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pinki Rank 20
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Good morning @MadAdoSmile
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MadAdo Rank 16
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pinki Rank 20
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@MadAdo busted with QcKc Smile  Meleager Smile

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MadAdo Rank 16
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@pinki  you changed your identity way too much Smile ... I just play for FUN today ... HexaPRO advent mission sucks me too much Puking not worthy for me and I'm perfectly aware of! Won 1 of 7 (with minimal multiplier of course) and got 10x multiplier once ... busted KK to Ax playa (std.). Lost HU 4 times today when I was no worse - really did not like that dealer!

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pinki Rank 20
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@MadAdo wrote:

@pinki  you changed your identity way too much Smile ... I just play for FUN today ... HexaPRO advent mission sucks me too much Puking not worthy for me and I'm perfectly aware of! Won 1 of 7 (with minimal multiplier of course) and got 10x multiplier once ... busted KK to Ax playa (std.). Lost HU 4 times today when I was no worse - really did not like that dealer!


yes I change  often Smile I am looking for this lucky alias Smile  i also not so good i Hexa,  lost only 1euro and this one 2e->6e. this game is also not for me...maybe with 1.8e min cash Wink and i had lotto between x1.5 and x1000 Smile

I have to reset ...last two days I can't find the balance Smile 

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Merenitsu Rank 21
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@pinki I received today 5 minimum multipliers. for 105 tournaments a couple of times there was a multiplier of 3.33. many do not understand that the factor 10 does not actually exist. because the total fee is about 3 euros each time

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pinki Rank 20
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@Merenitsu  nevermind I will not play it, sometimes  may be for mission a few games... for me 5sngs are better. if someone likes it ... fine Wink  i dont Smile

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pinki Rank 20
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I have couples thoughts  again @MadAdo.

i dont understand couple things :

1.  we have 0.2e->1mtt    starting stack/levels:  2500/3min

2. we have 1e->5euro :  2000/4min

3. we have 2e->10euro   or  5e->25e:  3000/4min  

what is the reason for these differences between 5 and 10?

in the future 5MTT had identical to 2->10.  this is insane ... I am beginning to think that Unibet specifically creates such structures for these bingo players  ... and im close to  moving you know where ...  this is simply insane ...  on Stars i havent problem with  deposit money from my pocket but here i've huge problem with that  ...  even for fun ,play some decent mtts with decent struture ... o 1-2mtt we have one "slow" mtt : singularity, even no single bounty with decent stack ..  qualifier for 5mtt  where is deep stack, blackhole or shooting with  some normal structure  are strange . i was happy when i saw 0.2e qualifiers but now   I have some doubts ...im pretty sure that players on 5euro are similar to 1-2euro.or soon will be ..  I do not know  what to think ...strange things very strange ....

no qualifier from 0.4->2uro....  why ? 

For now i dont bother .... i've plan setup some bankroll for fun in poker in january .on ... we'll see. 

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GothMoth Rank 18
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 @MadAdo you discovered online poker only 2 years later than me and are still struggling with freerolls and centrolls... There is certainly something wrong: too little time for playing poker, no studying enough, wrong attitude or bad mental game, I could not know.

Almost certainly  you'll  get the impression that I'm criticizing you and write too much about mine struggles in the past or simply brags about my "easy money" and this after you haven't asked me for advice in "4) MTT grinders" and I rarely give ones esp. about poker. But you are not a novice and I'll make an exclusion and even if you find my words not worthy someone else might benefit from them in the future Smile

 

I began my poker carrer in 2008 with 5-Card Draw which from the start until it became obsolete even on PS 5-6 years later was my main source of income along with some good loyalty freerolls and occasionally few MTT sessions -  no more than 10 with €2-€10 buy-ins weekly.

Now I wish to have had moved to MTTs back then after my 1st 4-digits win in 2009 Wonder But the cash games were and are more steady income, so I even switched to NLHE for almost 2 years later( the 5-CD tables were almost empty already )and having to grind 2$-$10 NL for less then the half of my previous winings from 5-Card Draw and also to study a whole new universe of gameplay with no real progress in both and bad work ethic on top of it all, it became clear that this is only temporarily because working "real job" for even less money was out of the question.

Then being fed up with the monotonous and robotic play at the micros I finally decided to specialize in MTTs and MTSNGs. I've had great start at MPN( few months ~€1000 profit when they offered numerous tourneys before they crippled their MTT schedule with many R/As and almost no decent .micro MTTs. Then I played shortly at Ipoker with decent success, also at other smaller networks which are not so good imo.

One day while reading some 10 year old post at the 1st BG Poker Forum I remembered that I have made a registration at UnibetPoker back when they planned Unibet Open at Golden Sands and were giving some entries in freerolls...

