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@mathew1982 

Thanks for the feedback mate. Been a busy week and I've only just managed to read it properly but I appreciate you taking the time to write it. I certainly recognise your name from the tables! I completely agree with you too. I don't know much about the player but weak players would tend not to think about holding a 2 or 4 and being ahead. From experience they just see a shove and think that player 'must have something good' but it was a risk not worth taking. I felt I could fold out K high which I think was a big part of the range. But the K high range was wider than expected to include K7. Like I said I think it was a desperation move on my part and one that I've no doubt I will do again but its cool. Live and learn. 

 

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Wow has it really been 4 weeks since a profit update.. Feels like I havent played much in that time. Thats got to change, though. I have to ramp up and get some volume in and try and save this year of poker which in my opinion has been a pretty bad one.

Tournaments played: 1610 (845 sats) 

ITM: 445 / 27.64%

Total buyin: €7626.60

Total Cashes: €10114.56

UNIBET Tournament Profit: +€2539.96

ROI: 33.30%

Tournament wins: 14

1x Nano Bounty - 85 Runners

1x Galaxy Nano - 90 Runners

1x Calypso - 33 Runners

1x 1k Dark Matter - 103 Runners

3x Singularity - 87 / 128 / 37 Runners

1x 1k Moonwalk - 119 Runners

1x Deep Crazy Moon - 38 Runners

1x Zenith - 73 Runners

1x PLO Shooting Star - 93 Runners

1x Shooting Star - 63 Runners

2x Community Game (€25), (€1)

 Hexapro

1: Played 403 won 157= +€87.5

2: Played 721 won 255 = +2

5: Played 355 won 149 = +315

10: Played 4 won 1 = -€25

25: Played 1 = -€25

50: Played 2 won 1 = -€25

Hexapro Profit: +€329.5

Cash

4NLH: 37 buyins -10.53 profit

4PLO: 40 buyins +43.29 profit

10NLH: 19 Buyins +4.45 profit

10PLO: 65 Buyins +96.12 profit

25NLH: 2 Buyins +1.51 profit

25PLO: 14 Buyins +97.37 Profit

Cash Profit: +232.21

Total Games Played: 3274

Total Profit: +€3101.67 on Unibet + 165.97 from other sites

 = +€3267.64

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Incidentally I'm looking for a bit of advice on PLO cash if anyone can help.

I hate cash. Historically I've been terrible at it, it bores me, I tilt easily and I generally have no interest in it. However, I seem to be very comfy at the 10PLO tables and making money from them over the course of this year but I'm mindful that I don't play for that long or that many hands.

How many hands should of be looking at to get a good feel for wether I'm a winning player? What's a good hourly win rate for PLO? What's people's overall feeling on the strength of the various player pools on Unibet?

Obviously I would have to change the way I record it and measure it because my current method is not fit for purpose.

It is maybe something I will look at playing more seriously next year. I love PLO and would love to be an expert at it. 

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Hi @MetalWolf 

The general opinion on NLHE seems to be don't even consider looking at your results until you've played 10,000 hands and 100,000 hands is still only a snapshot of variance in reality, (despite one "rigged" thread claiming 11 losses as impossible.) Matt Berkey reckons even a million hands might not give a true picture. Because the variance in PLO is so much higher, you're only ever a 65% favourite at best preflop, and each street can bring huge swings, I would guess you need an even larger sample to be confident of claiming to be a winner, but don't let me put a downer on your enthusiasm. Your bankroll will tell you if you're winning here and now but I wouldn't worry about putting a figure on it for quite a long time, just go for it and show yourself, and us, what you can do. 👍

Just Run Good. 🤣

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"It turns out that 75% of all poker players think they play better than the other 75%."     image.png.99a4e82708d54abfc527324e8836768e.png

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Literally in the last 5 minutes.

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It's not always what you've got that counts, it's what they've got that has a large bearing on profitability or otherwise. :waterfall:

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Thanks @GR1ZZL3R I think I am going to give it a go when I'm ready.

I know how many hands they say in holdem etc and I think I would agree with that at a high level where the more skillful people will play. At the levels I can afford to play I always think people who say that believe they should be beating the game but aren't in profit, and can't admit defeat or go back to study more. There are so many people still around those levels making consistant mistakes over and over. I suspect the overall level of PLO is worse than holdem too. If I played 300,000 hands at 10PLO and was down I would accept I can't beat the game and need to improve. I would accept it long before that. Variance or not there will be 1000's of oppurtunities in that time to be able to pick off a weaker player with the 'right bet' or just squeeze that little bit extra out of someone to counter the times when you will get coolered. Even the odd 10cents here and there improvement is going to help counter overall variance. I want to focus on that side.

I'm not sure what a good performer looks like at that level though. ROI? BB per hour rate? It's going to be interesting. 

I will almost certainly struggle mentally with the swings. Always have always will so thats a big risk. 

