Dennis´ Poker Blog

[Dennis__]

you are right of course @WuDu 

here we go

[Dennis__]

By the way I recommend watching without sound. Unless you want to listen to me mourning that is:happy:

[Groggy]

It might be worth investing in a decent training course. I wouldn't be able to recommend you one from personal experience though.  The awkward part is MTT courses will have ranges that are adjusted for antes, and cash courses ones will be too deepstacked to be as spot on when 50bb deep etc.   

[WuDu]

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@Dennis__ wrote:

you are right of course @WuDu 

here we go

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Hi @Dennis__ , I watched the first 15 minutes or so and to me, this explains a lot. First and foremost, your table setup gave me eye cancer. :Laugh: With all those overlapping tables, how are you expected to keep track of the action at the respective tables? Often you had to check about previous actions of your opponents, which is not a good sign as well.

Second, your whole way of playing seems off to me. Let me give you an example regarding bet-sizes: You often min-raise preflop and on the other hand, you sometimes 3bet your whole stack even if you're 30 BBs deep. I saw you calling a massive 3bet all-in with AQo. There were also some spots where you could have called an All-In on the bubble in the SB and refused to do so. All in all, your style of playing seems out of sync to me.

I think around the 6 minute mark, there was a hand you played poorly: You had QQ and min-raised, resulting in a family pot of 4 players. Flop came K-x-x with 2 hearts. 8,5 BB in the pot and 1 guy bets 3 BB and both of the remaining opponents called as well, and you still called?  5 BB bet on the turn, 1 guy calls, 1 guy folds and you called again? In the end one of the opponents had a K and you threw away 8 BBs.

[fest_student]

I agree with WuDu. I suggest you to massively cut down your amount of tables, and really think of every decision you make on the table. You make the biggest edge and money by exploiting, and that's really hard when you have that much tables (and in a setup like that). GLGL

[Dennis__]

The hearing:

In short, I lost. Brocky essentially claimed that he staking deal had no limits. I asked him if that meant he could have bet the entire 5.000€ on a specific number in roulette. He said yes. I made it clear that that would be an absolutely ridiculous agreement on my part but the judge decided she deemed me foolish enough to do something like that based on the fact that I was already foolish enough not to take a screenshot of the contract. There was more evidence that was discarded or ignored for reasons I don't really understand but I won't give more details here. 

 

Poker:

thanks for the feedback. I have objections to everything @WuDu said, but given the fact that a lot of people seem to agree with him (as do my results), I conclude that you are probably right and I am wrong. That brings me to my next point. I am quitting poker.

 

What comes next?

I will be doing some full time language learning for the next few months and then look for work in that area.

[fest_student]

Why quit??? why not learn from the advice given and improve your game? Nothing comes for free...

[Dennis__]

there are a number of reasons @fest_student 

firstly, I simply don't enjoy the game anymore.

secondly, I would like to do something more sensible with my life than play a silly game for a few bucks.

thirdly, I don't understand what I am doing wrong. The explanations given to me seem bizarre, there seem to always be reasons for my plays to appear to be just as reasonable or more reasonable than the suggested alteration. Maybe I have reached my talent ceiling?!

fourthly, I have spend a lot of time in the past working on my game (not only ICM) and nothing ever seemed to get me beyond a certain point. I simply don't want to spend more time on it.

[P0kerM0nk]

It is probably for the better to get looking for a 'real job' or a better purpose in life than poker. For poker to be successful and to be able to finance your life you already have to be some kind of a crusher tbh. Sure some people make decent money but is it enough to also fund their retirement years? I doubt it. Sometimes it is also good to give poker a rest and a return is always possible and who knows you'll have a new view onto things as playing day in day out sometimes gets your head so deep in the rabbithole you kinda lose track of reality. And this goes for everyone, not just @Dennis__ 

Hope you find something else you can enjoy doing and you can always play a few games at the side :atisfied:

[fest_student]

Okay, I understand. I wish you good luck in your future challenges

[GR1ZZL3R]

Unfortunately @Dennis_ I think you never truly know someone as you think you do until money becomes involved, a sad lesson.

I have similar reasons for cutting back on poker though I don't think I'll ever quit completely.

Good luck in your future endeavours, maybe drop in sometime and let us know how it's going. 👍

[Jami-Unibet]

I've removed some messages from here. Discussion is more than welcome, but lets keep insults away from here. If Dennis wishes to share details, he will do so and as mentioned in the other thread Brocky is also able to provide a comment if he wishes to do so. 

