New MTT Schedule Bug Hunt

[Andy-Relax]

1 hour ago, Purps said:

Also not a schedule bug, but since this thread is so active and kinda fitting...

 

It doesn't really make sense that you can't enter the tournament lobby from the lobby-button on the ticket view while registration has not yet started. Having to click yourself to the tournament schedule and then using the text search to even to get to know the starting day/time of the tournament is not very convenient...

I can't remember if that's the case with all the tickets, or is it like that with this tournament only, but I would assume it's a general thing...

@Stubbe-Unibet

[Stubbe-Unibet]

1 hour ago, Purps said:

Also not a schedule bug, but since this thread is so active and kinda fitting...

 

It doesn't really make sense that you can't enter the tournament lobby from the lobby-button on the ticket view while registration has not yet started. Having to click yourself to the tournament schedule and then using the text search to even to get to know the starting day/time of the tournament is not very convenient...

I can't remember if that's the case with all the tickets, or is it like that with this tournament only, but I would assume it's a general thing...

Known one. Not fixed yet as it's not the most used view + there're so few tournaments with registration closed before appearing in client 

[GotKot99]

On 10/20/2022 at 10:43 AM, Andy-Unibet said:

Bug hunt for old tournaments begins Oct 25th

Maybe I am justified by 👆, or simply hopeless. Bear with me. 

(1) Qualifier to €250 Unibet Live 3 TIX (6m levels) does not appear when using Turbo filter. Also missing the “T” in the lobby. (Unlike its 5 TIX variant.) 👇

(2) Level 3 Supermoon Freeroll (3m levels) does not appear when using Hyper-Turbo filter. Also missing the “H” in the lobby. 👇

 

 

[100HourChallenge]

On 10/24/2022 at 12:50 PM, Andy-Unibet said:

I would consider Elrons tournaments promotional and not part of the regular schedule but I admire your dedication to finding things that are not right so you can have a couple €5 for your troubles.

Elrons tournaments will stay but probably not as they exist today. I need to have a talk with him after things calm down and see how we can refresh and improve what we do with him.

Yeah! Elron got to stay 😉 

[GotKot99]

On 10/20/2022 at 10:43 AM, Andy-Unibet said:

* Rake for the Supermoon/Unibet Live tree will be updated during next week so the bug hunt for them starts on October 31st.

I sincerely hope I’m not wasting your time with this post Andy, but since there is no mention of the Supernova tree update (I don’t know if it is included with Supermoon 🤦‍♂️) I thought I write this for you to check if everything is correct. I’ll also ask something concerning the Wild Wednesday MTTs later on, but first to Supernova.

(1) So, there are new Major qualifiers that are both Turbo and Shortstack (see below Cage and Slobberknocker examples) and they are raked according to Shortstack rather than Turbo. Conversely €100 Supernova Rebuy 4 TIX is likewise Turbo and SS but raked according to Turbo rather than SS. Is this OK? (Only reason for the difference I can think of is the 3000 chip add-on in Supernova…)

 

(2) What constitutes a variable level MTT (and yet a Turbo or Hyper status/label)?

On 10/20/2022 at 10:43 AM, Andy-Unibet said:

Filter issues - Tournaments not appearing in the correct filters. For the time ones 0-4min = Hyper, 5-6min = Turbo, 7-9min = Normal, 10+min = Slow. Variable level time MTT (Like the Banzai ones and qualifiers) are excluded.

As seen above, some (if not all) of the new Major qualifiers are variable level MTTs (if enough players). Yet the ones above (Cage and Slobberknocker qualifiers) are labelled as Turbo and filtered accordingly. Below there is a Hyperqualifier example of the same. Contrary to this, both the €150 & €300 Wild Wednesday tournaments have no Hyper label or filter 👇. Is the defining difference, that Wild Wednesday’s have two longer levels instead of one? Or am I missing something?

Just trying to understand here (and maybe correct something, if there is something to correct). Thanks for the patience! 🙂

[comanimal]

Should be hyper qualifier to €7,500 Slobberknocker (not the Hundred)

[Andy-Relax]

On 10/25/2022 at 2:39 PM, GotKot99 said:

Maybe I am justified by 👆, or simply hopeless. Bear with me. 

