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monkeyheaven Rank 10
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Been a while since I updated, been on a fairly spirit crushing breakeven run for last couple months.  Nothing unusual, been on much much worse runs on stars, but I’m so used to just winning since I’ve been playing on unibet, so it’s come as a nasty surprise.  Have dropped the highest stakes games to reduce variance for a bit, things seem to be turning round so should add them back soon enough.

GTO vs exploitative play:  This seems to be the topic of the moment, so what’s best in unibets 5man sngs? 

I’ve done some work this year with PIOsolver (a postflop GTO solver program).  It’s certainly been an eye opener, and it’s improved my strategy with regards to betsizes and what hands might be best to use as bluff candidates, for example.  I regard it as a good online coach; worth listening to, but impossible to emulate in every way, and not familiar with population tendencies in my games.  You are able to define some of your opponent tendencies in PIO, so we can build a GTO strategy vs a fish and this is certainly informative, but it doesn’t capture all the exploitable tendencies of fish, and applying one GTO strategy is impossible for a human, never mind applying multiple GTO strategies for each player type.

Many of the prominent voices in poker advocate a GTO approach because they play in tough highstakes lineups where it is most appropriate to play GTO and they are often highly interested in selling their knowledge on to players.  In games populated by weak players (hello, unibet 5mans) an exploitative approach will always be more successful, but it’s tough to teach an exploitative strategy without an understanding of specific population tendencies.  If you’re interested in reaching highstakes these days you probably need to be attempting to approach GTO, but reality is most of us will never get there (I accepted this long ago).   Also, unlike cash/mtts, sngs have ICM considerations from the first hand, something that PIOsolver is not able to account for.

Reg rankings; this is not a full list,forgot some screennames.  Onechugdoug seems very good, I’d guess he’s better than me, close though as he def makes some small mistakes but I certainly do too.  Not seen IanSimpson at sngs recently, not sure if he’s quit them, shame if he has as it’s always good to have someone promoting them.  The names above Ian are all solid players imo, and below him is a mix of very average predictable players and ones with glaring leaks. 

  1. Onechugdoug
  2. Runbetter
  3. Caladrias
  4. Tedwina
  5. Spr
  6. Iansimpson
  7. jordycroux
  8. IkerC1
  9. Crazyfusz
  10. Mervinjminky
  11. TonnyP1
  12. Csaiklacika
  13. Sect7G
  14. Fromri 
  15. Vilunki 
  16. Kroll
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Ghaleon Rank 8
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So are you changing your nick or sticking to same one? 

Imo unibet does lot of thing nicely with sng. Rake is low even if rakeback is not that great. Though I suppose its good compared to e.g. stars these days. Structure is very good in that it keeps playable stack depth for good amount of time and wont go up in big steps. Yet games are still pretty fast to complete. I played few years ago in partypoker and if I remember right there was some huge step in blinds where stacks leaped to being mainly shove stacks. Antes from beginning would be ok but its fine either way as to keep games better for weaker players no ante will favour them.

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monkeyheaven Rank 10
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@Ghaleon, yeah I change my screename, often multiple times within a session. I’m not sure if there’s players using HUDs illegally, and some regs get reads fairly quickly. 

I remember the old party sng structures were the worst, was the reason I never played there, they have changed the structure this year, much improved, but they have no traffic at 6m turbos, everyone plays 6m DON for some reason. 

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anyone Rank 16
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What tools and study material would you suggest if one wants to advance his SNG game? Everything from basic level (besides fundamental stuff) to advanced knowledge.

is there any good offline SNG simulator out there where you can train different stack depths and situations?

Info note: Only play at sites which does not allow HUD’s.

Nice blog! Keep it going and gl with the gamingSmile

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monkeyheaven Rank 10
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ICMizer or another icm calculator helps with a lot of the <20bb push/call spots. The quality of the output is entirely dependent on how accurately you input opponent ranges but it’s not too hard to generate good results. 

HU play is worth focussing on, often in unibet 5max you get hu reasonably deep.  I don’t have a subscription, but the free material upswing produces I think is good and easy to digest. 

I’m not aware of any sng simulator, PIOsolver would be the closest, doesn’t factor in icm considerations, and it’s a lot of work to output meaningful data (assuming you are against opponents who play far from optimally).  Think I’ve got the basic version (was $300) and it does everything I need.  

You say you can’t use a HUD, but if you play somewhere in addition to unibet, and can collect hh there’s a lot you do with your own data. I generated millions of hh on other sites and have been able to see, for example, which hands are not profitable to open.  There’s very little quality material out there for preflop ranges in early levels; 6max cash or mtt opening ranges don’t translate that well in my opinion.  

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Caladrias Rank 10
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Planning to play some Hexapros, or not a big fan? What do you think about the format? Smile 

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VikingsAF Rank 21
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@zeikosan wrote:
Приложения будут использоваться здесь???

Hey zeikosan. The least you can do is speak in English on this forum. Other languages are not allowed

I see now that the circumstances of ones birth are irrelevant... It is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are.
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anyone Rank 16
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@monkeyheaven thanks man, great answer! 

Have looked at ICM a bit but not deeply but that is absolutely something that I need to practice. I need to be better around the bubble I think. There are some spots there where I'm not totally sure of. Guess it’s here in which ICM shall be used to crunch the numbers to figure out how wide we can push to gain that extra +cEV?

Regarding re-flop ranges I have constructed pretty ok ranges for the level I play, I think. Agree, 6max CG ranges are not applicable! Using those would be a less optimal solution. But with that said I have taken some inspiration from them and adjusted. Also keeping some flexibility in them dependent on the opponents, i.e. going over to an exploitative game style when the opponents are right. Not saying that I have GTO ranges figured out for SNG 5 max but just meaning that I try to lean towards a fundamental strategy and make deviations from it when I find it profitable. Likewise when it comes to post-flop play. There I have the same strategy as well (which I have applied from my cash game experience), works pretty well. I’m not an expert post-flop but think I might do above average in the SNG field. Seen much funky sh#t going on post-flop at the SNG tables😊 And at the same, I do some messed up stuff as well. Been snapped of sometimes on river where I’ve been totally empty. The table must have thought “LOL, look at that fool! He is the table donk!” Very Happy Any way, have loads to learn and I’m thankful for the information you shared.

If you have some good info around bubble-play I welcome that😊

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traart Rank 10
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monkeyheaven Rank 10
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Been a while since I checked in on here, hope games are going well for you. I've played a couple hexapros out of curiousity. Im not a fan of the jackpot sng format in general, to play professionally you need to be backed to take the variance out of the games, and that obviously takes from my profits.  Specifically Hexapros, the speed of the games, mostly you are playing 1minute levels, and the high rake, they don't look beatable (but everyone said that about stars spins when they were introduced, so maybe the player is soft enough).  So, no not interested .

I am surprised and relieved that their introduction hasn't killed the 5man games on the site, but the state of 5mans has deteriorated anyway from other factors .

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