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I agree. If you don't have any on your account cash is always better (more opportunity to increase) as a ticket which could be grant €0.32 as next possible payout at €4 UO qualifier which is ridiculous for a freeroll+2*MTT combination struggle.

Well @pinki, played almost 350 freerolls (Omaha's not included), went on tickets but earned less than €8(what also donked on those qualifiers without success) in total, which you can earn if you go allin at €1 in the right time 3 times. It's very frustrating, when you see 3* used €4UO tickets+6*€1 UO tickets on your account but your bankroll didn't grow with a cent and earned 120 points, which is, when you left the beginning of the loyalty three, almost nothing. That means I doubt if you are not a specialist of qualifers it's better going for ticket. Cash is always cash and can use all of Unibet products (for example bets for freebet offers). So I understand Merenitsu's point of view.

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@Merenitsu  ofcourse with 0 balance cash is fine :) But still  your thinking was : usless.  I dont agree with that  this is much much better then  prev.  freerollos if you  get some tickets. Only patience and patience. You have many chances during the week to get lower ones  without play:)

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I think Unibet should take a long look at these sorry ass people playing to lose on the cash bubble during the UO qualifiers. :laugh: I'm sometimes playing the latest UO 1 qualfier for fun to close out the day and a few days ago all bubbles burst because three guys were going all in with 72, 58 and J7 in order to lose on purpose for a 1.20 Euro cash prize. Low life degenerates! :laugh:

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I think Unibet should take a long look at these sorry ass people playing to lose on the cash bubble during the UO qualifiers. :laugh: I'm sometimes playing the latest UO 1 qualfier for fun to close out the day and a few days ago all bubbles burst because three guys were going all in with 72, 58 and J7 in order to lose on purpose for a 1.20 Euro cash prize. Low life degenerates! :laugh:


I don't get why is this problem for you. They got what they want-cash and you what you are looking at-ticket. Win-win situation.

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I think Unibet should take a long look at these sorry ass people playing to lose on the cash bubble during the UO qualifiers. :laugh: I'm sometimes playing the latest UO 1 qualfier for fun to close out the day and a few days ago all bubbles burst because three guys were going all in with 72, 58 and J7 in order to lose on purpose for a 1.20 Euro cash prize. Low life degenerates! :laugh:


@WuDu  but many times is very fast to get  wanted ticket when you have multi-allin with cash + 3x4UO and few 25€:) without  stress:)

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I think Unibet should take a long look at these sorry ass people playing to lose on the cash bubble during the UO qualifiers. :laugh: I'm sometimes playing the latest UO 1 qualfier for fun to close out the day and a few days ago all bubbles burst because three guys were going all in with 72, 58 and J7 in order to lose on purpose for a 1.20 Euro cash prize. Low life degenerates! :laugh:


There is much more value in that 1.2€ if you are not willing to grind those uos. I have many times turned 1€ to four digits but never have i won package via satelites 😉

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@WuDu wrote:

I think Unibet should take a long look at these sorry ass people playing to lose on the cash bubble during the UO qualifiers. :laugh: I'm sometimes playing the latest UO 1 qualfier for fun to close out the day and a few days ago all bubbles burst because three guys were going all in with 72, 58 and J7 in order to lose on purpose for a 1.20 Euro cash prize. Low life degenerates! :laugh:


There is much more value in that 1.2€ if you are not willing to grind those uos. I have many times turned 1€ to four digits but never have i won package via satelites 😉


@Livertool   and you have another games for few cents when you can get some another chances for more cash.  For me personally this is better then prev freerolls, ofcourseifyou have some decent base of tickets :)

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@WuDu  but many times is very fast to get  wanted ticket when you have multi-allin with cash + 3x4UO and few 25€:) without  stress:)


How do you earn that €25 ticket so fast? I played 10 times, but none of them lasts less than 90 minutes and never got the ticket.


@psrquack  now i have 8left 4€UO :/  Three mistakes on the bubble  today and yesterday. I confused satellite with freeroll, I have to stop playing freerolls :) But still for me way 2-10-50  is more important, 4-25 is not bad. also.  

