Tom Siddle Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Now everyone gunna lose to rake. you’re all in every 1 minute on average, on average you win all in every 2 minutes, so you losing 30*€1 = €30 instead of €12 everyone’s hourly is decimated. And the losing players who have been playing months/years who just enjoy this game will now just never win, 1% to 2.5% in this game makes that much difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbe-Unibet Posted December 13, 2022 Author Share Posted December 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, Tom Siddle said: Now everyone gunna lose to rake. you’re all in every 1 minute on average, on average you win all in every 2 minutes, so you losing 30*€1 = €30 instead of €12 everyone’s hourly is decimated. And the losing players who have been playing months/years who just enjoy this game will now just never win, 1% to 2.5% in this game makes that much difference. You can keep repeating the same - it won't make it anymore true than the first time you said it 🙂 See earlier replies... 1 Check the latest poker release notes. Have a look at our poker promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Siddle Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 It would still be 100% true even if I never said it at all. softer players joining doesn’t make any difference to my point, it they join, than these softer players will also be losing much more than they should be due to the rake. and the winning players who are beating up the softer players will still be getting raked too much. The game is way too fast, infinite €40 pots every hour, for it to be 2.5%. You will see after a few months the distribution of winners and losers, everyone will be getting screwed and a few players will be marginally winning. The promos we don’t care about we just wanna enjoy the game and try and not lose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fornicator99 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) My prediction is: - marginal winners will become losers for sure - average winners will remain pretty much the same. Smaller win rate but double the number of hands. - crushers will win even more because of bigger number of hands - recs will be recs😅 I'm sure I have at least two right. Edited December 13, 2022 by fornicator99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fornicator99 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Btw, what is really troubling me is the forced random nicknames, that will be a win rate killer for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livertool Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 I'm really not expert in these but couple of things that caught my eye: 35 minutes ago, Tom Siddle said: than these softer players will also be losing much more than they should be due to the rake. Personally i don't worry what else lose but what i win. 36 minutes ago, Tom Siddle said: for it to be 2.5%. You did see and understand the cap in there! 37 minutes ago, Tom Siddle said: everyone will be getting screwed Never play anything you feel being screwed 38 minutes ago, Tom Siddle said: The promos we don’t care about we just wanna enjoy the game and try and not lose Promos are something that you really should care about for maximise wins and minimize losses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siddhartha Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 As a frequent banzai player, I'm curious to see what the new version will bring. Stubbe, can you sign me up for test version? Any chance to add nl 10 in near future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbe-Unibet Posted December 13, 2022 Author Share Posted December 13, 2022 49 minutes ago, Tom Siddle said: It would still be 100% true even if I never said it at all. softer players joining doesn’t make any difference to my point, it they join, than these softer players will also be losing much more than they should be due to the rake. and the winning players who are beating up the softer players will still be getting raked too much. The game is way too fast, infinite €40 pots every hour, for it to be 2.5%. You will see after a few months the distribution of winners and losers, everyone will be getting screwed and a few players will be marginally winning. The promos we don’t care about we just wanna enjoy the game and try and not lose The game is supposed to be fast. As mentioned earlier, we've deliberately made it faster and better-suited for mobile sessions. As for your comment on data you have never seen, I can only refer to my previous comments on the matter. Again, we actually have this data, you don't. Several of your statements have nothing to do with reality. Saying you don't care about promotions and exposure of the game is just silly. Especially when you're ranting about rake and games being beatable. Then your point just becomes: when you charge more rake, more money is taken from players winnings. Correct 😄 Also just want to stress again that rake is still 50% of what it is elsewhere on similar games. I get that the default response to a rake increase is "aaah, it's terrible", but let's get past this initial emotion based reaction and look at the game as whole. 29 minutes ago, fornicator99 said: - marginal winners will become losers for sure - average winners will remain pretty much the same. Smaller win rate but double the number of hands. - crushers will win even more because of bigger number of hands - recs will be recs😅 Some are fair assumptions 🙂 Again, we have reviewed the data and impact on player level from the rake change alone. I know what this impact is for every player in the pool. What we don't know is the impact of new table cap, 5 rather than 6 handed, greater exposure of game in client, game added to casino brands, anonymous tables, built-in gamification features, new and more casual focused visuals and game mechanics, promotions targeting the game format and promotions including the game format. We can make qualified assumptions here but I can't say exactly what the impact will be. Just like you, I'm confident the game can definitely still be beat. Just now, Siddhartha said: As a frequent banzai player, I'm curious to see what the new version will bring. Stubbe, can you sign me up for test version? Any chance to add nl 10 in near future? Game should be available for a few hours tomorrow around 10-12CET, if all goes according to plan. Monday there is a sendout (email, onsite message, SMS) about the launch of the game and we'll have a mission where you need to reach the yellow belt, so unless something goes terribly wrong, the game will be live on at least browser and desktop by Monday. 1 Check the latest poker release notes. Have a look at our poker promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fornicator99 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Stubbe-Unibet said: Again, we have reviewed the data and impact on player level from the rake change alone. I know what this impact is for every player in the pool. What we don't know is the impact of new table cap, 5 rather than 6 handed, greater exposure of game in client, game added to casino brands, anonymous tables, built-in gamification features, new and more casual focused visuals and game mechanics, promotions targeting the game format and promotions including the game format. We can make qualified assumptions here but I can't say exactly what the impact will be. Just like you, I'm confident the game can definitely still be beat. Yup, there are a lot of unknowns in this new equation and that's why I don't really understand why some guys are so mad before actually giving it a chance. I'm not really playing that consistently but looking at my numbers and taking into account only new rake and table number, I should be slightly better on bad months and a lot better on good ones. But there are also other things to consider and I'll make some more assumptions : - table cap (+) because of more hands vs