taft Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Okay, since I'm not going to ask everyone to please come into my topic and tell me I'm not going crazy :D I would like to pose this question and see what you all think.You have an openender plus fd on flop, the opponent has a pair. Which one is mathematically favored to win that hand with two cards to come (let's say you get it all in on the flop)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hascorel Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 😃 you realy dont get it do you ? first our discution is about turn not flop , i told you that i like leading flop ..no ? we talk about turn if barrel or not vs fish ..right? then we talk about your made hand (comobo draw ) witch is a combo draw not a made hand ..... you literaly tell me if you are a favorite vs tp on flop you have a made hand ...you have a DRAW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taft Posted November 9, 2016 Author Share Posted November 9, 2016 Hascorel, we can continue your personal discussion (and it has been about everything, do you have a problem with that?) In my other topic, let's keep this topic to the question I posed. You are welcome to answer the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimal Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 the person with the hand...in your case him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psrquack Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 I think we need further informations. How many real outs do you have? The villain have a suited card from your needed suit or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magicadil Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Openender + fd is definitely the favorite to win the hand I debateShould I smile like everything's good and pretend that life is greatOr should I let the world see the real me and not hide this painI tried to be like the rest of y'all, sorry I just can'tI'ma probably die this way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taft Posted November 9, 2016 Author Share Posted November 9, 2016 We assume that the villain does not have our suit and has a pair. Let's say top pair, higher than anything we have in hand so if we improve to one pair we don't win. I don't want to point out how many outs that is because it would make it too easy to guess. Would be cool if everyone could just throw in what they think off the top of their head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psrquack Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 I bet for the top pair. I think this is a real coinflip and getting something is much better to hoping for the outs(if we are not playing Omaha) . I only would choose the combo draw if I sit on the hot seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taft Posted November 9, 2016 Author Share Posted November 9, 2016 I just had an idea how to make this more interesting.Let's say version A. Opponent has top pair (so can theoretically still improve to two pair with us if his kicker is of the same rank as one of our cards)and version B. Opponent has an overpair Who is mathematically ahead in either case, us or the opponent? And just for the heck of it, why not, regadless of who you think is ahead, what would you rather have in that situation, because I must say poker is about feeling as much as it is about the maths sometimes. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelsBadMan Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Ummm this ain't a poll this is a math question , oppinion has nothing to do with it, with an openender and a fd you can have between 46% and 57% against a Top pair or overpair. 46% against an overpair that eats 2 of your straight outs and and 1 flush out49% if it only eats 2 of your straight outs and no flush outs, over 50% against everything else ,56% if he eats no outs from your straight +fd almost 57% if some situations where straigh flush outs can count, if you have the straight flus drawOverall oesd + fd does very well even wehn you know he has a big pair, obviously the opponent won't always have it, and in some cases they will have dominating draws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taft Posted November 9, 2016 Author Share Posted November 9, 2016 Uh, you just ruined my poll :D I was assuming he eats none of our straight or flush outs so obv the answer is obv, but it's the sort of question the answer to which seems to be non-intuitive to a lot of people, so thought it would be fun to see how people feel (or calculate it out in their heads).It started in my 3K challenge thread where Hascorel explained to me over and over again I have an inferior hand with the straightflushdraw and am thus bluffing, and he allegedly plays 100NL and 50zoom on stars, the latter of which I have to say I do not beat personally (without a hud though), so obviously it can be the sort of question people have OPINIONS about despite the pure maths of the thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hascorel Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 It started in my 3K challenge thread where Hascorel explained to me over and over again I have an inferior hand with the straightflushdraw PLese tell me where i told you that you have an inferior hand on the flop with your combo draw.....this is embarasing ..your thread is puplic so anyone can read last 2 pges an understand what i try to explain to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taft Posted November 9, 2016 Author Share Posted November 9, 2016 Where you defined semi-bluffing. Right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hascorel Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 And gl with your 3 k challenge .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hascorel Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 ok .....keep the good work.....my bad that i start this with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taft Posted November 9, 2016 Author Share Posted November 9, 2016 No hard feelings ? It's only poker, it's not the end of the world. I got the feeling you were getting impatient with me for not understanding your points of view and I felt you were not understanding mine at all, I don't have an issue with you personally, you are welcome back in my thread any time./offtopicAs far as the poll, then yeah, explained it with numbers on the previous page, so yup, end thread :d But I have to say, in these situations, I KNOW I'm about 54% to complete a straight or flush (2pair is more percentages on top of that) and then I just never ever seem to complete either draw still a lot of the time and it can make you feel like crap because a straightflushdraw is so pretty lol so I can understand where you might want to have the pair in that situation because it feels like something that's already in your hand, rather than something you're drawing to. Thanks for taking part, everyone who did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirahn Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 I look at the situation, take a sip of my cognac and coke, check if im wearing my lucky pants and then go all in if i am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelsBadMan Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Oh sorry @taft , yeah it would have been interesting too see more people what they think about this without doing the math to check, didn't even consider this ... When theres math it needs to be solved ... damn you Pavlov! Would have been cool if we had an option to make a poll type voring system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taft Posted November 10, 2016 Author Share Posted November 10, 2016 Haha, no need to apolpgize , I was only joking with the "ruined the thread" part. Would be cool indeed if we could create actual polls. Maybe this is something for the ideas section? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammerHead7 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 hummm this is a tough one.....is the dealer blonde or brunette? :p No diggity, I got to bag it up, bag it up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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