(1) Qualifier to €250 Unibet Live 3 TIX (6m levels) does not appear when using Turbo filter. Also missing the “T” in the lobby. (Unlike its 5 TIX variant.) 👇

(2) Level 3 Supermoon Freeroll (3m levels) does not appear when using Hyper-Turbo filter. Also missing the “H” in the lobby. 👇

 

 

2x €5

[Andy-Relax]

12 hours ago, GotKot99 said:

I sincerely hope I’m not wasting your time with this post Andy, but since there is no mention of the Supernova tree update (I don’t know if it is included with Supermoon 🤦‍♂️) I thought I write this for you to check if everything is correct. I’ll also ask something concerning the Wild Wednesday MTTs later on, but first to Supernova.

(1) So, there are new Major qualifiers that are both Turbo and Shortstack (see below Cage and Slobberknocker examples) and they are raked according to Shortstack rather than Turbo. Conversely €100 Supernova Rebuy 4 TIX is likewise Turbo and SS but raked according to Turbo rather than SS. Is this OK? (Only reason for the difference I can think of is the 3000 chip add-on in Supernova…)

 

(2) What constitutes a variable level MTT (and yet a Turbo or Hyper status/label)?

As seen above, some (if not all) of the new Major qualifiers are variable level MTTs (if enough players). Yet the ones above (Cage and Slobberknocker qualifiers) are labelled as Turbo and filtered accordingly. Below there is a Hyperqualifier example of the same. Contrary to this, both the €150 & €300 Wild Wednesday tournaments have no Hyper label or filter 👇. Is the defining difference, that Wild Wednesday’s have two longer levels instead of one? Or am I missing something?

Just trying to understand here (and maybe correct something, if there is something to correct). Thanks for the patience! 🙂

1) I haven't had a chance to get around to sorting the Supernova qualifiers. Going purely by the rake table, there is no rake level for a short stack turbo or hyper non PKO tournament but I felt that raking them as if they were all hypers was the most fair thing to do because they start with 50bb or less. I also just want more money in the prizepools to generate more tickets.

The Supernova qualifiers need to merge with the majors as the €100 tickets will work on any major now so there is some updating to be done but I've been caught up with some non-MTT stuff and some early edits to the new schedule. I'm also playing the MPF this afternoon so it's taking a little time out the work week too but I'll get everything sorted.

2) A variable level time (VLT) would be a tournament that has more than one level time in it. The Nova and Moon would be VLT, all the new qualifiers are VTL etc. For the VTL ones I used the most dominant level time to define the tagging so even though there are 10/4 and 10/3 qualifiers, they're basically hypers with a single slow first level. Even though a 10/4 qualifier would have a average level time of over 4 mins and would put it in the turbo speed bracket, it doesn't really make sense when you look at the tournament as a whole. Same idea with the slower 10/6 qualifiers as well.

I forgot/missed the Wild Wednesday tournaments because in general I forget the MTT daily specials exist at all 🙂. Will get them updated for next week to match the other tournaments.

[Andy-Relax]

8 hours ago, comanimal said:

Should be hyper qualifier to €7,500 Slobberknocker (not the Hundred)

€5

[DonkeyHunter]

Hi!

I found some Inconsistencies in naming of filler tournaments. There are more examples, however I will provide one example for each type of inconsistency. Let me know if I made any mistakes.

 

Based on scanning through a couple tournament lobbies it seems all tournaments have the same structure (they include all the same blind levels) and that the only difference are the number of starting chips and blind level duration. So, all good here.

 

First, what does the "Classic" label mean? What is the difference between Classic, Deepstack and Megastack? The key words refer to the number of starting chips, right?

Classic means 3000, Deepstack 6000 and Megastack 9000. Makes sense, except there are inconsistencies to this rule. Let's compare two tournaments.

“17:15 €1 Freezeout PKO” has 3000 starting chips.

“14:40 €5 Deepstack Freezeout” has 6000 starting chips.