[Groggy]

Sorry to hear you feel ready to quit. Maybe you'll feel differently after some time off.

First of all your set up is an absolute disaster, there is no way you are going to get the best results playing like that. Invest in a second monitor and tile, you want to be able to see all the tables at all times. I don't think anybody could play there A game with that mess.

Secondly some of what your doing is bad, which is a good thing as it means you can improve your results. 

Your ranges are off. You are limping hands in the sb that cannot be limped profitably without antes like j6o. Even if you can turn it into a smidge of profit by limping the attention you need to give it isn't worth it.

You are just playing too many hands preflop. Opening hands like T9o utg. It just can't make profit. You shouldn't even open that from cut off, ever. Your ranges are so far off and it really isn't a hard fix to study some charts and copy them. Defending hands like A7o in the bb 3 way is another spot you're going to lose money. Flops too poorly, dominated too often.

4 minutes 5 seconds. Jto hand. Why are you betting here and for a big size? 15 minute 45 seconds, why are you bet calling off here with 86?

35 minutes a player pots utg and you defend bb A9o. How are you going to defend that profitably?

Maybe you are missing spots to play more exploit. One example is you have AA in the sb 5bb deep, you jam and get a fold. Why not limp and let him spaz, or flop a worse piece/ bluff off post.

You need to play more solid ranges. Especially with the table count, it's better to err on the side of tight than play some of the hands your playing.

Your ICM play seemed good from flicking through. The issue is your playing stakes where some players don't care at all about ICM, which makes a max pressure ICM strategy less good than it would be in 10s/25s.

Play more solid ranges and you'll do fine. Some of the preflop and postflop is bad so there is room for improvement. You can definitely make money from poker. It is something you could do as a side income/ profitably hobby. I'm not sure if it's the right fit for you full time.

If you upload more gameplay you should do it of where you are playing a comfortable amount of tables to watch and an amount where you should be playing your A game .

 

 

[Livertool]

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@Dennis__ wrote:

The hearing:

In short, I lost.  @@

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Well, wasn't first or last time that justice wasn't served. It was 5k lesson then. As i understand brocky lost that money and didn't get any financial benefit out of it so small silverlining there. Hopefully he is happy with himself now, scamming and getting nothing out of it, what a dumbass :Rofl:

[OmahGAWD]

Good luck @Dennis__ 

sending you positive energy in whatever direction you take next

[Dennis__]

I doubt I will be taking poker up again in the future. The decision was already made before the hearing so it's not a short term tilt thing. 

thanks for the long analysis @Groggy . I read through it but won't bother to watch the video and look at the hands again, would be a waste of time.

@Livertool I don't actually think that Brocky's documents definitively showed that he really did lose the money with online casino games. Anyway, there is a reasonable chance he did indeed. 

@WuDu I got to read your stuff before it was deleted. There is really no good reason for you to play the "you should have known from the beginning"-card, unless your goal is to make me feel even worse than I already do. I sincerely hope that you don't.

[FreedoM]

@Dennis__ Wishing you a lot of success in your new pursuit and a joyful life in general. :lovekiss:

[Livertool]

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@Dennis__ wrote:

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@Livertool I don't actually think that Brocky's documents definitively showed that he really did lose the money with online casino games. Anyway, there is a reasonable chance he did indeed. 

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Ok. But i'm pretty sure he has lost it already if not at that time as for 100% he has issues with gambling. If he ain't hiding in his basement already, he will be at some point when he screws up with wrong opponent.

But anyways, thou you lost quite lot of money, no need to hang on it if there is nothing you can do anymore. Just consider it that you were up to lose it anyway in worst case scenario whether you lose them like this or you gambling them yourself.

New worm to the hook and next time better 👍

[WuDu]

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@Dennis__ wrote:

@Livertool I don't actually think that Brocky's documents definitively showed that he really did lose the money with online casino games. Anyway, there is a reasonable chance he did indeed. 

@WuDu I got to read your stuff before it was deleted. There is really no good reason for you to play the "you should have known from the beginning"-card, unless your goal is to make me feel even worse than I already do. I sincerely hope that you don't.

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@Dennis__ Online casino games like blackjack, roulette and the like?