I played the last days too loosely. now i must focus especially on 4->25 route ;)

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@WuDu @psrquack  @Merenitsu  if i have chance to get 25€  from 4€UO. never the rest was my goal, even with 0 balance.  Only the game is calmer when you really don't have enough chips/ 1-2BB  or  smth. 


That's also a legit attitude, and I would prefer playing like this, but current structure (no other opportunity making cash from freerolls) makes the other way also desirable.

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@WuDu wrote:

I think Unibet should take a long look at these sorry ass people playing to lose on the cash bubble during the UO qualifiers. :laugh: I'm sometimes playing the latest UO 1 qualfier for fun to close out the day and a few days ago all bubbles burst because three guys were going all in with 72, 58 and J7 in order to lose on purpose for a 1.20 Euro cash prize. Low life degenerates! :laugh:


I don't get why is this problem for you. They got what they want-cash and you what you are looking at-ticket. Win-win situation.


 

Integrity of the game, my friend! People like that are more likely to get involved in other shenanigans as well (excessive stalling, going all-in with the first hand during overlays etc).

But like you said, I didn't lose anything, but let's be honest people who rely on these moves, don't get anywhere with their 1.20 Euro...:laugh:

It would be much smarter to build up a UO bankroll, trying to use that 4 Euro tikiet to exchange back to the 1s or get into the 2/10 Euro tree.

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Integrity of the game, my friend! People like that are more likely to get involved in other shenanigans as well (excessive stalling, going all-in with the first hand during overlays etc).

But like you said, I didn't lose anything, but let's be honest people who rely on these moves, don't get anywhere with their 1.20 Euro...:laugh:

It would be much smarter to build up a UO bankroll, trying to use that 4 Euro tikiet to exchange back to the 1s or get into the 2/10 Euro tree.


Thanks for your answer.

1, I don't like mixing people who went all for money in 1 or 2 hands during a whole tourney and playing normal poker in the rest of hands with cheaters. Unfortunately after the stop of bounty freerolls this is the best way earning something from them.

2,  I also disagree. Please read Livertool's comment here "I have many times turned 1€ to four digits but never have i won package via satelites" Please also don't forget the range could be from €0.10-to €3.90 in this satties, so risking a very bounded €4 MTT ticket (can be used by UO's only) winning almost the same value in cash seems a +EV move for me. Please also don't forget many of those guys come from freerolls. They also grinded 90 minutes+60 or +90 minutes for being able to convert their position to cash and many of them would prefer other game forms (for example low buyin MTT's-like the nano) rather then a qualifier game. Please also consider €1,20 is 12 shot for the cheapest MTT and €4ticket is 4 only (when you make an exchange).

3, I also disagree. Why would it be smarter building a house of cards from tickets instead of exchange them to real money? If there is any UO promotion you can't be a part of it due to the lack of BR. For example you have 100 in UO tickets. Can you clean the requirements of the Omaha week? No. If you have that 100 in cash then you can do it.

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@Merenitsu @psrquack @pinki @Livertool  If you have a go at the UK or UO qualifiers they really do teach you to be patient, something that can be transferred to other games, and while you build up a stack of tickets you're also building your bonus points up. These can be used to buy cash tickets as @psrquack suggested to me, or mtt or sng tickets, and of course the higher up the satellite tree you go the faster you will accumulate points, and the bigger those little bits of cash are. As @WuDu says there are a lot of silly actions but the trick is not to let it bother you, if you're going for the ticket let them get on with it, if you want the cash residue join in the fun. Of course my aim is to win a final qualifier, the bonus with that is the expenses given as well, get 4 event tickets and you've got €1,000, wether intending to play or not.  I'm sure there will be a few doing this. I don't think it's as hard as some people make out, I know I haven't done it yet but plenty have. The more I play the more chances I will have, it's a long term project. 

