Slots daily cash tournaments exploited.

[Dirtystack]

New to this site and like it a lot.

The tournaments are very appealing to me because of the value they add to normal slot play.

I notice that the daily $500 one is usually won by the same 3 or 4 people.

Unibet needs to look into this because I believe it is been exploited. There are many ways to do this such as loading up the bonuses at a high value then triggering them once the tournament starts at the minimum qualifying value. 

The people winning are the same people over and over and they are winning consistantly wth what equates to payouts in the region of 2500x

Its not possible for these people to be hitting a 2500x payout consistently like this:

I just got a nice 500x payout in Diamond mine and went to the top of the most recent tournament, pretty good you might think but I expected the initials either T.R or K.M to soon knock me off top spot.

That has happened with another 2500x win for them.

 

[Dirtystack]

Example

Vikings Go Geserk/Hell:

Load up the rage bars at a high value then trigger them at the minimum qualifying bet = wins from the bonus round paid  at the value of the bets made that filled the bar.

 

Gemix, Viking Runecraft, Candy  similar games that have a fillable bonus that is rewarded upon leveling up:

Play the base game heavy to fill the level up reward at a high value, stop when you are near leveling up, enter tournament, play at minimum qualifying stake and upon leveling up collect a completly dispropotionate payout.

[Messwithme]

Indeed,it makes sense @Dirtystack.

 

I was also suspicious about theese tournaments.

[Livertool]

Good plan :) ......except no. You honestly want to play those vikings go...... with high bets so you can MAYBE do good in some competition. Those are so volatile slots that you will probly end up losing way more that is in price money in competition (depends ofc what competition)

So good luck with your master plan :) Please prove me wrong 😏

[Dirtystack]

Its not my plan, I'm trying to point out what a few people might already be doing.

 

I've learnt the hard way about the Yggdrasil slots and I just flat out refuse to pay them.

There is  reason a lot of sites bar these games where you can load up bonus at a high value and trigger hem at a low value from been elegible to clear wagering requirements - Load up the games free rounds with bonus money until you have lost your bonus and then come back at a later date and trigger it with pennies. I've done it before though inadvertandly, put my last pennies into vikings go beserk playing £0.04 per spin, triggered a rage bonus then noticed during the free spins that the coin value was £0.46464646363 ( something thereabouts)

I'm not advocating any of this, just hoping that Unibet will look into the games they have elegible for the tournaments.

 

[Rushbie]

People also might be playing those slots a lot anyway with high bets, so why not to exploit the potential "rakeback" if it's legal to do.. 😏 
Sure there's the option to exploit it like you said, but is it really that worth it? Those games most likely suck a ton of chips before you can gain any actual benefits playing tournys that way.
May be kinda similar fallacy that comes, when people wonder why the same players always are on the top of highest paid list continuosly at normal games. It's because some players play with bets, that every single win just beats the crap out the max win that common players can even win from the very same games :laugh:
Not saying it's all pure tho, got my own doubts sometimes too.. :wonder:

[Dirtystack]

The bets in these tournaments are equalised

 

It doesnt matter if you are playing 20p or £1000 per spin

[Dirtystack]

It doesnt go by the value of the bet, what determines your points is the multiplier.

 

if you bet 0.20 and win 20.00 thats a 100x multiplier

if you bet 10.00 and win 1000.00 thats a 100x multiplier

both in this case would have the same score

[Livertool]

Yep, just saying that you take gamble with it that you will lose much more that therr are prices up to grab

[Dirtystack]

You are wrong though.

Take Gemix for example, 

 

I'll do a free play simulation. 

 

Give me 10 mins or so

 

 

[Livertool]

10 minutes up, don't get the result you eant to ?😛

[Dirtystack]

Ok just for demonstration

Gemix RTP +-96%

played freeplay £5 per spin

60 spins to get close to world level up

£300 wagered with expected rtp of £288

Losing £12 at this point on average.

I feel I was lucky so lets just say I lost %20 of my buyin and I am at 250*0.20=50 250-50=200

I'm at £200

World level up bonus is at £29.76

Tournament starts, I start playing £0.10 per spin, trigger the world level up bonus and collect £29.76

that would give me a tournament score of 29760

Its not enough to cash, but take this example and increase the bet amount you play when loading the bonus by 10

After the play, if you are consistently unlucky you will on average be losing 50*10= £500 by the time you get near the world level up.

