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@Nikzzzz wrote:

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So clearly that 3 of them the game had almost restarted before they were found. I'd rather the refs did their job and didn't rely on VAR to fix their errors.

And if the refs are so HeartHeartsHeart that they miss those decisions then YES i'd rather it finished 4-2.
Goal line technology works almost perfectly, let's leave it there. Or would you do away with the officials altogether?

Of course. We all want that. But thats never going to happen, so here we are. Not sure what almost restarted means. After a goal theres not a lot of other options to wait before restarting play. 


It's when they all walk back to the halfway line and stand ready to restart while the referee stands with his hand on his ear listening to the pearls of wisdom from the VAR official. If it was clearly offside it would be sorted quickly.

Do you honestly thinkthat the game is better on any level for having VAR? I genuinely don't. I preferred it's beautiful but natural imperfection. Now it's still imperfect (because even cameras don't always make it obvious) but feels weird and unnatural.It's strangling the game, get rid.

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@DoktorAvalanche wrote:

@Nikzzzz wrote:

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So clearly that 3 of them the game had almost restarted before they were found. I'd rather the refs did their job and didn't rely on VAR to fix their errors.

And if the refs are so HeartHeartsHeart that they miss those decisions then YES i'd rather it finished 4-2.
Goal line technology works almost perfectly, let's leave it there. Or would you do away with the officials altogether?

Of course. We all want that. But thats never going to happen, so here we are. Not sure what almost restarted means. After a goal theres not a lot of other options to wait before restarting play. 


It's when they all walk back to the halfway line and stand ready to restart while the referee stands with his hand on his ear listening to the pearls of wisdom from the VAR official. If it was clearly offside it would be sorted quickly.

Do you honestly thinkthat the game is better on any level for having VAR? I genuinely don't. I preferred it's beautiful but natural imperfection. Now it's still imperfect (because even cameras don't always make it obvious) but feels weird and unnatural.It's strangling the game, get rid.


 I am saying i dont understand what else they should do, other  then  walk back. Basically you are deciding that it was close bacause the referees spent a long time deciding, rather then you looking at the incident and deciding for yourself. I already said, and agree that there is to much time beeing spent reviewing decisions. But thats a result om bad use of VAR not VAR itself. Which will only get better as referees get more used to it. I dont think any of the calls were close when viewed in replay, and they should have made the calls much quicker. 

I understand your point of view regarding the flow of the game, and as you say natural imperfection. I hope and believe improvments will be made, but regardless; correct decions being made(most of the time) still trumps it for me at the moment. 

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Each to their own. Smile

You'd think they'd have the hang of VAR by now and  they even seem to have got worse at using it. I just think that there are now way too many variables, they've made a fairly straightforward decision very complicated now. Mistakes can even be made in communication or lack of it. It makes refs lazy and rely on the system too much. 

At the end of the day we managed without VAR for over 100 years. The game works better without it. 

Cani just make one last point about offside decisions given by VAR. At what point do you stop the film to draw the  lines? As the player's foot touches the ball or as it leaves his foot? Watch a super slow motion of a ball being kicked and you'll see how fallible this system is.

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Yeah and it is referees job to make those educated judgements. Same like to give ot not freekick, card etc... There is no absolute truth in those either yet decision one way or other may have crusial effect on score. Next step that they start viewing those with videos too and only whisttle blows we hear is start and end of game Cheeky Wouldn't mind if they would use VAR to totally wrong calls but not like this.

Besides if assist ref don't flag offside and game continues, that is very wrong decision too. Even if there is no goal in situation that follows, i can guarantee game isn't same if they allow it to continue vs defending team gets freekick from that offside that never has been called. Where is justice in that?

 

 

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Each to their own. Smile

You'd think they'd have the hang of VAR by now and  they even seem to have got worse at using it. I just think that there are now way too many variables, they've made a fairly straightforward decision very complicated now. Mistakes can even be made in communication or lack of it. It makes refs lazy and rely on the system too much. 

At the end of the day we managed without VAR for over 100 years. The game works better without it. 

Cani just make one last point about offside decisions given by VAR. At what point do you stop the film to draw the  lines? As the player's foot touches the ball or as it leaves his foot? Watch a super slow motion of a ball being kicked and you'll see how fallible this system is.


Yes abosolutly Smile

Its a good point regarding when to draw the line. It should be when the ball leaves the foot imo, and if done incorrectly even by a small margin that does indeed make a big difference in some cases. I dont know what cameras are used and how many frames pr second they register. However if the player recieving the ball is offside when the player touches the ball and also when the ball has left the foot, it doesnt matter as he is offside regardless. If this is not completely clear i think the goal should be given. 

Its true the game was fine without VAR. But id bet there are many things you are doing differently now even though you managed fine without them before, things can always get better Very Happy 


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sometime VAR helps me on my bets  Smile other time not Laugh

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Its true the game was fine without VAR. But id bet there are many things you are doing differently now even though you managed fine without them before, things can always get better Very Happy 



That is the key thing. If something ain't broke, no need to fix it.

None complained about chip in ball to tell if it is goal or not, player that don't effect game to be offside, goalkeeper can't take ball to hands when own player passes ball etc cause those made game better and more smooth unlike thise "improvement" straight from hell Secret

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Its true the game was fine without VAR. But id bet there are many things you are doing differently now even though you managed fine without them before, things can always get better Very Happy 



That is the key thing. If something ain't broke, no need to fix it.

None complained about chip in ball to tell if it is goal or not, player that don't effect game to be offside, goalkeeper can't take ball to hands when own player passes ball etc cause those made game better and more smooth unlike thise "improvement" straight from hell Secret

 

Absolutely.

Even the chip in ball can malfunction though. A couple of weeks ago a 'goal' wasn't given even though it was clear to the naked eye that it had crossed the line. The on field referee even said later that he thought it was over the line but he trusted the technology over his eyesight.(probably a fair assumption for most referees Rofl) But because a defender and the goalkeeper and the goalpost were all so close together it caused a  malfunction. 

That said i'm happy with goal line tech as that's possibly the only example of it not working properly and it's not open to 'interpretation'.


 

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That is the key thing. If something ain't broke, no need to fix it.

None complained about chip in ball to tell if it is goal or not, player that don't effect game to be offside, goalkeeper can't take ball to hands when own player passes ball etc cause those made game better and more smooth unlike thise "improvement" straight from hell Secret


The game is already different without VAR anyway. It is played at a higher pace, and game changing incidents happen more often than they used to. More teams are playing high lines etc.

Player transfers are also completely different. A bad season at a different time. No problem, go again next season. Now? Players leave. Losing out on Europe can have enormous consequences for a club for years to come.

Again, I come back to the original topic of this discussion. The 4 offside decisions in the Napoli game were all correct with the use of VAR, and it stopped Sassuolo from winning the game. 
Potentially costing Napoli Europe next season. Players that would have left, might now stay. 
The consequences of a decision are different than 30 years ago. 

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@Nikzzzz wrote:

The 4 offside decisions in the Napoli game were all correct with the use of VAR, and it stopped Sassuolo from winning the game. 
Potentially costing Napoli Europe next season.

I am quite sure they would have been offsides regardless of var, difference is they would have called immediatly and we woudn't have seen goals which lead to this conversation. It is no secret that pre-var they called offsides pretty safely to favour defensive team if it was close call. Nowadays they seem to be afraid to raise the flag cause, you know there is always var to points "Absolute truth" Cheeky

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This must be only time so far that i've seen chip to fail and it should have been goal. But it is acceptable if at least 90% of time that chip works when var don't reach even 50% Rofl

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