The “Classic” is missing from the first tournament. If the goal is to be consistent with naming it would make sense to rename

"17:15 €1 Freezeout PKO" to "17:15 €1 Classic Freezeout PKO"

 

The second inconsistency is the order of "key words" in naming of some tournaments. Again, I will compare three tournaments to show you what i mean.

18.45 €5 Turbo Classic,

03:05 €10 Deepstack Turbo PKO

12.40 €10 Megastack Turbo

When a Turbo is a "Classic", Turbo comes first. On the other hand, when it's a Deepstack or Megastack, Turbo comes second. This is not consistent. The simple solution would be to rename to 18.45 €5 Classic Turbo.

 

To keep things consistent, I think it would make sense for all filler tournaments to follow some general naming rule. Here is what I could come up with:

1. First, start with the guarantee.

2. What is the number of starting chips? Add "Classic", "Deepstack" or "Megastack".

3. If Omaha add "Omaha", else (NLHE) add nothing.

4. Level up speed? Add nothing, "Turbo" or "Hyper"

5. If Freezeout add "Freezeout"

6. If PKO add "PKO"

7. If R/A add "R/A"

 

Third, I would suggest also to consider additional chances to the formatting. Here are a few examples (Yes, I know the second option is common on other sites).

a) 03:05 €10 Deepstack Turbo PKO

or

b) 03:05 €10 Deepstack [Turbo, PKO]

or

c) 03:05 €10 Deepstack |Turbo, PKO|

or

d) 03:05 €10 Deepstack (Turbo, PKO)

 

I have some additional feedback as well, but I will probably make a separate post in the feedback thread at some point. Hopefully this was helpful.

[GotKot99]

Apparently I have nothing more important to do, so here we go again. These may be tournaments of lesser significance, but while I’m at it 🙈:

(1) €500 Welcome Special needs to be Turbo - missing “T” in the lobby and not appearing under Turbo-filter. (I’m not sure if the MTT is considered promotional, regular or what…)

 

(2) €45 Riskitforabiscuit’s… needs to be a Hyper - missing “H” from the lobby and not appearing under Hyper-turbo filter. (I guess this is considered as “promotional” like Elron’s tournaments…)

 

(3) 3 x 1,359 Unibet Live UDSO… should probably be labelled as Slow and filtered accordingly since it has 10m levels. Not absolutely certain if 10m should be Slow or only >10m 👇, but since every other MTT with 10m levels are labelled as Slow, I take it, it should be Slow:

On 10/20/2022 at 10:43 AM, Andy-Unibet said:

10+min = Slow

 

[tinkeri]

Not sure if planned or not but those 5€ flips are sus. Huge overlay because there is not 5€ uo live tickets. And you can't find those tournaments under "unibet open" filter. 

[GotKot99]

Inspired by @tinkeri’s post above, the UO Deepstack tournament qualifier is shown only through Unibet Open filter but not through Live event filter. Of course, the qualifier itself is not a live event, but following the pattern/logic how other UO tree events are labelled (i.e., leading to live event), I guess, it should be under “Live event”. Alternatively, every non-live Unibet Open qualifier etc. should be removed under Live event filter.

Secondly, not a bug, but gonna mention it still (since the thread is active): Would “Seats” be a better term or rendering than “Players”; the term “Seats” is used in tournament lobbies? (I’m not sure if it matters, if the schedule view has “players” and the lobby view “seats” since it should be quite obvious what these both mean…) 👇

 

 

[GotKot99]

I sincerely hope I’m not developing into a nuisance or overstepping here (Andy, just say “zip it already!” if that’s the case and I stop) 🤦‍♂️. 

I was actually looking when the next €250 Supermoon qualifiers will be and inadvertently made one observation concerning the names of the qualifiers in general. And since there are some updates coming 👇, I thought this might be a good time and place to say something.

On 10/20/2022 at 10:43 AM, Andy-Unibet said:

* Rake for the Supermoon/Unibet Live tree will be updated during next week so the bug hunt for them starts on October 31st.

So, what I realised (hopefully right) was that in the new schedule there are lots of different Hyperqualifies. But there are also qualifiers that are paced as Hyper (and under the Hyper-turbo filter) that are not titled as Hyperqualifiers, rather simply as Qualifiers (see screenshots below). 