weak players - greater exposure of game in client (+) obviously - game added to casino brands (++) - anonymous tables (-) big minus here for stronger players. Not really because of recs, because you spot them easy soon enough, but because you can't spot weaker regs who don't change their name. Sometimes there is more money to be made from them than from recreationals - built-in gamification features (+) - new and more casual focused visuals and game mechanics(+) - promotions (++) - new table cap could make this game attractive to more regs from cash games (-) I see a lot more pluses than minuses let's hope I will not bite my tongue. Fingers crossed. Edited December 13, 2022 by fornicator99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbe-Unibet Posted December 13, 2022 Author Share Posted December 13, 2022 34 minutes ago, Siddhartha said: As a frequent banzai player, I'm curious to see what the new version will bring. Stubbe, can you sign me up for test version? Any chance to add nl 10 in near future? Forgot to reply to the NL10 one. Yes, if the game does well it's definitely a possibility that we'll be adding NL10. Also possible NL50 will become permanent with NL100 being available on Fridays. NL2 could be an option as well but let's see how the game does first 🙂 1 Check the latest poker release notes. Have a look at our poker promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Siddle Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 I will give it a chance, my favourite game so just wanna make sure I can keep playing it. I am very interested to see the distribution of winners and losers after a few months though, and how few people winning. Sorry for being very blunt, you won’t hear anything more negative from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbe-Unibet Posted December 13, 2022 Author Share Posted December 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, Stubbe-Unibet said: Forgot to reply to the NL10 one. Yes, if the game does well it's definitely a possibility that we'll be adding NL10. Also possible NL50 will become permanent with NL100 being available on Fridays. NL2 could be an option as well but let's see how the game does first 🙂 Agree with all of this 🙂 10 minutes ago, Tom Siddle said: I will give it a chance, my favourite game so just wanna make sure I can keep playing it. I am very interested to see the distribution of winners and losers after a few months though, and how few people winning. Sorry for being very blunt, you won’t hear anything more negative from me. Totally fair and also a natural reaction. The rake increase on its own of course doesn't sound great. Just keep in mind that we want these games to be good, just as much as you. If we end up with a game that can't be beat by more than a couple of players, it'll be detrimental to the game and our revenue from it. Banzai liquidity is quite fragile. We are of course also humans, and humans do make mistakes, so I'm not going to say it's 100% certain we've nailed this one and it'll all be perfect. However, I do believe the new banzai will make for a much nicer (not thinking about winnings here) experience for the casual player, especially the ones playing short sessions on mobile). And I also believe it'll still be attractive to the players being winning today (not equally to everyone and some will likely be worse off) Check the latest poker release notes. Have a look at our poker promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbe-Unibet Posted December 14, 2022 Author Share Posted December 14, 2022 Banzai will be live again in 5 minutes! Probably just for an hour, so you'll need to be fast 🙂 As mentioned earlier, game would be enabled again (all stakes) on Monday Check the latest poker release notes. Have a look at our poker promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miziel Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Web app works for me but windows app doesn't log in - white or black screen is all I get 😞 And where's "FINISH HIM!" conversational emote? 🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livertool Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 16 minutes ago, Stubbe-Unibet said: Banzai will be live again in 5 minutes! Probably just for an hour, so you'll need to be fast 🙂 As mentioned earlier, game would be enabled again (all stakes) on Monday Still the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbe-Unibet Posted December 14, 2022 Author Share Posted December 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Livertool said: Still the same As mentioned earlier, mobile apps require approval and thus not live yet (also why game will be hidden again shortly). Web and desktop apps work Check the latest poker release notes. Have a look at our poker promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livertool Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Ok, thought mobile was still up to test for this short while. Until monday then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbe-Unibet Posted December 14, 2022 Author Share Posted December 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, Livertool said: Ok, thought mobile was still up to test for this short while. Until monday then. You can just use mobile web client 😉 1 Check the latest poker release notes. Have a look at our poker promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fornicator99 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Played a little, two quick notes: - rebuy panel is too heavy on the eyes especially if you have to do it a lot as you do in Banzai. So either add autorebuy option or make it lighter and smaller. - the table started HU despite message saying "when two more players". It started when I opened another table so maybe the counter considers all payers not just players on the same table. Seems a bug to me, I'll try to reproduce. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbe-Unibet Posted December 14, 2022 Author Share Posted December 14, 2022 We will leave game live until 13:30 or so, to have some more time for testing and confirm everything is okay. Seems fine so far Check the latest poker release notes. Have a look at our poker promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livertool Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Stubbe-Unibet said: You can just use mobile web client 😉 Oh yeah, gotta try 😄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbe-Unibet Posted December 14, 2022 Author Share Posted December 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, fornicator99 said: Played a little, two quick notes: - rebuy panel is too heavy on the eyes especially if you have to do it a lot as you do in Banzai. So either add autorebuy option or make it lighter and smaller. - the table started HU despite message saying "when two more players". It started when I opened another table so maybe the counter considers all payers not just players on the same table. Seems a bug to me, I'll try to reproduce. Good feedback 👍 Regarding auto rebuy/topup; it's top of my list for regular cash games as well but will not be ready next couple of months Check the latest poker release notes. Have a look at our poker promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo_Boy Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 born to be 72o Sensei! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo_Boy Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Feedback: After i closed my tables, this thingie popped up, but i could not press it. It disapered 15seconds after. Maybe it means i missed 1 hand or something, not sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbe-Unibet Posted December 14, 2022 Author Share Posted December 14, 2022 Curious to hear what you think about the visuals, thunder, vs screen etc. 🙂 1 Check the latest poker release notes. Have a look at our poker promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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