I originally spent around €40 and now have over €300 worth of tickets after 11 weeks, and I am very much a part timer, if I play over 6 tourneys a day that's a lot for me. Imagine what sort of stack a serious full timer could build up playing most or all the available tourneys, how many BP's you could get, some cash residues, buy cash and mtt tickets and generally build a br from a very low base. I'd love to hear comments from players that have done this, I'm guessing you @WuDu have this in your arsenal. :wonder:

The qualifiers don't suit everyone's temperament, they can play a bit like a freeroll early and settle into a real nitfest later, basically because they're a flat payout and it's not necessary to "win," but I like them, and with the help of the exchangers am sure I and many others could go on playing them indefinitely without depleting our br. 👍 

 

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That was a nice post @GR1ZZL3R , and I really appreciate your efforts and it seems you are doing your job better than me (maybe I play too much freerolls my moves aren't qualifier interchangeable), but the breaking point was to me when I have had €20 in tickets but couldn't made a qualifier bet of €5 for a very good promotion because my real money was €0. That was my lession about the estiminated value what is never equal to fast usable cash.

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@psrquack 

How 1,20 Euro in cash is more valuable than 4 Euro in UO tikiets is something you have to explain a little further. Especially given how soft the UO1s are.

@Livertool 

I play(ed) these qualifiers for fun, but let me tell you, since I was a regular at the UO50s, before Unibet messed up the whole system, I won a little bit more than 1.20 Euro in cash prizes only at the UO50s and UO10s. :laugh: Without losing on purpose...


@GR1ZZL3R wrote:

@Merenitsu @psrquack @pinki @Livertool  If you have a go at the UK or UO qualifiers they really do teach you to be patient, something that can be transferred to other games, and while you build up a stack of tickets you're also building your bonus points up. These can be used to buy cash tickets as @psrquack suggested to me, or mtt or sng tickets, and of course the higher up the satellite tree you go the faster you will accumulate points, and the bigger those little bits of cash are. As @WuDu says there are a lot of silly actions but the trick is not to let it bother you, if you're going for the ticket let them get on with it, if you want the cash residue join in the fun. Of course my aim is to win a final qualifier, the bonus with that is the expenses given as well, get 4 event tickets and you've got €1,000, wether intending to play or not.  I'm sure there will be a few doing this. I don't think it's as hard as some people make out, I know I haven't done it yet but plenty have. The more I play the more chances I will have, it's a long term project. 

I originally spent around €40 and now have over €300 worth of tickets after 11 weeks, and I am very much a part timer, if I play over 6 tourneys a day that's a lot for me. Imagine what sort of stack a serious full timer could build up playing most or all the available tourneys, how many BP's you could get, some cash residues, buy cash and mtt tickets and generally build a br from a very low base. I'd love to hear comments from players that have done this, I'm guessing you @WuDu have this in your arsenal. :wonder:


 

Finally someone gets it. If you have no bankroll at all and a lot of free time, you can basically grind every UO1, UO2, UO10 and, if you like it, UO4 the schedule offers. I "grinded"a free UO4 tikiet up to 25*UO50 "playing for fun" without taking any shots and without playing at the lower levels. If you play these lower level games, your bankroll will grow automatically though and during the UO50s and UO250s, it's practically a numbers game.

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@Livertool 

I play(ed) these qualifiers for fun, but let me tell you, since I was a regular at the UO50s, before Unibet messed up the whole system, I won a little bit more than 1.20 Euro in cash prizes only at the UO50s and UO10s. :laugh: Without losing on purpose...


automatically though and during the UO50s and UO250s, it's practically a numbers game.

Yeah, i know and then it made much more sense to keep grinding for many.

But you started by saying that unibet should do something those that are just trying to cash in that 1.2€ so to me there is kind of dilemma 😏

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How 1,20 Euro in cash is more valuable than 4 Euro in UO tikiets is something you have to explain a little further. Especially given how soft the UO1s are.

Still forget cash prize could be up to €3.90, but let's compare €4UO ticket to €1.20 cash.

€4UO ticket means:  4*€1 UO shots

1.20 cash means:

12*€0.10 Step it up qualifier

12*€20 Titan Nano buyin

120*Davitsche/Ian Simpson centroll (pays out UO tickets too)

120*Cardschat centroll (pays out UO tickets)

12*€250 Jackpot freeroll with €0.2 buyin ( with maximum starting chips)

24*UK tour flip

12*€0.10 bet

 



 

Finally someone gets it. If you have no bankroll at all and a lot of free time, you can basically grind every UO1, UO2, UO10 and, if you like it, UO4 the schedule offers. I "grinded"a free UO4 tikiet up to 25*UO50 "playing for fun" without taking any shots and without playing at the lower levels. If you play these lower level games, your bankroll will grow automatically though and during the UO50s and UO250s, it's practically a numbers game.