My question or suggestion is the following: If the only quality sufficient for having the title Hyperqualifier is the Hyper-pacing of the tournament (0-4m levels), shouldn’t all the hyper-paced qualifiers be called Hyperqualifiers? For what I can tell, there seem to be nothing else extraordinary about the Hyperqualifiers vs. Qualifiers (i.e., in terms of value etc.). The examples that caught my eye this time were Supernova, Supermoon, and Unibet Live qualifiers. All of them are hyper-paced qualifiers but only €10 Supernova 2 TIX qualifiers have the “Hyperqualifier” name. And for the buyin, it seems the prizes are similar (€0.40 buy-in -> €2 ticket; €2 buy-in -> €10 ticket, so both have x5 the buy-in prizes).

If there are qualifiers that have some special value in them they could be called Megaqualifiers like the new schedule is calling some of the new Major qualifiers - the term “Mega” signififying something special. (Do I remember correctly that in the old schedule there were some Superqualifiers - same idea there?)

[Andy-Relax]

19 hours ago, DonkeyHunter said:

Hi!

 

I found some Inconsistencies in naming of filler tournaments. There are more examples, however I will provide one example for each type of inconsistency. Let me know if I made any mistakes.

 

 

Based on scanning through a couple tournament lobbies it seems all tournaments have the same structure (they include all the same blind levels) and that the only difference are the number of starting chips and blind level duration. So, all good here.

 

 

 

First, what does the "Classic" label mean? What is the difference between Classic, Deepstack and Megastack? The key words refer to the number of starting chips, right?

 

Classic means 3000, Deepstack 6000 and Megastack 9000. Makes sense, except there are inconsistencies to this rule. Let's compare two tournaments.

 

“17:15 €1 Freezeout PKO” has 3000 starting chips.

 

“14:40 €5 Deepstack Freezeout” has 6000 starting chips.

 

The “Classic” is missing from the first tournament. If the goal is to be consistent with naming it would make sense to rename

 

"17:15 €1 Freezeout PKO" to "17:15 €1 Classic Freezeout PKO"

 

 

 

The second inconsistency is the order of "key words" in naming of some tournaments. Again, I will compare three tournaments to show you what i mean.

 

18.45 €5 Turbo Classic,

 

03:05 €10 Deepstack Turbo PKO

 

12.40 €10 Megastack Turbo

 

When a Turbo is a "Classic", Turbo comes first. On the other hand, when it's a Deepstack or Megastack, Turbo comes second. This is not consistent. The simple solution would be to rename to 18.45 €5 Classic Turbo.

 

 

 

To keep things consistent, I think it would make sense for all filler tournaments to follow some general naming rule. Here is what I could come up with:

 

1. First, start with the guarantee.

    

2. What is the number of starting chips? Add "Classic", "Deepstack" or "Megastack".

    

3. If Omaha add "Omaha", else (NLHE) add nothing.

    

4. Level up speed? Add nothing, "Turbo" or "Hyper"

    

5. If Freezeout add "Freezeout"

    

6. If PKO add "PKO"

    

7. If R/A add "R/A"

    

 

 

Third, I would suggest also to consider additional chances to the formatting. Here are a few examples (Yes, I know the second option is common on other sites).

 

a) 03:05 €10 Deepstack Turbo PKO

 

or

 

b) 03:05 €10 Deepstack [Turbo, PKO]

 

or

 

c) 03:05 €10 Deepstack |Turbo, PKO|

 

or

 

d) 03:05 €10 Deepstack (Turbo, PKO)

 

 

 

I have some additional feedback as well, but I will probably make a separate post in the feedback thread at some point. Hopefully this was helpful.

 

A "Classic" is defined as a 3k (100bb) starting stack, reg speed (7-9min), re-entry NLHE tournament. I then tried to use the following naming conventions for anything that deviated from that. 

[speed] [stack size] [entry type] [name] [bounty] [Omaha] [shortstack size]
 

It ended up that entry type and name merged because re-entries became classi#cs, R/A is R/A and Freezeout is Freezeout so it's really just the other variables that dictate the name.