The world bonus would be 29.76*10=£297.60

tournament starts, you start playing £0.10

World levels up and you collect £297.60

Which would equate to 297600 points

You win the tournament and collect £500

So you are even if I make the game have a RTP of 80% + the world bonus which is around 8%

the game is actually 96+% so if you do this every time there is a tournament you will win a lot of money overall

 

[Dirtystack]

Apologies if that is incomprehensible to you Livertool.

[Livertool]

Ok, get back to you when i get to my computer... 

[Dirtystack]

Well, the most recent cash race slot tournament was won by the same guy with a score of 8100000

That means he got a payout of 8100x his stake.

 

 

[Dirtystack]

810 000

8100x his stake

Apologies, had an extra 0 in the origional post.

[RayL]

Hi @Dirtystack, thanks for your feedback so far. We have contacted our Casino department regarding this possible abuse and would like to inquire a bit more in detail about this. To be more specific, what tournament was this exactly? Let us know and we'll be sure to pass it along to the relevant people.

Thanks again :)

 

/Ray

[Dirtystack]

Hi.

Its the £2000 prize pool cash tournament that happens every other day during the week.

There is one Tuesday 10/07/2018from 11:00 to 14:30

Wednesday 11/07/2018 

one on saturday the 14th.

 

I cant tell you exactly what day and what time the previous ones were because the ability to see past tournaments has sunddenly dissappeared.

 

Having said that I have been monitoring them and taking screenshots so I have a few dates.

 

Cash Tournament -2nd July

Started 02/07/2018 11:00

Ended 02/07/2018 14:29

Won by Culprit 1 a 3240x payout 

Cuplrit 2 came 2nd

 

Cash Tournament -3rd July

Started 03/07/2018 11:00

Ended 03/07/2018 14:29

Won by the same Culprit 1 with a 1620x payout

Culprit 2 came 3rd

 

 

Cash Tournament - 6th July

Started 06/07/2018 11:00

Ended 06/07/2018 14:29

Culprit 2 wins with a 2404x payout

Culprit 1 didnt play.

 

You need to look at all the £2000 tournaments you have, the scheduled ones.

You also need to look at the £500 free bet tournaments.

 

[Dirtystack]

I don't know which game they are playing that allows them to load money they are guaranteed to get back once triggered with a  smaller stake thus increaseing their multiplier to rediculous amounts.

The most recent tounrament 8100x lol

Anyway

I will find it once my working week has finished and I have time to go through the 505 games available for the tournament.

[Dirtystack]

Maybe I am wrong, who knows but I have a good feel for when something is amiss.

 

 It is actually my job to ensure that everything is running as it should and after years in this role one can almost sense when something is wrong.

I'm also licensed by the UK Gambling Comission.

[JeppeL]

In any case @Dirtystack, we really appreciate you bringing this up and we've forwarded it to the Casino team for them to look into the possible cheating.

/Jeppe

[Dirtystack]

Think I've identified the game.

Will keep it to myself for now and if things are not adjusted you'll be seeing me winning a lot in the future lol

Will Private message it to Jeppe.

 

[Dirtystack]

Can see the previous rournaments again.

 

Cash Tournament - 7th July

Started 07/07/2018 11:00

Ended 07/07/2018 14:29

Culprit 1 wins with score of 810000

which equates to 8100x his stake lol

This guy.....

 

[Livertool]

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@Dirtystack wrote:

Apologies if that is incomprehensible to you Livertool.

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No at all. I forgot to get back to you with pics of actual rtps. I think you give too much trust in those. Got over thousand spins for example in slots with rtp should be 96 but actually is 23 in my case. So you do the math with that rtp how much it pays of to load bonuses if grand price is 500.

But now that you shown that winners are the same so i guess they do lots of slots and there for might get lots of deposit bonused and with those it might be more profitable.

Anyways, worth to investigate if there is some abuse. But if they are just loading slots with their own money, i think that is just what casinos want and wouldn't wonder if nothing would be done about it 😃

[pittpitt]

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@Livertool wrote:

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@Dirtystack wrote:

Apologies if that is incomprehensible to you Livertool.

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No at all. I forgot to get back to you with pics of actual rtps. I think you give too much trust in those. Got over thousand spins for example in slots with rtp should be 96 but actually is 23 in my case. So you do the math with that rtp how much it pays of to load bonuses if grand price is 500.

But now that you shown that winners are the same so i guess they do lots of slots and there for might get lots of deposit bonused and with those it might be more profitable.

Anyways, worth to investigate if there is some abuse. But if they are just loading slots with their own money, i think that is just what casinos want and wouldn't wonder if nothing would be done about it 😃

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You always find a way to make me want to :puking::cash: