that only has $2.000 in it.
When you increase your bet you actually decrease your chance on winning depending on how much money is left in the machine.
This means that different casinos have a different maxbet cap rate of whats possible to win.

A good example of this was another casino i played on where i got around x250 win (bet 2€) on book of dead bonus trigger twice.
The next day they had mystery prices given to players, this time i only got x30 win.
So basicly if too much money is tanken out of the machine to pay those prices there is a less chance on winning big.
I am not anti online casinos but people should know whats going on behind the scenes and if it was my casino i would simply have the payout rate @ 100% and make people pay a subscription fee monthly. No money out to pay tournaments, no money out to pay mystery prices, no money ever leaves the machine ever.

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You need to stop thinking of the slot as a physical thing.

There is no money in it as it doesn't exist in any kind of capacity that can hold anything.

Online slots are just mathematical equations.

Jackpot slots are the same but part of that equation gets put to the side and solved later.

 

 

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Thanks for that explanation.
I liek the way you pass off a conclusion, uninformed and based on your experience, as a heads up insight into what goes on behind the scenes....
Thanks for the enlightenment.

If you want to learn how the games work, look it upon the internet, there is plenty of information there.
You can generally dismiss any article where there is a lot of I, I think, I know, I have seen, I will tell you, I will show you, I, I, I... All weak minded
intuition.

The people who make the games, the maths, the laws, the licenses; they are not high paid powerful jobs, the people making these games are, for the most part, just doing a job, they don't have any kind of unflappable loyalty to their employers and most hate their job as much as any other. They would quite happily expose the corruption behind the slots if it existed.

I've worked in the industry for 20 years. Every day I get some moron coming up to me to to get the truth about the magnets.... "you can tell me, I know already... I won't tell anyone, wink wink"
Thing is, even if I'm annoyed and confirm their suspicions to amuse myself, they just carry betting anyway.
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@Uv wrote:

I might worded my point wrong but my idea is that it is far bigger chance to win $2.000 on a slot with $1.000.000 in it.
Then there is to win $2.000 on a machine that only has $2.000 in it.
When you increase your bet you actually decrease your chance on winning depending on how much money is left in the machine.
This means that different casinos have a different maxbet cap rate of whats possible to win.

A good example of this was another casino i played on where i got around x250 win (bet 2€) on book of dead bonus trigger twice.
The next day they had mystery prices given to players, this time i only got x30 win.
So basicly if too much money is tanken out of the machine to pay those prices there is a less chance on winning big.
I am not anti online casinos but people should know whats going on behind the scenes and if it was my casino i would simply have the payout rate @ 100% and make people pay a subscription fee monthly. No money out to pay tournaments, no money out to pay mystery prices, no money ever leaves the machine ever.


@Uv, none of this is true either. The games don't have that sort of memory or balance as you think. Unless we're talking progressive jackpot games, there's never more or less money in the game at any point Smile

Curious to hear where you get this information from Smile

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