I quickly realised that calling every RE tournament a "Classic" of some sort was a bit pointless and created very long names. You could have a Turbo Megastack Classic PKO and things like that so it made sense to just remove classic from the name when enough of the original variables were changed. 

I'll be honest, I don't know if it's 100% consistent as it was a bit of a rush getting the fillers in before launch but I think it's pretty close that if 2 or more variables are changed then classic is removed and at least with the examples you gave that is correct. Just having a quick look at the lobby, there are definitely some inconsistencies between speed and stack size coming first in the naming and a few classics with two variables changed that need updated. 

The main thing is it's easy to tell what kind of tournament you're entering without looking in the specific lobby. 

 

[Andy-Relax]

19 hours ago, tinkeri said:

Not sure if planned or not but those 5€ flips are sus. Huge overlay because there is not 5€ uo live tickets. And you can't find those tournaments under "unibet open" filter. 

Old tournament from before I started looking after the schedule. I assume they're like that to make sure there are enough tickets to start the €50 -> €250 at 18:30 on Sundays. I've fixed the tags on them.

[Andy-Relax]

18 hours ago, GotKot99 said:

Inspired by @tinkeri’s post above, the UO Deepstack tournament qualifier is shown only through Unibet Open filter but not through Live event filter. Of course, the qualifier itself is not a live event, but following the pattern/logic how other UO tree events are labelled (i.e., leading to live event), I guess, it should be under “Live event”. Alternatively, every non-live Unibet Open qualifier etc. should be removed under Live event filter.

Secondly, not a bug, but gonna mention it still (since the thread is active): Would “Seats” be a better term or rendering than “Players”; the term “Seats” is used in tournament lobbies? (I’m not sure if it matters, if the schedule view has “players” and the lobby view “seats” since it should be quite obvious what these both mean…) 👇

 

 

There are an annoying number of tags in the back office 🙂. I've tagged it now for live event. We're probably need to look at this internally going forward so we're consistent. There will be some events that use the Unibet Live tree and some that don't and there are also Unibet Open events so probably need to clean that up.

@Stubbe-Unibet can sort the seats vs player issue as that's client rather than scheduling. I think it makes sense to be consistent with wording and seats is better. While we're at it, it says "Players" in the Players tab which really doesn't make much sense. Should be "Alias" or something. 

[Andy-Relax]

10 hours ago, GotKot99 said:

I sincerely hope I’m not developing into a nuisance or overstepping here (Andy, just say “zip it already!” if that’s the case and I stop) 🤦‍♂️. 

I was actually looking when the next €250 Supermoon qualifiers will be and inadvertently made one observation concerning the names of the qualifiers in general. And since there are some updates coming 👇, I thought this might be a good time and place to say something.

So, what I realised (hopefully right) was that in the new schedule there are lots of different Hyperqualifies. But there are also qualifiers that are paced as Hyper (and under the Hyper-turbo filter) that are not titled as Hyperqualifiers, rather simply as Qualifiers (see screenshots below). 

My question or suggestion is the following: If the only quality sufficient for having the title Hyperqualifier is the Hyper-pacing of the tournament (0-4m levels), shouldn’t all the hyper-paced qualifiers be called Hyperqualifiers? For what I can tell, there seem to be nothing else extraordinary about the Hyperqualifiers vs. Qualifiers (i.e., in terms of value etc.). The examples that caught my eye this time were Supernova, Supermoon, and Unibet Live qualifiers. All of them are hyper-paced qualifiers but only €10 Supernova 2 TIX qualifiers have the “Hyperqualifier” name. And for the buyin, it seems the prizes are similar (€0.40 buy-in -> €2 ticket; €2 buy-in -> €10 ticket, so both have x5 the buy-in prizes).

If there are qualifiers that have some special value in them they could be called Megaqualifiers like the new schedule is calling some of the new Major qualifiers - the term “Mega” signififying something special. (Do I remember correctly that in the old schedule there were some Superqualifiers - same idea there?)

There is some naming inconsistency between qualifiers from before the new schedule and the new one.