The reply you mentioned that was deleted was an answer to @GR1ZZL3R's last statement and I'm standing behind it 100 %. I think @Livertool mentioned it here before, take the loss and see it as learning experience. However you can only learn from this if you analyze what you did wrong: High risk investments only with a very small fraction of your overall portfolio; spending time on researching your "partners", their "true motivation" and "skillset"; weighing the risks vs the rewards etc.

To conclude my reply, the question I'm always asking myself regarding staking deals in general is: If the stakee is as good as he says he is, why does he need my money?

[Dennis__]

yes, casino games like blackjack and roulette @WuDu 

I might have misunderstood your comment @WuDu and in that case I apologize. It understood it as a "how could you even be so stupid to trust this guy", but maybe that's not what you meant. Sorry

 

And it is definitely correct that I did a few stupid things along the way, however I still put 100% of the moral blame on Brocky.

[WuDu]

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@Dennis__ wrote:

yes, casino games like blackjack and roulette @WuDu 

 

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Wow, that's low. Especially after explicitly stating that he was seeking a stake to play HUSNG and/or Hyper 6m:

@Dennis__ , you really had bad luck with the judge and her verdict, I agree with you on that one.

Despite always describing himself as a pro on the community, the one who shall not be named here, didn't really earn a living wage (in the UK) given his stats. At his best game (HUSNG 25) he made what? 700-800 Euro a month? Great numbers for an amateur, but not pro numbers in the UK.

According to his stats, which most likely don't paint the true picture, he made less per game at the 50s than at the 25s and for the 100s, the stake wouldn't be enough. So moving up in the HUSNGs didn't make sense. From my own experience playing against him, he was an aggro donk at the 5 man SNGs at Unibet which explains his 160 BI "downswing".

He had a final table finish at the Unibet Open in late 2018 and was probably living off that money for a huge part of 2019. Again, great result for an amateur, but not reliable money for a pro. Maybe he "caught a whale" playing high stakes HUSNG. Once that was gone (probably while eating up his BR along the way), his girlfriend paid the rent for him as well. Then corona hits and his GF loses her job, meaning she cannot support him anymore. So now he's busto, without a job, cannot win at the games he's playing and his GF is probably massively pissed, since that's not what he promised her when he quit his day job after the UO final table. 

So he decides to try a Hail Mary and bring in fresh money because he needs money fast. If not, his GF and his appartment both are gone. And there you have the motivation for his actions. You transferred the money, he probably played at the stakes you verbally agreed on for a while, couldn't win there of course and then went to the casino risk-free, since it wasn't his money he gambled with.

So yeah, I agree that his actions were morally wrong, as you stated. He never acted in good faith like you probably expected. But you were making a high risk/high reward investment decision and such a result was definitely part of the high risk-category.

The loss hurts right now, but most of us probably made bad investment decisions in the past. After a little time off, you might look on it and learn from this experience and maybe this helps you avoid making a much costlier mistake down the road in the future. 

[Dennis__]

I actually used that thread post of his as evidence. He stated he was asking for a staking deal but claimed that the one we agreed upon was a different one. The judge believed him on that one. Really got my jaw dropping.

What you then say is interesting but pure speculation, I won't comment on it.

I think I learned two major things:

-Don't ever trust anybody

-don't ever think that the court or the police are there to protect the good guys

[WuDu]

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@Dennis__ wrote:

I actually used that thread post of his as evidence. He stated he was asking for a staking deal but claimed that the one we agreed upon was a different one. The judge believed him on that one. Really got my jaw dropping.

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A clueless judge, how many people are looking for a roulette and black jack stake on twoplustwo? :laugh: 

Just out of curiosity, do you know when he started playing BJ and roulette? How long after your staking deal started? Also, do you know how much was lost with these casino games?

[Dennis__]

@WuDu his transactions suggest he started playing casino games just a few days after I sent the money over.

His transactions are also pretty much unconclusive. They showed some deposits and some withdrawals. I mentioned in the hearing that there was basically nothing stopping him from leaving some of the money in the accounts and he said something like "you should have asked me for screenshots of the account balances, like every other person would do". Again this seemed to be sufficient for the judge.

[Jami-Unibet]

Lets keep this thread on track. The case is not something that should be discussed here as it does not provide any value to the Community. As Stubbe said in the original thread: "Basically, I don't think the community is the place for this kind of thread, and I don't see what it'll ever accomplish, having it open and having more users engage. You've shared your experience, and I think we should leave it at that (with brocky having the option to comment, should be wish to do so).".

So lets keep this thread on track, in the SNG challenge.