You were lucky enough winning at least your buyin back within the first 4 shots what the key was to your success. Currently there are much more players on UO's thanks to freeroll tickets and variance is much higher.

When someone has much time could grove up the bankroll using all the promos of the site(especially the freebet offers) is more profitable then just grinding the UO's. It may be an exception, if you are very good satellite player.

 

 

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@psrquack 

How 1,20 Euro in cash is more valuable than 4 Euro in UO tikiets is something you have to explain a little further. Especially given how soft the UO1s are.

Still forget cash prize could be up to €3.90, but let's compare €4UO ticket to €1.20 cash.

€4UO ticket means:  4*€1 UO shots

1.20 cash means:

12*€0.10 Step it up qualifier

12*€20 Titan Nano buyin

120*Davitsche/Ian Simpson centroll (pays out UO tickets too)

120*Cardschat centroll (pays out UO tickets)

12*€250 Jackpot freeroll with €0.2 buyin ( with maximum starting chips)

24*UK tour flip

12*€0.10 bet

 




You were lucky enough winning at least your buyin back within the first 4 shots what the key was to your success. Currently there are much more players on UO's thanks to freeroll tickets and variance is much higher.

When someone has much time could grove up the bankroll using all the promos of the site(especially the freebet offers) is more profitable then just grinding the UO's. It may be an exception, if you are very good satellite player.


 

:Laugh: Life's too short to waste your time on these games playing hours over hours for freaking cents! If you start in poker, ok! If you want to test the software first, OK! If you want to control your gambooooling urges that way, OK! But every grown man that's a poker veteran should take a loooooong look in the mirror, if he's playing these nano games. Also, MTTs have much higher variance than the UO1s...

"You were lucky enough winning"

Yeah, it was all about luck! Winning usually helps if you want to build up a bankroll...

 

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Yeah, it was all about luck! Winning usually helps if you want to build up a bankroll...


Sorry, but it was all about luck. You must finish ITM or win a ticket within your first 4 try or you bust. That's against BR management/long term concept/diligent play. That's gamble, and you need luck to find yourself on the sunny side.

To other: I don't know why you have bigger balls grinding €1 buyin tourneys with €20-€30 pp or playing one that have €100- €250 in pp, but I'm sure you have good arguments to clear it.

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1.2€ means also closing poker and moving to betting. A lot easier and faster way to make something out of it :D


I always forget about it :) I haven't really bet much for over a year, and that was the main reason I came here :) 

I will play on Saturday :, my luck in  poker during weekend was always on lower level :)

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:laugh: Life's too short to waste your time on these games playing hours over hours for freaking cents! If you start in poker, ok! If you want to test the software first, OK! If you want to control your gambooooling urges that way, OK! But every grown man that's a poker veteran should take a loooooong look in the mirror, if he's playing these nano games. Also, MTTs have much higher variance than the UO1s...


@WuDu or learn to do many things at once(watching film, usual reading, YT, even work) , it's like watching movies with subtitles, just a quick look - click allin ->  Freeroll style  etc. I proposed such a solution once @Merenitsu + 1-2 monitors-> then the time wasting effect decreases. 

You can learn playing with many tables at these stakes. 

but as I said before, if you build a solid base for 4 and 25 € -> then you can  have many many 1UOs -> then sometimes you can play with cash-rest style(2-3.9€) if you're  in the money anyway. But still in higher levels we have more money in our range. but I think UO tickets are underestimated because people don't see a wider perspective -> if you enter in new quarter with ie.30x 2UOs and 16x4UOs, 24x1UO. ->with higher level is much much better - especially for  nanoplayers/micro. You really play freerolls just for fun and selectively in that scenario.

like @GR1ZZL3R  said:  patience patience and long term goal, Is not easy to build a solid base 50€UOs or 25€UOs, and have maximized lower levels:)

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