For the Major qualifiers

A "Hyper" qualifier is named because of the speed of the levels and the reduced starting stack of 900 chips. Buy-in and ratio of buy-ins to tickets is not relevant. They're named differently to ensure players know they're going to be very fast and have smaller starting stacks compared to the slower qualifiers.

A "Deadline" qualifier is named because it's even faster then the hypers with only 600 chips and will be around or just after the start time of the target tournament.

A "Mega" qualifier is named because of the number of tickets GTD. Starting stack and speed will vary on these as we still need to get them finished before the target tournament starts. 

For the Supermoon qualifiers

These have always had level times that increase as you go through the buy-ins. This "should" be consistent so that all supermoon qualifiers of the same buy-in level are at the same speed as that was originally how they were designed but I didn't implement the templates so they'll need to be checked. I think adding "hyper" or "turbo" to these is a bit redundant when they're all the same.

For the Unibet Live qualifiers

I honestly have no idea who they're working just now 🙂. A lot of them were in the client before I even joined the company and have sat untouched for years. I -think- went through them and at least made sure the level times were consistent between buy-in levels but not 100% sure. I think moving to a similar structure as with the Supermoon where they slow down as the buy-ins get bigger will probably work for these as well so that we don't need to add the speed variable to the name unless we add something extra that deviates from the normal structure.

The €2 Hyperqualifiers to the Supernova will become generic major qualifiers and will disappear/match the major naming convention above.

Hope that clears everything up 🙂

 

[comanimal]

€600 classic PKO with €700 GTD

[comanimal]

"Deadline" qualifier to Slobberknocker scheduled for today 🤔

[Andy-Relax]

23 minutes ago, comanimal said:

€600 classic PKO with €700 GTD

 

2 minutes ago, comanimal said:

"Deadline" qualifier to Slobberknocker scheduled for today 🤔

€10

[GotKot99]

Firstly, thank you Andy for the clarifying and nuanced answers/feedback to my previous posts! 🙂

Today’s Title Fight Deadline qualifier beginning 45 min before the tournament itself (see screenshots’ red boxes), while other Major Deadline qualifiers starting at the same time as the tournaments (for examples, see green boxes). Will the Title Fight Deadline qualifier fit the timeframe you outlined earlier for Deadline qualifiers 👇, or is it misplaced/named erroneously? Furthermore, the starting stack is 900 chips (see last screenshot) instead of 600; other Deadline qualifiers have 600 starting stack 🤔.

2 hours ago, Andy-Unibet said:

A "Deadline" qualifier is named because it's even faster then the hypers with only 600 chips and will be around or just after the start time of the target tournament.

[Andy-Relax]

19 minutes ago, GotKot99 said:

Firstly, thank you Andy for the clarifying and nuanced answers/feedback to my previous posts! 🙂

Today’s Title Fight Deadline qualifier beginning 45 min before the tournament itself (see screenshots’ red boxes), while other Major Deadline qualifiers starting at the same time as the tournaments (for examples, see green boxes). Will the Title Fight Deadline qualifier fit the timeframe you outlined earlier for Deadline qualifiers 👇, or is it misplaced/named erroneously? Furthermore, the starting stack is 900 chips (see last screenshot) instead of 600; other Deadline qualifiers have 600 starting stack 🤔.

The Title Fight deadline (and any other deadline to a PKO major) will start earlier because we don't want players winning tickets to PKO's at a point in the target tournament where a good portion of the prize pool is already gone. The later you register in a PKO the smaller the potential prizepool is (as some will have gone in bounties) so we don't want to send players into them too late.

Customers are obviously free to choose when they register but a lot of the changes we made in the schedule were to protect players and this is one of them. It's also why R/As are capped at 5 RE and limited to lower buy-ins, why late reg is capped at 20bb for most tournaments rake reflects level speed to ensure the games are beatable.

The starting stack is wrong though, €5

[DonkeyHunter]

4 hours ago, Andy-Unibet said:

A "Classic" is defined as a 3k (100bb) starting stack, reg speed (7-9min), re-entry NLHE tournament. I then tried to use the following naming conventions for anything that deviated from that. 