Since then my play is exclusively here and I might tell you that the bigger sites(esp. PS) with these enourmous playe-fields are one of the things you and many aspiring MTT players should avoid especially in the start of their carrer - the variance is so bigger that you might have to wait for years to win a tournament at stars ( I did back in 2011 and the field was less than 1000 people - no second 1st place since then and I've played more than 2000 games majority of which were MTTs). My alias there is Tzarvone and you could search it in sharscope(not opted-in though).

I wrote this to mainly to give you the cons of the cash games: constantly evolving thus more tough opponents even at the micros and you have to be very prone to studying, analyzing gameplays and tendencies, working with numerous programs etc. to be one of the 5-10% which could make some profit at the end Smirk

I've experienced this not so much with the draw as I play it from the late 80s (as a kid with my parents and friends) and later only had to read few articles and chapters in 2 books and I was more than ready.The rest is learned by playing and I've played few millions of hands from the  $0.10-$0.20 to $10-$20(50-100 times bigger than my usual when I ocassionaly spotted few donors  mostly during weekend nights).

My main game was PL at Merge in the first months as a newbie and I remember that I haven't lost a single all-in(for sure have been extremely lucky as well) in that network (and there were still  plenty of americans and many bad players )I quit in 2009 because they scammed me with $2000 from a promo. Then I realized abouth the bonuses and with so many OnGame sites - every month I  registered in a new one with ~$500 deposit bonus + few hundreds from play, but they made changes to the software and the draw games died immediatelly, later the network too Annoyed

Then finally I moved to PS despite the more competent players on average. I even switched to FL as it's even more easy to play and the variance is the lowest. I played mainly $0.10-$0.20 and $0.25-$0.50, but multitabling up to 9 tables which is way more harder than non-draw games as you had to constantly click on the cards and to pay attention to how many cards the opponents have drawn. But this only made me prepared to multitable without making mistakes or feeling distracted/tired later Smile

The main reason the cash games lost their main pros is because of the decline of the poker economy in the past decade. There were no more players which simply sit at the table not knowing even some of the rules  as for the split pots or why you shouldn't regualary post BB when sitting in just to be dealt immediately and then should sit out accordingly when you quit. But more than anytning the rich guys were no longer entertained by the new modern game  or were no so rich anymore and in some cases were even unable to deposit. The bonuses were getting smaller and smaller, the rakeback became a dirty word and the rooms with their far worse loyalty programs just tried to convince the players that nothing has changed Veryangry And one of the main reasons the cash games to be so popular among grinders were the bonuses and the rakeback + the loyalty program which made it possible for some players to find a deal which gives them more than 100% cashback Wow Then you have to grind and not to lose and the "salary" is waiting. The good old times... CashCool

Nowadays the situation is different and unless you have a passion for cash games (which fades away after the 1st few million hands Laugh) and are very talented and with desire to improve constantly or just simply prefer the hard-earned cash I wouldn't advice someone to become a cash player (or a poker player in general) with little or no experience and lack of fundamental knowledge necessary even at NL 2-4-5-10 in order to be a winner. Just for comparison the same know-how 10 years ago would have been enough to crush NL100 or NL200.

So at the end the fun, excitement, the lesser ammount of knowledge and the neverending bad players dreaming for a big win make the tournaments the logical choice for almost every player, but especially for the ones which don't want to waste few more years switching formats or learning NLHE when are years behind the average good winning player at stakes which don't provide much, but require 8hrs 9-tabling the 1st 1 year in order to evaluate the real progress and eventually to begin to earn something more decent, but with even more work.

The MTTs provide the same ammount of profit but don't require so much studying( maybe 1to5) until you reach the higher stakes where the ICM and other complex, but simple compared to some cash fundamentals begin to influence the outcome and the gameplays in the tourneys and the profit would be non-existant or too small without knowing in details such concepts. While at the MTTs here you won't experience many difficulties for sure at the lower buy-in ones and even at the higher ones as Milky Way and Supernova(when you are sitted at a good table) your opponents atrocious play (maybe 40-60% of the field) will be enough for you to profit in the long run even without delving too much into theory Smile

 

 

 

 

 

 


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MadAdo Rank 16
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@GothMoth  many thank you for your wise/smart post here, it should be interesting to other players here as well. I appreciate all you wrote but I'm not playing for MONEY-only, there is still a big portion of FUN (as far as I'm quite missing that 1M hands Smile) and there is a lot of fun when you running good (generate some profit). I have no-enough time to playing all those MTT, but when playing some, buy-in up to 1eur is enough for me (as I still like fun). The fact is that more poker is available from higher buy-ins (especially here on Unibet)!

Never mind, I want specialize on CASH (NL4 !!!) becuase it is less-time consuming, it is a lot of fun there, I do not risk much money there ... and I'm very (hundreds BI) profit in long term!

So all of you - any advices concerning my today's question ? (what the optimal NL4 strategy should be)

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