 

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@MetalWolf I've just come off the cash tables after what's definitely been an up and down session. Twenty minutes in and I was about €40 down, (I won't go into details :sad:) 4 tabling 5-10c. In the past I would have screamed and thrown a hissy fit but the "New Improved GR1ZZL3R" stuck at it and finished "only" €20 down, but still just up on the week. 😃 I really think I'm coming to terms with the mental battle, slowly but surely, there is so much positive info out there these days. I've seen the good and bad today as usual, and it really is worth pursuing the mental battle if you have faith in yourself. I think the biggest mistake I see over and over and over again is that players are willing to go all in with top pair, especially Ax, and in PLO you see players overvalue under straights and non nut flushes day after day. 

From what I can see you should be aiming to roughly double your win rate at PLO compared with NLHE but that's only a couple of opinions. Are you going public with your results? If so, don't do it too soon.

Best of luck. 👍

 

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Cheers @GR1ZZL3R . I shall defo be looking at all advice I can with the mental game. I won’t be diving in too soon I have a lot of reading to do. Also got to set some targets on what I want to achieve. Moving up and down levels etc. I class myself as a fairly competent plo player - certainly above average but depending on what mental state I’m in I will also be the one overvaluing little straights and flushes. 

I will , of course, be going public with results 😀

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@MetalWolf wrote:

Incidentally I'm looking for a bit of advice on PLO cash if anyone can help.

I hate cash. Historically I've been terrible at it, it bores me, I tilt easily and I generally have no interest in it. However, I seem to be very comfy at the 10PLO tables and making money from them over the course of this year but I'm mindful that I don't play for that long or that many hands.

How many hands should of be looking at to get a good feel for wether I'm a winning player? What's a good hourly win rate for PLO? What's people's overall feeling on the strength of the various player pools on Unibet?

Obviously I would have to change the way I record it and measure it because my current method is not fit for purpose.

It is maybe something I will look at playing more seriously next year. I love PLO and would love to be an expert at it. 


Hey @MetalWolf.

I have played at least 200k hands of PLO cash at Unibet, mostly at 10PLO, also a bit of 4PLO and 25PLO.

I would say 50K hands already gives you a good idea.

But more importantly you should get a feel from the game itself if it is juicy or not.

Are you winning cause you win the unavoidable flips or are you cause people are going bonkers with for example bottom 2 pair?

 

A few things about the PLO game on Unibet:

- The general skill level compared to NL is way lower.

- People love to gamble. It will be easy to spot those ofc

- A significant portion of the players has virtually no bluffing range on later streets.

- People give huge sizing tells. On wet boards a bet under potsize is rarely ever strong.

- Most of the pool does not have a good starting range. Overplaying double suited crap is a major leak I often see.

- ...

 

GL 

 

 

 

 

 

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Yeah i agree with you

Definitely and more probably u are facing weak player here

Also, with u best luck, poker and especially mtt tournaments can be very cruel and swing are often very hard to handle mentally

i know it by myself, i one month i am crushing the tourney and feel like poker is greatest thing ever, then i cannot win a single flip and feel like  worst player ever

Dont let this affect you, i lost so much because i was tilted from these swings

Also, i am still making tons of mistakes, because its different to analyze hand after, or be forced to make sudden decision

I wish u good luck at poker tables

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@mathew1982 

Thanks and good luck to you too. Its a good point about hand analysis. It's very different when you are on a bad run and you are often find ways for justifying a bad play. I am currently on one of those runs so I'm trying to play short sharp sessions to burn out the bad luck but it is so frustrating. 

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Been a tough week in poker. I'm going to give it one final grind before UOS. Not that I will be playing a huge deal of UOS due to other commitments but still.

I've been reading up more on PLO cash which is positive. 

I've been watching some strategy videos and trying to keep my head when the bad beats come. 

I will be in Manchester next weekend if anyone wants to say hi (probably won't be playing unless there is a community game).

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This week has been full of savage rivers and nonsensical calls from the opposition. I am still hurting over bubbling a UK50 ticket two nights ago due to an ICM sucide call from an opposing player. I missed a great oppurtunity for a big score in one of the UOS Low events last night after leading the tournament for a good amount of time before getting into some good positions allin with less than 25 players left and succumbing to consecutive river cards. I am wondering what sort of reputation I have on this site. I seem to get called EXTREMELY light when I move allin from small on big and far more often than I should be. Im talking 10 8 and below type light and getting called even when on the bubble with a big stack vs another big stack. I think less people have read Dara's book than Twitter suggests!

I dont want to be playing late tonight so might give the events a miss. I'll play tomorrows events and then travel to Manchester Saturday morning and see whos about in the casino.

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  • 2 weeks later...

What little UOS I played ended bitter sweetly. Just spent an hour heads up with the super tough EastBeast to lose out in second in E83 for circa 350e. Took a good lead many times after starting the HU big underdog and even had them in at risk a few times with the best hand. Just not to be. Gutted. 

Back tomorrow for day 2 of the nano..

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Good luck for tommorow

Nice to see you at the table kinda deep yesterday

I remember u lost KK to 99 to this guy for the massive chiplead, glad u managed to get backs, u only needed more luck on that heads up. 

At this UOS event, lost heads- up is always bittersweet, because of 5000 freerol and more points. 

4 days ago, 2k garant UOS event i went to heads up agains s1nner, and went to like 8:1 chiplead, still managed to finished second, lost too many 3 outers, so frustrating, finished 2nd was a really bad experience. 

Good luck today and for the future

 

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