[speed] [stack size] [entry type] [name] [bounty] [Omaha] [shortstack size]
 

It ended up that entry type and name merged because re-entries became classi#cs, R/A is R/A and Freezeout is Freezeout so it's really just the other variables that dictate the name.

I quickly realised that calling every RE tournament a "Classic" of some sort was a bit pointless and created very long names. You could have a Turbo Megastack Classic PKO and things like that so it made sense to just remove classic from the name when enough of the original variables were changed. 

I'll be honest, I don't know if it's 100% consistent as it was a bit of a rush getting the fillers in before launch but I think it's pretty close that if 2 or more variables are changed then classic is removed and at least with the examples you gave that is correct. Just having a quick look at the lobby, there are definitely some inconsistencies between speed and stack size coming first in the naming and a few classics with two variables changed that need updated. 

The main thing is it's easy to tell what kind of tournament you're entering without looking in the specific lobby. 

 

There are non-major tournaments with 3k starting chips without the Classic naming.

• 13.15 €0.50 Turbo Freezeout

• 17:15 €1 Freezeout PKO

• 20:30 €5 Turbo Freezeout PKO

• 23.30 €25 Turbo PKO

There are freezeout tournaments both with and without the Classic naming.

• 10:15 €1 Classic Freezeout

• 17:15 €1 Freezeout PKO

• 20:30 €5 Turbo Freezeout PKO

• 02:05 €5 Classic Freezeout

There are tournaments with Classic naming that are non reg-speed.

• 15:05 €2 Turbo Classic

• 18.45 €5 Turbo Classic

• 20:45 €1 Turbo Classic

• 01:30 €10 Turbo Classic

• + all other "Turbo Classic".

In other words, "Classic" tells me two things

1. It's NLHE

2. It's not a Deepstack or Megastack.

Yes, I understand the point about avoiding very long names, but I would rather have longer names than having to check every specific lobby. It is mostly players that dont play tournaments on a regular basis i have in mind here. Regulars will get used to the schedule and it doesnt as much.

 

Please reconsider the meaning of classic. Here are two suggestions.

1. The first thought that came to my mind when I saw the new schedule is that "Classic" must be some kind of "Vanilla" reg-speed freezeout tournament. Make Classic a "brand" within the non-major schedule, like the old "Singularity". Every Classic has 3k starting chips, is reg-speed, is re-enter and can be 6- or 9-max. With no exceptions to this rule. That way everyone knows what they get when they enter a "Classic".

The question is then, what to do with the remaining tournaments?

Introduce the label "HoldEm" and simply follow your naming rule

[speed] [stack size] [entry type] [name] [bounty] [Omaha] [short stack size]

which can be simplified to

[name] [stack size] [speed] [entry type] [bounty]

where [name] is "HoldEm", "Banzai" or "Omaha".

where [stack size] is "DeepStacks", "Megastack" or "10bb".

where [entry type] is "freezeout" or "R/A". re-entry is the default.

A few examples:

• €5 HoldEm Deepstacks Turbo Freezeout PKO

• €5 HoleEm Freezeout

• €5 Omaha Deepstacks

• €5 Banzai 10BB

If the goal is to keep names short, you could argue that [speed] [entry type] [bounty] are unnecessary because all that information is already available in the info column, and therefore the naming rule could be simplified even further. But that’s not really a big deal in my opinion.

OR

2. Have "Classic" mean 3k starting chips, which is the simple solution. That way, what you do is make sure all tournaments follow the naming rule.

[Andy-Relax]

17 minutes ago, DonkeyHunter said:

 

There are non-major tournaments with 3k starting chips without the Classic naming.

 

• 13.15 €0.50 Turbo Freezeout

   

• 17:15 €1 Freezeout PKO

   

• 20:30 €5 Turbo Freezeout PKO

   

• 23.30 €25 Turbo PKO

There are freezeout tournaments both with and without the Classic naming.

 

• 10:15 €1 Classic Freezeout

   

• 17:15 €1 Freezeout PKO

   

• 20:30 €5 Turbo Freezeout PKO

   

• 02:05 €5 Classic Freezeout

There are tournaments with Classic naming that are non reg-speed.

 

• 15:05 €2 Turbo Classic

   

• 18.45 €5 Turbo Classic

   

• 20:45 €1 Turbo Classic

   

• 01:30 €10 Turbo Classic

   

• + all other "Turbo Classic".

In other words, "Classic" tells me two things

 

1. It's NLHE

    

2. It's not a Deepstack or Megastack.

Yes, I understand the point about avoiding very long names, but I would rather have longer names than having to check every specific lobby. It is mostly players that dont play tournaments on a regular basis i have in mind here. Regulars will get used to the schedule and it doesnt as much.

 

 

 

Please reconsider the meaning of classic. Here are two suggestions.

 

1. The first thought that came to my mind when I saw the new schedule is that "Classic" must be some kind of "Vanilla" reg-speed freezeout tournament. Make Classic a "brand" within the non-major schedule, like the old "Singularity". Every Classic has 3k starting chips, is reg-speed, is re-enter and can be 6- or 9-max. With no exceptions to this rule. That way everyone knows what they get when they enter a "Classic".

 

The question is then, what to do with the remaining tournaments?

Introduce the label "HoldEm" and simply follow your naming rule

 

 

[speed] [stack size] [entry type] [name] [bounty] [Omaha] [short stack size]

 

which can be simplified to

 

[name] [stack size] [speed] [entry type] [bounty]

 

where [name] is "HoldEm", "Banzai" or "Omaha".

 

where [stack size] is "DeepStacks", "Megastack" or "10bb".

 

where [entry type] is "freezeout" or "R/A". re-entry is the default.

 

A few examples:

 

• €5 HoldEm Deepstacks Turbo Freezeout PKO

   

• €5 HoleEm Freezeout

   

• €5 Omaha Deepstacks

   

• €5 Banzai 10BB

   

If the goal is to keep names short, you could argue that [speed] [entry type] [bounty] are unnecessary because all that information is already available in the info column, and therefore the naming rule could be simplified even further. But that’s not really a big deal in my opinion.

 

OR

 

2. Have "Classic" mean 3k starting chips, which is the simple solution. That way, what you do is make sure all tournaments follow the naming rule.

 

I think you're overcomplicating things and/or didn't read my post correctly.

Classic tells you 4 things, not 2

• Hold'em
• Re-entry
• 3k Starting Stack
• 7-9 min levels

This is the default for all non-qualifier tournaments in the schedule and then deviations are made and the name is altered

Like I said previously, if two or more variables change, classic is removed (unless I've misnamed some) and if only one variable changes classic remains, so all the first examples you gave are correct.

• 13.15 €0.50 Turbo Freezeout - 2 variables, speed and entry format changed
• 17:15 €1 Freezeout PKO - 2 variables, entry format and addition of bounties
• 20:30 €5 Turbo Freezeout PKO - 3 variables, speed and entry format changed and addition of bounties
• 23.30 €25 Turbo PKO - 2 variables, speed and addition of bounties
• 10:15 €1 Classic Freezeout - Only one variable changed, entry format
• 17:15 €1 Freezeout PKO - 2 variables, entry format and addition of bounties
• 20:30 €5 Turbo Freezeout PKO - 3 variables, speed and entry format changed and addition of bounties
• 02:05 €5 Classic Freezeout - Only one variable changed, entry format

 

• 15:05 €2 Turbo Classic
• 18.45 €5 Turbo Classic
• 01:30 €10 Turbo Classic
• + all other "Turbo Classic" - Only one variable changed, speed

 

If there is a stack size change, mega (9000, 300bb) or deep (6000, 200bb) is added. If it's not in the name, it's 3k. You don't have to check the lobby.

If there is a speed change, turbo or hyper is added. If it's not in the name, it'll be 7-9 mins. Still need to check the dropdown for exact level time but that's the same for turbo and hyper.

If there is a entry type change, freezeout or R/A is added, If' it's not in the name, it's re-entry. Don't need to check the lobby

If bounties are added, PKO is added. Don't need to check the lobby

If it's PLO, omaha is added. Don't need to check the lobby.

 

No need to add Hold'em to tournament names because all tournaments starts as Classics, and they're all Hold'em so the only time that will change is when it's PLO and Omaha goes into the name.